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And then, for me: Classic Cryptids Revisited
1: Yeti/Sasquatch
2: Sea Serpent
3: Mothman
4: Chupecabra
5: Death Worm
6: Sandpoint Devil
7: Hodag
8: Thunderbird
9: Globster
10: Water OrmHooray!
Now, off to wikipedia to look up some near the bottom of the list that I have never frikken heard of ... (and I thought I was a cryptid fan ...)
Ah, ok ... I'd never heard of Hodag (he doesn't seem to have achieved the same renown outside the US as the Jersey Devil or Mothman ... or I've just missed him).
A Globster is the same as a blob - you'll have to do some major revisiting there! Considering all globsters (by definition) are dead, and a lot of them seem to have been positively identified.
Water Orm ... I'm guessing this is along the lines of a Lake Monster? Nessie etc. If so, seems appropriate!
How about Phantom Cats / ABCs (The Beast of Bodmin Moor, the Penrith Panther etc)? Yeah, we all know they're probably all just escaped big cats (or oversized feral cats, or dogs, or just made up) but I imagine you could do something interesting with them!
What about The Grinning Men? Or some sort of MIB variant? Too ET or tied into other myths?
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Apparently James has put some thought into this. What would the chapters be in Classic Giants Revisited?.
1. Hill Giants
2. Stone Giants
3. Frost Giants
4. Fire Giants
5. Cloud Giants
6. Storm Giants
7. Cyclopes
8. Titan
9. Ogre Magi / Oni
10. Rune Giants?Ogres already got done in CMR.
Hmmm, not sure on the last three. Titans could fit into the giant theme pretty well, though in 3.5 at least they were not technically giants. Ogre-Magi have the giant subtype, and might work, but they're not giants in the way the others are. Not sure that Rune Giants really fall into the category of ‘classic’, or that they need to be revisited.
I’d put Ettins in there, maybe Swamp Giants or something else that fit the whole ‘hideously deformed giant’ archetype.
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I’d put Ettins in there, maybe Swamp Giants or something else that fit the whole ‘hideously deformed giant’ archetype.
Ooh, good point, Ettins, perhaps even make Ettins a sub-set of Formori, with the two-headed brute being just one of a dozen or so examples, all based on a sort of jumped-up Ogre / pseudo-Hill Giant chassis, and modified by a multiple heads, multiple limbs, serpentine form, etc. set of templates.
Well, WHENEVER it comes, I would like a Fey book.
It seems like some of the incorporeal/less humanoid Fey would be good to throw in the mix, too.
And if you ask me, that Rotling put out by that Lief Clennon chap practically qualifies as an instant Classic...
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Ah, ok ... I'd never heard of Hodag (he doesn't seem to have achieved the same renown outside the US as the Jersey Devil or Mothman ... or I've just missed him).
The hodag has a role to play in Pathfinder #32. You'll see him statted up there.
A Globster is the same as a blob - you'll have to do some major revisiting there! Considering all globsters (by definition) are dead, and a lot of them seem to have been positively identified.
This was sort of an inside joke to Wes. Once upon a time, we were gonna stat up the globster in Pathfinder #1 as a gross shapeless undead mass of mindless carnivorous flesh, or maybe just a big aquatic blob.
Water Orm ... I'm guessing this is along the lines of a Lake Monster? Nessie etc. If so, seems appropriate!
Consider this a sneak preview of a new monster from Bestiary 2. We have sea serpents. Water orms are the freshwater versions. Basically, ogopogos and loch ness monsters.
How about Phantom Cats / ABCs (The Beast of Bodmin Moor, the Penrith Panther etc)? Yeah, we all know they're probably all just escaped big cats (or oversized feral cats, or dogs, or just made up) but I imagine you could do something interesting with them!
These would be a good replacement for globsters, maybe... but they're kind of boring since they're more accurately "displaced" wildlife rather than true cryptids. I prefer cryptids that are actually brand new critters.
What about The Grinning Men? Or some sort of MIB variant? Too ET or tied into other myths?
MIB type stuff is too modern day.
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The hodag has a role to play in Pathfinder #32. You'll see him statted up there.
Cool!
This was sort of an inside joke to Wes. Once upon a time, we were gonna stat up the globster in Pathfinder #1 as a gross shapeless undead mass of mindless carnivorous flesh, or maybe just a big aquatic blob.
There was a globster in PF1? I missed that …
Consider this a sneak preview of a new monster from Bestiary 2. We have sea serpents. Water orms are the freshwater versions. Basically, ogopogos and loch ness monsters.
Also cool!
