I completely missed that one. I ignore the OTD forum for one week and I poke my head back in and everyone's walking around looking shamefaced and embarrassed like they've just gone on a bender and woken up in their best friend's underwear.
Hey! I, of all people on here, resemble that remark. And what are you doing in my underwear?! :P
Anyway, Pat pretty much hit the nail on the head. I definitely don't take offense to Jenny's profession or presentation. Heck, as far as I'm concerned, it's a change of atmosphere and sometimes we need to be shaken out of our predictable reveries (myself included). I do understand from a parent's point of view to monitor what their children may or may not come across on the Internet (and even here on Paizo). You're probably in this category as you have children that are patrons here.
I'm one of several that sent Jenny a quick note via FB about the timestamping personalization that Pat as suggested and even provided my own example of what I did back in November. I hope, for the sake of the community, Jenny will oblige us the courtesy so we can kill this discussion once and for all and embrace her into our crazy little community that's only growing day by day. :D
I would suggest that this thead be locked as it has clearly strayed into he said/she said therritory that will just lead to lot of in-fighting and bad feelings.I'm not leaving until I see a witch's teat!
Or two, or even more! :P
Hit us with your breast shot! ~grins and runs for my life~
I, for one, applaud the breath of fresh ass that Jenny brings to the table. ~follows Sharoth~
I think this thread raises some serious questions.
I know that Paizo's message boards don't have a "rating" or "age-appropriate" categories.
But I do think this is something the company should think about.
Not because the material is pornographic, but because "she" is cruising a site where a lot of young people traffic.
"Jenny" may be exactly what she says she is.
But trolling sites looking for contacts with young people, using a distinctly sexual come-on, is something that should raise red flags.
In at least one place "she" asks for a means to communicate privately with posters.
If I were the folks at Paizo, I'd think about this carefully. Again, this "persona" could be entirely innocent.
But the next sexualized avatar cruising this list might be deliberately predatory.
On a more personal level, the entire "Jenny" persona strikes me as creepy.
One of my biggest raves about 3.0 (and subsequent iterations of the game) was the effort to tone down the overt "barbarian in a bikini" sexism.
(Of all the forms of sexism, this may be the most wearily sad.)
The fantasy genre as a whole outgrew that adolescent tripe about a generation ago.
Paizo's close affiliation with authors like China Mieville suggests that the company "gets" it.
I'll be blunt: That so many people here have been interested in this giggle-nudge stuff is depressing.
--Marsh
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As far as I'm concerned, I've seen nothing objectionable in this thread--including the deleted links.
Concerning kids who might be surfing Paizo and see some T&A or read some racy dialogue? If my kids are old enough to surf and post at Paizo, I'm pretty sure they've already seen worse than a caged, nude Tinker Bell.
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As far as I'm concerned, I've seen nothing objectionable in this thread--including the deleted links.
Concerning kids who might be surfing Paizo and see some T&A or read some racy dialogue? If my kids are old enough to surf and post at Paizo, I'm pretty sure they've already seen worse than a caged, nude Tinker Bell.
I agree. And I think Mr. Sutter was more than clear in what he said. Thinly veiled violations of accusations are STILL accusations.
Maybe we can start to be more welcoming to our newest community member instead of postulating that she is here to corrupt all our innocence and virtue.
This is what I don't understand about America. In other countries, sex and nudity are not reviled, but extreme violence is regarded as in bad taste. In America, the opposite is true. Television can show dead bodies, the aftermath of war and natural disasters, and so forth; but everyone gets their panties in a wad when Janet Jackson shows a bare breast.
If you think the Jenny's intentions are less than honest; your message has been received. The Paizo folks DO believe her intentions ARE honest, and it is their board. So move along, nothing to see here....
Welcome to the boards Jenny.
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Threads like this really depress me.
I dated a girl once, who actually looked a lot like Jenny. She was sexually liberated to the point of almost being my own personal, practically portable @ 5'1", nymphomaniac. She took racy pictures of herself (and even sometimes put them up on the internet), drew sexually explicit art, and had a membership card to the local adult-content store.
She also spent every night honing her skills in Super Smash Brothers (N64 Edition), collected 8 and 16bit gaming memorabilia, played a druid in 3rd edition D&D and had character sheets going back to 1st, collected and played Orks and Tyrannids in 3rd and 4th Edition Warhammer 40K, and nursed a six year long addiction to Ultima Online as a Grandmaster Tamer.
That was 6 years ago.
I just can't help but be saddened that when someone like her, as could be the case with Jenny, shows up in a community, looking to be accepted as a equal participant in said community, automatically by default gets faced with accusations of ulterior motives and 'prove you are real' insinuations. I thought we, as a community, were looking for more gamers, not less.
