Why Can't We Just be Evil?


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Moorluck wrote:


So 5 comic guys posting on an evil thread.... can we be the Paizo Avengers!?

It depends on if you are pro or con . . . you might have to be the Dark Paizo Avengers.

Scarab Sages

David Fryer wrote:
I think it's more like Suicide Squad.

I really wish they'd start that up again in a regular series. That is one of the classic teams.

Liberty's Edge

The League of Extraordinary Genitals?

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KnightErrantJR wrote:
Moorluck wrote:


So 5 comic guys posting on an evil thread.... can we be the Paizo Avengers!?

It depends on if you are pro or con . . . you might have to be the Dark Paizo Avengers.

Nah... I still hate Gargan as Venom. And Daken needs to be retro erased from the Marvel Universe. ;)

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Heathansson wrote:
The League of Extraordinary Genitals?

Solnes been talking again has she. ;P

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Aberzombie wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
I think it's more like Suicide Squad.
I really wish they'd start that up again in a regular series. That is one of the classic teams.

Yes it was. I'm glad they referenced them on Smallville two weeks ago.

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Freedom Force and Suicide Squad, two evil teams that accomplished much good without (too much) internal fighting.

Scarab Sages

not and evil zombie post


Pure Eviiiiiiiiiiil!


David Fryer wrote:
Freedom Force and Suicide Squad, two evil teams that accomplished much good without (too much) internal fighting.

True, but they both had that whole "you're going to jail forever if you don't do this" thing motivating them.

Scarab Sages

Moorluck wrote:
And Daken needs to be retro erased from the Marvel Universe. ;)

I started collecting Wolverine again recently. Then they switched it over to that nutsack of a character, so I stopped.

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David Fryer wrote:
Freedom Force and Suicide Squad, two evil teams that accomplished much good without (too much) internal fighting.

Yes but if I recall FF had these nice little explosive collars that had remote detonators.... a prelude to the nanotech that Stark and Richards would later use on the Thunderbolts.

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Aberzombie wrote:
Moorluck wrote:
And Daken needs to be retro erased from the Marvel Universe. ;)
I started collecting Wolverine again recently. Then they switched it over to that nutsack of a character, so I stopped.

But there are still his other 7000 titles to read. :/

Scarab Sages

Moorluck wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Freedom Force and Suicide Squad, two evil teams that accomplished much good without (too much) internal fighting.
Yes but if I recall FF had these nice little explosive collars that had remote detonators.... a prelude to the nanotech that Stark and Richards would later use on the Thunderbolts.

The Squad has the same thing. Originally bracelets that would blow their arms off, the concept evolved over the years to be skull implants that blow the head off.

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Have any of you guys seen Art Adams work in X. I don't brook much with the Ultimate stuff, but it shows some promise with issue #1.

Scarab Sages

Another character that needs to be erased from, not just comics, but the minds of mankind is Damien Wayne over in DC. I remember voting in the original poll to kill Jason Todd because he was just as immature and annoying.

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Aberzombie wrote:
Moorluck wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Freedom Force and Suicide Squad, two evil teams that accomplished much good without (too much) internal fighting.
Yes but if I recall FF had these nice little explosive collars that had remote detonators.... a prelude to the nanotech that Stark and Richards would later use on the Thunderbolts.
The Squad has the same thing. Originally bracelets that would blow their arms off, the concept evolved over the years to be skull implants that blow the head off.

Now who's being evil.

Liberty's Edge

All I pick up with any regularity is The Goon.
Got all the "Old Man Logan" books.


Heathansson wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Heathansson wrote:

and I argue from a eumomma position:

booooooooring.
Of course. Evil is banal. Add Hannah Arendt to the list.

You, sir, are a lituratroll. You may be well read, but you are indeed a troll of letters.

You're lucky you're not going to Paizocon.

I've got Evil Math.

Scarab Sages

Heathansson wrote:


Got all the "Old Man Logan" books.

Old Man Logan was one of the most creative takes on the character ever. An excellent story that I hope they do more of.

Liberty's Edge

Honest Trollperson wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Heathansson wrote:

and I argue from a eumomma position:

booooooooring.
Of course. Evil is banal. Add Hannah Arendt to the list.