These would be a good replacement for globsters, maybe... but they're kind of boring since they're more accurately "displaced" wildlife rather than true cryptids. I prefer cryptids that are actually brand new critters.
Yeah, I agree, as displaced beasts they’re not that interesting, but they are a pretty important cryptid archetype, and often have associations or qualities ascribed to them beyond being mere cats. That’s why they need to be revisited! Speaking of displaced beasts, maybe they are Coeurl? ;-)
MIB type stuff is too modern day.
You’re quite right, but then Mothman has only been around for as long as the Grinning Man / Men … but yeah, they probably don’t work that well as classic cryptids of the ‘monster’ variety anyway.
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I've always been a big fan of the Swamp Ape; mostly because it's a lot of fun to say Swamp Ape.
I wouldn't mind seeing a Fey book. I was a little disappointed one never materialized back when WoTC was putting out their monster-type themed books like Libris Mortis and Lords of Madness.
By the way, if there ever is a cryptid book, I think Jake the Alligator Man should get a mention. Like Paizo, he resides in Washington. In fact, Marsh's museum is only a few miles from the real Dismal Nitch (in Golarion, Dismal Nitch is north of the Ravounel Forest in Cheliax.)
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While fey can be interesting, I believe in the past, there have been far too many new races made for the sake of it (though the same could be said of many other creature types, too).
Unlike constructs, undead, or magical beasts, which can be handwaved as being made-to-order, and used once as a unique obstacle, every fey is a whole race, that has to fit an ecological niche.
Far too often, an old folk-tale is mined for inspiration, and since the fictional creature has a slightly different power or modus operandi than existing creatures, a whole new race is written up.
"The Spring-Heeled Jib-Jab uses Ventriloquism to confound intruders, while the Jumping Springamathing is obviously a totally undiscovered creature, since it uses Invisibility and Silent Images to lead strangers astray...".
Why can't they both be leprechaun sorcerors (or brownies, or...whatever), with different spell selection?
Imagine finding a bestiary, written by a fey, that treated humans the same way...
"The 'Kyra' is a smooth, dusky-skinned creature, which defends itself with metal clothing, and copious amounts of divine magic. This race is often accompanied by the 'Ezren', creatures who have a much more wrinkled, hairy appearance, and a propensity for arcane magic...."
In older editions, I can see why new races were churned out, but given the 3.0+ innovation, of advancing creatures by class levels, it no longer needs to be the default.
Do the base racial creatures need any spell-like abilities at all? Is there not a place for some 'little people' who are 'just' little people, with any powers dictated by future class choices?
It would make it far easier to incorporate a player who wanted to play such a creature, without having to worry about some OTT ability inflicting a punishing level adjustment, or balancing disability.
Let's see... were I commissioning this book today, the 10 chapters would be...
1: Dryads
2: Satyrs
3: Nymphs
4: Pixies
5: Redcaps
6: Quicklings
7: Gremlins
8: Leprechauns
9: Mites
10: Nerieds
replace 7-10 with vila, vodyanoi, leshyi and daoine sidhe
How could someone forget the Spriggans the twisted evil gnomes who can turn into giantsOoh, one of my favorite fey ever!
Heh. You guys so need to pick up a copy of Realm of the Fellnight Queen. :-D
Let's see... were I commissioning this book today, the 10 chapters would be...
1: Dryads
2: Satyrs
3: Nymphs
4: Pixies
5: Redcaps
6: Quicklings
7: Gremlins
8: Leprechauns
9: Mites
10: Nerieds
::eyes this list with eager glee::
Put me down as wanting to see this book done...and soon. Also, I too would like to see the Brownie make an appearance. Or even Spriggans if they don't make the Gnomes of Golarion book.
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For an equally intriguing "Mythic Monsters Revisited" I would probably go with:
*snip*
I'm putting this one on the schedule.
Back in line, fey!
Fan-*expletive*-tastic!
I have to say, I'd prefer the fey to be covered in a Golarion-specific Chronicles format, rather than in the 'Revisited' line. There is a lot of good stuff yet to be written about the first world.
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Not sure if anyone else remembers, but some of my favorite books it recent years were the series written by Paul Kidd and based off some of the old classic Greyhawk adventures. The main character was the Justicar, and another was Escalla the Faerie. In those books, the Faerie were a magically powerful race of shapechanging fey, complete with aristocracy reminiscent of the Seelie Court.
Now I know it's been said that Paizo is abandoning the Seelie/Unseelie Court idea (which is awesome) but will they have some kind of primal fey race such as described above - smallish, wings, magic - the whole nine yards?