So what if a hot, sexually liberated, female suddenly decides to become a roleplayer? So what if she has a web-site with content that you object to? This is the internet for God sake ...
Can't we all just be role-players, here, first? Porn-stars, Glamour models, IT guys, Cops, Editors, or whatever second.
Jenny, I just want to say, that even with the critics and the nay-sayers, you've responded in good spirit and humor, and that's awesome to see.
Welcome aboard.
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Threads like this really depress me.
I dated a girl once, who actually looked a lot like Jenny. She was sexually liberated to the point of almost being my own personal, practically portable @ 5'1", nymphomaniac. She took racy pictures of herself (and even sometimes put them up on the internet), drew sexually explicit art, and had a membership card to the local adult-content store.
She also spent every night honing her skills in Super Smash Brothers (N64 Edition), collected 8 and 16bit gaming memorabilia, played a druid in 3rd edition D&D and had character sheets going back to 1st, collected and played Orks and Tyrannids in 3rd and 4th Edition Warhammer 40K, and nursed a six year long addiction to Ultima Online as a Grandmaster Tamer.
That was 6 years ago.
I just can't help but be saddened that when someone like her, as could be the case with Jenny, shows up in a community, looking to be accepted as a equal participant in said community, automatically by default gets faced with accusations of ulterior motives and 'prove you are real' insinuations.
So what if a hot, sexually liberated, female suddenly decides to become a roleplayer? So what if she has a web-site with content that you object to? This is the internet for God sake ...
Can't we all just be role-players, here, first? Porn-stars, Glamour models, IT guys, Cops, Editors, or whatever second.
Jenny, I just want to say, that even with the critics and the nay-sayers, you've responded in good spirit and humor, and that's awesome to see.
Welcome aboard.
+1, Welcome Jenny
Welcome Jenny,
Hope you have memmorable adventures, and good luck with your career.
Oh great, roosters strutting and preening their coxcombs make the place seem so much more welcoming.
In any event, welcome Jenny. I for one hope you will accept my friends' invitation to this thread. May Paizo be a wonderful experience for you: we've got a great community of folks here that can greatly enhance your gaming.
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Funny that Americans have this sexist view--pretty girls can't possibly like the same things as average guys? If a pretty girl agrees with you, then she must have some ulterior intent? Maybe this is why there aren't more women playing--if their skin is fair and their boobs high, it's too difficult to get some guys to take them seriously.
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Funny thing about Jenny is I had the opposite problem.
People used to send me e-mails asking if I was the 'Matthew Morris' in the Mickey Mouse Club (same group as Ricky Martin apparently). I used to politely reply 'no, that's not me' until I got tired of it. Then the standard answer was 'That was before the drugs and soft porn, and I really don't like to talk about those days.'
Of course there's another Matthew Morris here in Columbus with the same date of birth as I. We went to DeVry together and he broke up a relationship with a girl who started a job the same time I did...
Funny thing, I've never met him face to face.
Anna,
Felicia Day as a naughty fairy
R0FL! This puts "Do you want to date my Avatar?" in a whole new light. ;-)
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Funny that Americans have this sexist view--pretty girls can't possibly like the same things as average guys? If a pretty girl agrees with you, then she must have some ulterior intent? Maybe this is why there aren't more women playing--if their skin is fair and their boobs high, it's too difficult to get some guys to take them seriously.
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I also think, that there are more female gamers than most think - but most seem to avoid conventions (I wonder why...) or roleplaying forums (I tend to avoid most of them, too, paizo is more or less an exception).I am the gamemaster in two unrelated groups where half the players are women, and met many female gamers among my aquaintances.
We even managed to have a small convention in my hometown (about 500 guests each year, sadly the convention sort of died in 1998) that in the last two years was "proud" that about a third of the folk there were women.
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Funny that Americans have this sexist view--pretty girls can't possibly like the same things as average guys? If a pretty girl agrees with you, then she must have some ulterior intent? Maybe this is why there aren't more women playing--if their skin is fair and their boobs high, it's too difficult to get some guys to take them seriously.
To be fair, it seems to be more a 'gamer' thing than an American thing, at least in this context.
When Vin Diesel outted himself as a Roleplayer and Videogamer the communities collectively thumped its chest because one of them*, was actually one of us. No one makes a big deal that Robin Williams is a Warhammer 40K gamer, other than to say 'cool'.
*By them, I mean someone who was traditionally viewed as someone antithesis to the gamer/nerd hobbies or lifestyle.