You, sir, are a lituratroll. You may be well read, but you are indeed a troll of letters.

You're lucky you're not going to Paizocon.
I've got Evil Math.

The algebra of junk. The perfect product. The dealer doesn't sell it to the customer, the dealer sells the customer to the junk.

Liberty's Edge

Aberzombie wrote:
Heathansson wrote:


Got all the "Old Man Logan" books.
Old Man Logan was one of the most creative takes on the character ever. An excellent story that I hope they do more of.

+1.

First comic in a long time I had zero problems with.

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Aberzombie wrote:
Moorluck wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Freedom Force and Suicide Squad, two evil teams that accomplished much good without (too much) internal fighting.
Yes but if I recall FF had these nice little explosive collars that had remote detonators.... a prelude to the nanotech that Stark and Richards would later use on the Thunderbolts.
The Squad has the same thing. Originally bracelets that would blow their arms off, the concept evolved over the years to be skull implants that blow the head off.

There is no reason why something like this would not work in Pathfinder. It's little railroady, but have them have a curse or geas that they all have to work together to remove in order to motivate them to work together.


Heathansson wrote:
Honest Trollperson wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Heathansson wrote:

and I argue from a eumomma position:

booooooooring.
Of course. Evil is banal. Add Hannah Arendt to the list.

You, sir, are a lituratroll. You may be well read, but you are indeed a troll of letters.

You're lucky you're not going to Paizocon.
I've got Evil Math.
The algebra of junk. The perfect product. The dealer doesn't sell it to the customer, the dealer sells the customer to the junk.

I've got evil junk. Wait, did I already say that?

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Heathansson wrote:

All I pick up with any regularity is The Goon.

Got all the "Old Man Logan" books.

I was torn on that one. It was a nice little mini series, but even as big a Wolverine fan as I am, I can't see him taking out the entire X-men. Even taking it easy on him any one of their telepaths could shut him off like a switch. But the story was a good one overall.

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David Fryer wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Moorluck wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Freedom Force and Suicide Squad, two evil teams that accomplished much good without (too much) internal fighting.
Yes but if I recall FF had these nice little explosive collars that had remote detonators.... a prelude to the nanotech that Stark and Richards would later use on the Thunderbolts.
The Squad has the same thing. Originally bracelets that would blow their arms off, the concept evolved over the years to be skull implants that blow the head off.
There is no reason why something like this would not work in Pathfinder. It's little railroady, but have them have a curse or geas that they all have to work together to remove in order to motivate them to work together.

In fact, if the baddy that did it was high enough level, that could be the plot of a whole AP.

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Does anyone else remember the old AD&D adventure where you started as 0 level noobs crashed on an island and your actions in the adventure determined what class and alignment you ended up as?


Blackguards are racist. Can't we just be racist?


When you guys are done with comic books and great works, our discussion should turn its attention to Clint Eastwood's "White Hunter, Black Heart."

Liberty's Edge

Didn't see it.
Is Sondra Lockheart in it?
SHE's evil.

RPG Superstar 2012

David Fryer wrote:
Freedom Force and Suicide Squad, two evil teams that accomplished much good without (too much) internal fighting.

I wanted that Showcase Presents volume of the Suicide Squad. DC had to go and pull it, though. :(

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So did this one die?

Scarab Sages

Either that, or it's become extremely sleepy.


David Fryer wrote:
Does anyone else remember the old AD&D adventure where you started as 0 level noobs crashed on an island and your actions in the adventure determined what class and alignment you ended up as?

N4 Treasure Hunt


Me big evil! BIG EVIL!!! Me chop, me burn.

swings torch around, lights self on fire

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!

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Attack Goblin #23 wrote:

Me big evil! BIG EVIL!!! Me chop, me burn.

swings torch around, lights self on fire

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Yes, yes you are big evil, now get back in your momma's basement where you belong pouge.


runs around on fire

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Attack Goblin #23 wrote:
runs around on fire

I knew if I gave you enough fuel you'd soon burn yourself. :D


Moorluck wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Or the git who pushes one directly into ad homimem. (Would that make it, ad gitimem?) OT: Interesting essay on Wilde.
Bookmarked that so I can read up on Mr Wilde. I am admitedly not as well read in his works as I wish I were, thanks M.