Not sure if anyone else remembers, but some of my favorite books it recent years were the series written by Paul Kidd and based off some of the old classic Greyhawk adventures. The main character was the Justicar, and another was Escalla the Faerie. In those books, the Faerie were a magically powerful race of shapechanging fey, complete with aristocracy reminiscent of the Seelie Court.
I remember. I bought and read Kidd's versions of White Plume Mountain and Descent Into the Depths of the Earth. While I didn't like them quite enough to get Queen of the Demonweb Pits, I WAS fascinated with Escalla. So much so that I created a few pixie PCs, and even named the first two of them "Escalla."
It's one of the things I miss the most about D&D 3.X. For the low price of 4 class levels, you could fly, turn invisible at will, and actually REMAIN INVISIBLE WHILE ATTACKING! You could even get these nifty Sleep arrows that worked on anyone, regardless of HD!
But who could forget the original Escalla? Her magic missiles appeared as swarms of bees!
No one touches the fairy!
Apparently James has put some thought into this. What would the chapters be in Classic Giants Revisited?.
1. Hill Giants
2. Stone Giants
3. Frost Giants
4. Fire Giants
5. Cloud Giants
6. Storm Giants
7. Cyclopes
8. Titan
9. Ogre Magi / Oni
10. Rune Giants?Ogres already got done in CMR.
I like that lineup myself
Is there some sort of rule that there has to be 10. why not 8 or 9 with a little longer chapter on each?
For an equally intriguing "Mythic Monsters Revisited" I would probably go with:
1: Kraken
2: Medusa/Gorgon
3: Centaur
4: Basilisk
5: Lamia
6: Hydra
7: Couatl
8: Chimera
9: Sphinx
10: HarpyI'm putting this one on the schedule.
Back in line, fey!
Hell Yes!!!
Hell Yes!!!For an equally intriguing "Mythic Monsters Revisited" I would probably go with:
1: Kraken
2: Medusa/Gorgon
3: Centaur
4: Basilisk
5: Lamia
6: Hydra
7: Couatl
8: Chimera
9: Sphinx
10: HarpyI'm putting this one on the schedule.
Back in line, fey!
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Classic Giants Revisited
1. Hill Giants
2. Stone Giants
3. Frost Giants
4. Fire Giants
5. Cloud Giants
6. Storm Giants
7. Cyclopes
8. Titan
9. Ogre Magi / Oni
10. Rune Giants?
What about Firbolgs and Fomorians ?
Maybe instead of ogre magi (not a giant per se) and rune giants (not classic) ?|
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The stats for them are not open content and would have to be redone whole cloth. Not that this is a bad thing, it just delays Classic Giants Revisited for a while.
What about Firbolgs and Fomorians ?
Yeah, but weren't they originally Celtic mythological creatures? That, at least, opens the names for use. Paizo has enough talent to take it from there.
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I do like both this lists :D
Let's see... were I commissioning this book today, the 10 chapters would be...
1: Dryads
2: Satyrs
3: Nymphs
4: Pixies
5: Redcaps
6: Quicklings
7: Gremlins
8: Leprechauns
9: Mites
10: NeriedsFor an equally intriguing "Mythic Monsters Revisited" I would probably go with:
1: Kraken
2: Medusa/Gorgon
3: Centaur
4: Basilisk
5: Lamia
6: Hydra
7: Couatl
8: Chimera
9: Sphinx
10: Harpy
Far too often, an old folk-tale is mined for inspiration, and since the fictional creature has a slightly different power or modus operandi than existing creatures, a whole new race is written up.
"The Spring-Heeled Jib-Jab uses Ventriloquism to confound intruders, while the Jumping Springamathing is obviously a totally undiscovered creature, since it uses Invisibility and Silent Images to lead strangers astray...".
Why can't they both be leprechaun sorcerors (or brownies, or...whatever), with different spell selection?
Great point, and a good reason to give such creatures Casting abilities as if they actually had (Sorceror/X/Y) Class Levels.
Any chance of classic Duckbilled Monsters revisited?
How about the jackalope as a cryptid. Those things were huge back in the 90's and it would be awsome to see what paizo could do with them.
How about the jackalope as a cryptid. Those things were huge back in the 90's and it would be awsome to see what paizo could do with them.
Besides pan-frying them? :P
Any chance of classic Duckbilled Monsters revisited?They could be rolled into Deadline Monsters Revisited.
You'd have the Owlbear, Gorillabear, Bearhound, Duckbunny, Asswere, Starfishpanda, Sealion, Seacat, Seatiger and the Miniature Giant Space Hamster.
Owlbears are classic 1ed...