I'm pretty sure they've already seen worse than a caged, nude Tinker Bell.Felicia Day as a naughty fairy
i loled :)
+1, Welcome JennyThreads like this really depress me.
I dated a girl once, who actually looked a lot like Jenny. She was sexually liberated to the point of almost being my own personal, practically portable @ 5'1", nymphomaniac. She took racy pictures of herself (and even sometimes put them up on the internet), drew sexually explicit art, and had a membership card to the local adult-content store.
She also spent every night honing her skills in Super Smash Brothers (N64 Edition), collected 8 and 16bit gaming memorabilia, played a druid in 3rd edition D&D and had character sheets going back to 1st, collected and played Orks and Tyrannids in 3rd and 4th Edition Warhammer 40K, and nursed a six year long addiction to Ultima Online as a Grandmaster Tamer.
That was 6 years ago.
I just can't help but be saddened that when someone like her, as could be the case with Jenny, shows up in a community, looking to be accepted as a equal participant in said community, automatically by default gets faced with accusations of ulterior motives and 'prove you are real' insinuations.
So what if a hot, sexually liberated, female suddenly decides to become a roleplayer? So what if she has a web-site with content that you object to? This is the internet for God sake ...
Can't we all just be role-players, here, first? Porn-stars, Glamour models, IT guys, Cops, Editors, or whatever second.
Jenny, I just want to say, that even with the critics and the nay-sayers, you've responded in good spirit and humor, and that's awesome to see.
Welcome aboard.
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Welcome to the boards.
Well. Jenny, I hope you have fun in your play by Post game. PbP games can go a little slow from time to time (scheduling, work, etc.) unlike a live game which can keep flowing and a lot can be done in a couple of hours together with your friends. So, have a good time here.
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Just as an aside, I took a break from these boards, and so missed the whole sockpuppet incident. I wasn't aware there were some other things going on that are affecting what others have said in this thread.
So, apologies if I added fuel to a fire. With that, I continue to say welcome to the boards. I'll Keep the rest of my opinions to myself ;)
I'm pretty sure they've already seen worse than a caged, nude Tinker Bell.Felicia Day as a naughty fairy
LMAO! That was great! If you haven't seen it, check this, this, or this out at newgrounds.
Just as an aside, I took a break from these boards, and so missed the whole sockpuppet incident. I wasn't aware there were some other things going on that are affecting what others have said in this thread.
So, apologies if I added fuel to a fire. With that, I continue to say welcome to the boards. I'll Keep the rest of my opinions to myself ;)
There's been some really strange sock puppetry going on, and some of it centered on people pretending to be sexy flirty girls. It isn't gamer self loathing or sexism that has most people skeptical, it's the history of these particular forums this last year.
Anna,
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Heh, I meant say, "...it's not fair to Jenny." Where's my editor?
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+1, Welcome JennyThreads like this really depress me.
I dated a girl once, who actually looked a lot like Jenny. She was sexually liberated to the point of almost being my own personal, practically portable @ 5'1", nymphomaniac. She took racy pictures of herself (and even sometimes put them up on the internet), drew sexually explicit art, and had a membership card to the local adult-content store.
She also spent every night honing her skills in Super Smash Brothers (N64 Edition), collected 8 and 16bit gaming memorabilia, played a druid in 3rd edition D&D and had character sheets going back to 1st, collected and played Orks and Tyrannids in 3rd and 4th Edition Warhammer 40K, and nursed a six year long addiction to Ultima Online as a Grandmaster Tamer.
That was 6 years ago.
I just can't help but be saddened that when someone like her, as could be the case with Jenny, shows up in a community, looking to be accepted as a equal participant in said community, automatically by default gets faced with accusations of ulterior motives and 'prove you are real' insinuations.
So what if a hot, sexually liberated, female suddenly decides to become a roleplayer? So what if she has a web-site with content that you object to? This is the internet for God sake ...
Can't we all just be role-players, here, first? Porn-stars, Glamour models, IT guys, Cops, Editors, or whatever second.
Jenny, I just want to say, that even with the critics and the nay-sayers, you've responded in good spirit and humor, and that's awesome to see.
Welcome aboard.
+2!!!
Welcome to the boards.
+3, Welcome Jenny.
My role-playing group has included a girl for over 10 years. She too is very much into the relationship side of role-playing. All of her characters over the years have been very sexualized and she really enjoys the drama that creates for the rest of the group whether it is one of the other players or the trouble it sometimes causes with the NPCs the group encouters.
She doesn't play that way all the time but, in my opinion, her input in our group is what has kept us gaming together for the past decade!