Ah, I missed this the first read, but I chalk that by accessing from elsewhere (the missus' parents) than at home, distractions occur. Glad you quoted this so I could check it out. The Portrait of Dorian Gay would work well into an adventure. It would be eeevvviiilll!

Dark Archive

The true face of eviiiiiiil!


G. K. Chesterton wrote:
I'd be honored to be part of such an esteemed literary cabal!

Being that I am the author of Beyond Good and Evil and a lover of all things Apollonian and Dionysian, foolish be those that do not give me my rightful place.


Moorluck wrote:
Any issue of the X-men including The Hellfire Club is a good example of an evil group. Damn I feel like a geek b ringing that one up. :/

Don't forget the Thule Society. They are reaaaalllyyy eeevvviiilll!

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Urizen wrote:
Moorluck wrote:
Any issue of the X-men including The Hellfire Club is a good example of an evil group. Damn I feel like a geek b ringing that one up. :/
Don't forget the Thule Society. They are reaaaalllyyy eeevvviiilll!

But everyone is ignoreing the penultimant evil comic book group, The Masters of Evil!


KnightErrantJR wrote:
Moorluck wrote:

We have a winner! Where do you want me to send the life size Emma Frost as White Queen doll? ;)

Emma Frost Statue

Jawohl! I could do things that are waayy beyond good and eeevvviiilll with that fraulein. She could be my Cosima, my Salomé. I would take her to such Dionysian heights...

Excuse me.


David Fryer wrote:
I have seen what pure evil is capable of, and I doubt very many on this board who hasn't been through what I have can truely imagine true evil.

My. You have such pretty lips. Can you squeal like a pig for me?


Bookmark.

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I just want to chime in and say I have no desire for an evil AP. Evil campaigns seem like they could be a lot of fun to run or play, but IMO the campaign would be pretty quickly run off the tracks in favor of pursuing the various evil plots that the PCs are scheming.

Good campaigns work because the good characters (and their neutral friends) see evil, injustice, or people in need of help, and they do what they can to help.

Good and neutral characters usually have an agenda of their own, but they are content to just do good things and further that agenda when they can.

Evil characters tend to have their agenda at the forefront of their priorities, and so I think an evil campaign would have to be much more railroad-ey. Conversely, I think evil characters are great for writing their own adventures, because their strong motivation to conquer/enslave/destroy/whatever fills out the story, all the DM needs to do is come up with interesting challenges along the way.

Just my 2cp.


[quote=]I'm "morally challenged", and I feel offended by this post. They could have been CN, but no, you just assumed they were evil. After all, all evil people look alike, right?

My people have been fighting for their basic civil rights for literally ever, and then you have to go and make a comment like that. Like it's all evil people's fault that bad things happen in this world.

Also, you can't use that word, that's our word :)

Oh don't worry. When a gang of hoodlums beats up and rapes your wife just because her car broke down in the worst part of the city, then you generally assume that they're pretty much evil. As for evil's "campaign for civil rights", I'd rather spit on a person who doesn't care about the consequences of his actions and their effect/amount of pain it causes to others than consider him a "human being". Being "human" means you recognize the negative dwelling in your soul and control it so it doesn't take control itself often and instead let out your positive side more. "Evil" humans can go live on Venus as far as I'm concerned.

RPG Superstar 2012

David Fryer wrote:
Urizen wrote:
Moorluck wrote:
Any issue of the X-men including The Hellfire Club is a good example of an evil group. Damn I feel like a geek b ringing that one up. :/
Don't forget the Thule Society. They are reaaaalllyyy eeevvviiilll!
But everyone is ignoreing the penultimant evil comic book group, The Masters of Evil!

Who pretended to be heroes as the Thunderbolts (by the way, one of the best reveals in comic books ever!), and some of whom actually reformed.


EVIL!:
E - Every

V - Villain

I - Is

. . . . . . . . . . . L - Lemons

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