A little more on the Jackalope from the Jackalope wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackalope (my link fu is weak)
"Legend
The legend of the jackalope has bred the rise of many outlandish (and largely tongue-in-cheek) claims as to the creature's habits. For example, it is said to be a hybrid of the pygmy-deer and a species of "killer rabbit". Reportedly, jackalopes are extremely shy unless approached. Legend also has it that female jackalopes can be milked as they sleep belly up and that the milk can be used for a variety of medicinal purposes. It has also been said that the jackalope can convincingly imitate any sound, including the human voice. It uses this ability to elude pursuers, chiefly by using phrases such as "There he goes! That way!" It is said that a jackalope may be caught by putting a flask of whiskey out at night. The jackalope will drink its fill of whiskey and its intoxication will make it easier to hunt. In some parts of the United States it is said that jackalope meat has a taste similar to lobster. However, legend has it that they are dangerous if approached. It has also been said that jackalopes will only breed during electrical storms including hail, explaining its rarity.
Jackalopes are legendary in the U.S. – attributed to by the New York Times in 1932 to Douglas Herrick (1920–2003) of Douglas, Wyoming, and thus the town was named the "Home of the Jackalope" by the state of Wyoming in 1985. The state of Wyoming trademarked the name in 1965. According to the Douglas Chamber of Commerce, a 1930s hunting trip for jackrabbits led to the idea of a Jackalope. Herrick and his brother had studied taxidermy by mail order as teenagers. When the brothers returned from a hunting trip, Herrick tossed a jackrabbit carcass into the taxidermy shop, which rested beside a pair of deer antlers. The accidental combination of animal forms sparked Douglas Herrick's idea for a jackalope.[2] The first jackalope the brothers put together was sold for $10 to Roy Ball, who displayed it in Douglas' La Bonte Hotel. The mounted head was stolen in 1977.[3] The Douglas Chamber of Commerce has issued thousands of Jackalope Hunting Licenses to tourists. The tags are good for hunting only during official Jackalope season, which occurs for only one day: June 31 (a nonexistent date as June has 30 days), from midnight to 2 AM. The hunter may not have an IQ greater than 72.[4] In 2005, the House of the Wyoming state legislature passed a bill to declare the jackalope the "official mythological creature" of Wyoming, by a vote of 45-12 and referred it to the state Senate, where the bill was indefinitely postponed on 2 March 2005."
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Owlbears are classic 1ed...Any chance of classic Duckbilled Monsters revisited?They could be rolled into Deadline Monsters Revisited.
You'd have the Owlbear, Gorillabear, Bearhound, Duckbunny, Asswere, Starfishpanda, Sealion, Seacat, Seatiger and the Miniature Giant Space Hamster.
Of course they are! They’re also the archetypal Deadline Monster (even if they aren’t actually a true deadline monster, having the same origin as the bulette and the rust monster).
I believe the Gorillabear, the Duckbunny, the Sealion and possibly the Asswere are also classic 1st edition monsters (the Asswere might have been 2nd ed).
Put me in the category of liking both this idea (Classic Fairies Revisited, though I like Fey Revisited better)
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Any chance of classic Duckbilled Monsters revisited?1.Thought Eater
2.Trachodon
3.Duckbunny
4.Dire Platypus
5.BaricThis book should also include the Duckbilled Template. We'll use percophidae (duckbilled fish) and nettastomatidae (duckbilled eels) as examples.
*Quack*
Owlbears are classic 1ed...
very much so, cover of the original MM
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A Giants Revisited book would be very tough to do. Titans wouldn't go in there (they're outsiders and could actually fill their OWN book), and we've already done ogres and trolls in the first book (Classic Monsters).
1: Hill giant
2: Stone giant
3: Fire giant
4: Frost giant
5: Cloud giant
6: Storm giant
7: Ettin
8: Cyclops
9: ?
10: ?
9. Marsh Giant
10. Taiga Giant
11. Rune Giant
Agreed! The Marsh Giant and Taiga Giant may not have a long history in the game but they are "classic" for Golarion. These two would round out the Giants Rivisted book nicely.
Also from the info we have so far on the Taiga Giants I get a slight connection with the First World vibe that could be expanded on.
For an equally intriguing "Mythic Monsters Revisited" I would probably go with:
1: Kraken
2: Medusa/Gorgon
3: Centaur
4: Basilisk
5: Lamia
6: Hydra
7: Couatl
8: Chimera
9: Sphinx
10: Harpy
Sounds excellent to me!
9: ?
10: ?
Andre, then Green. One can substitute for an entire Brute Squad, and the other appears to be a herald of Erastil. :P