A female perspective makes the game that much more complete.
Again, it is refreshing to see more women interested in the game!
P.S. your pictures rock!
Personally, I don't try to include a lot of sex in my RPGs because I'm the religious type. I also don't find my life is full of hardcore, and will probably never watch ROME. Thanks for the warning on that. ;) That said, you are an attractive young woman, and were I less uptight you'd probably be my wallpaper. :D
(As an aside: why is the barest hint of religious discussion, even when topical, hit with a delete hammer on every single forum I have ever seen, but a frank discussion about whether sexuality belongs in gaming is not?)
As to your motives and existence... really people? Would a spammer put as much time into this as she has? Would a prankster here hack her webpage to make it seem more authentic? (Okay, maybe, but unlikely.) I get the feeling she's the genuine article.
So, welcome to the boards, Jenny! Hope you enjoy Pathfinder.
Seriously, I loved Rome, and bought both seasons on DVD. I wish they would have continued this into the Third Season, but it seems like Deadwood, they can't seem to keep the good ones funded.
The woman who won the next elvira contest (April Elvira / April Wahlin) said she really likes D&D (I contacted her via email, she's pretty nice). She's a sexy girl... see here, here, and here.
Furthermore, one of my exs was an exotic dancer and cam girl during college. She was very smart and a lot fo fun to play D&D with. Some people gave her crap about it, but really I think they were ust jealous that she was able to got to school full time and work part time, and not the other way around. My point is who are we really to judge someone's profession without knowing more circumstances? Just sayin.
It seems this is a very 'controversial' thread. Welcome to the boards Jenny. Posting a pic in the sock puppet thread would probably help, so I linked it up for you here (it may have been linked elsewhere, this thread is pretty long though).
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(As an aside: why is the barest hint of religious discussion, even when topical, hit with a delete hammer on every single forum I have ever seen, but a frank discussion about whether sexuality belongs in gaming is not?)
I think you'll find quite a few religious discussions here that have not been locked. We tend to remain pretty civil here, though sometimes political threads and rules debates do get people rather steamed.
I think you'll find quite a few religious discussions here that have not been locked. We tend to remain pretty civil here, though sometimes political threads and rules debates do get people rather steamed.
Heh, psionics and DM vs. player entitlement are far more volatile topics around here than politics and religion. ;)
]Just as an aside, I took a break from these boards, and so missed the whole sockpuppet incident. I wasn't aware there were some other things going on that are affecting what others have said in this thread.
So, apologies if I added fuel to a fire. With that, I continue to say welcome to the boards. I'll Keep the rest of my opinions to myself ;)
+1.
This has been explained to Jenny and she has said she understood. Some of us got burned pretty badly, so we are not as trusting as others. But it has nothing to do with our thoughts that a pretty girl couldn't possibly RP or that we have issue with sexuality.Enjoying your PBP Jenny?
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This whole thing about sock puppetd stems from David and Tiny Tina. We had all gotten to be 'friends' with 'her', and then it turns out it's David. So yes we got a little suspiscious. It was never anybody's intent to make these boards a less friendly place, but with all the sock puppet activity some of us were on edge.
EDIT: And BTW Jenny, from Solnes and I welcome to the boards.
This whole thing about sock puppetd stems from David and Tiny Tina.
Err... Who?
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This whole thing about sock puppetd stems...
Ahh, so that's the scoop.
Well, we've all played practical jokes that didn't end well. I once dressed up as a cop and knocked on the door of my dope dealing neighbours. Poor judgment often begins with, 'Wouldn't it be funny if ...?'
If I were you guys I'd pretty much ignore Drachensturm as well, he doesn;t exsist either.
Post-existentialism post, he he
Well, we've all played practical jokes that didn't end well. I once dressed up as a cop and knocked on the door of my dope dealing neighbours.Did they shoot you?
"Dave's not here, man."
Allow me to be the latest of those to welcome you to the boards.
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There's been some really strange sock puppetry going on, and some of it centered on people pretending to be sexy flirty girls. It isn't gamer self loathing or sexism that has most people skeptical, it's the history of these particular forums this last year.
Fair enough. Most of the responses I've read in the thread seemed to imply she wasn't real or serious about the hobby specifically because of her profession, and more specifically the virtual location of her images.
My bad for the assumptions.
Welcome Jenny.
We are all branding ourselves here, one way or another.
So don't sweat it.
Welcome Jenny.
We are all branding ourselves here, one way or another.
So don't sweat it.
That's made all the more unsettling by knowing that you keep a monogrammed wooden case full of iron brands for your human love slaves. Don't sweat it indeed.