I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire 50 charges or only fourty-nine?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself.(SNIP)
LMFAO - brilliant!
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Wand rifles are indeed open content. We'll never be doing anything with them again though, because they really don't make sense for Golarion. At all. Even in Alkenstar, where there are no rifles anyway.
you mean wands right? I do believe they had rifles...
mmm
ok... we requiere Gunblades... but now the idea of Gunrods isn't bad ... not bad at all :D
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I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire 50 charges or only fourty-nine?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a wand of lightning bolts and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? --Dirty Harrymenthotep, Entombed With the Pharoahs III, Lightning Force
jajajaj i am totally stealing this !!
man you get the thread
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Wand rifles are indeed open content. We'll never be doing anything with them again though, because they really don't make sense for Golarion. At all. Even in Alkenstar, where there are no rifles anyway.you mean wands right? I do believe they had rifles...
mmm
ok... we requiere Gunblades... but now the idea of Gunrods isn't bad ... not bad at all :D
I mean that none of the firearms detailed in the current PCCS are rifles.
I mean that none of the firearms detailed in the current PCCS are rifles.
Sorry, James, check page 212, rifle is definitely in there.
Does anybody have a better word than "rifle", seeing as the spells being cast are not technically being "rifled". Wand-Accurizer is a possibility, since accurizing is an actual
firearms term, but it sounds a little unweildly to me. Anybody got some good word-Fu to show off?
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Does anybody have a better word than "rifle", seeing as the spells being cast are not technically being "rifled". Wand-Accurizer is a possibility, since accurizing is an actual
firearms term, but it sounds a little unweildly to me. Anybody got some good word-Fu to show off?
Well Rod of Ranges was my idea.
Rod of Accuracy?
Rod of Marksmanship?
Rod of the Master Sniper?
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I mean that none of the firearms detailed in the current PCCS are rifles.Sorry, James, check page 212, rifle is definitely in there.
Huh! So it is!
Doesn't change my opinion that wand rifle is an inappropriate item for Golarion though, but at least there's a precedent in world for the name.
I think the issue with wand rifles isn't just the name, but that the whole thing is rather somewhat silly, in all honesty.
I already encourage my players (including Anburaid) to have creative forms for their wands beyond "an ornate pointy stick". Most wands requiring a ranged touch attack might have gun-like characteristics, although the lack of recoil and trigger mechanism means they won't look just like guns.
Many wands are at least gradually L-shaped, considering the shape of the human hand and the need for aiming. Non-ranged touch wands could look like almost anything — my personal favorite so far is the double electrode with which Anburaid electrocutes his fallen comrades to cauterize their wounds (as a wand of cure moderate wounds. I've also had a character with triple joined ringlet worn on his index, middle, and ring fingers, made of solid gold in the shape of a three-headed dragon whose tail curled about his wrist (this was a much feared wand of scorching ray CL 11).
My point is, you don't need "wand rifles" to make wands cool. Just be an ornery GM who demands creativity from his players, or else they will look like that guy in the Core Rule Book, pg. 207.
Wands just aren't cool anymore. They've been reduced to a heap of scrolls on a hair trigger, and with wand rifles they're nothing more than ammunition clips. I imagine a mage carrying a wand rifle with a bandolier of wands strapped across his chest. That sounds more like a steampunk adventure. Now, steampunk is cool but it's not what I want when I play Dungeons and Dragons.
Wands just aren't magic anymore, they're mundane. A lot of magic in the game has lost its sparkle. Dare I say it's too common? Now our PCs are one thing, but why is every NPC expected to be just as closely aquainted with magic as we are.
My guess is this thread has received so much attention because some of us are put off by things like spelljammers, lightning rails, and yes, wand rifles; and we want to keep this game grounded in fantasy.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't want to strangle the game. However, as we cavort through our fantasy worlds we can fly pretty high, and sometimes we could benefit by trimming the sails a bit.
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Does anybody have a better word than "rifle", seeing as the spells being cast are not technically being "rifled". Wand-Accurizer is a possibility, since accurizing is an actual
firearms term, but it sounds a little unweildly to me. Anybody got some good word-Fu to show off?
Boomstick! :)
Boomstick! :)Does anybody have a better word than "rifle", seeing as the spells being cast are not technically being "rifled". Wand-Accurizer is a possibility, since accurizing is an actual
firearms term, but it sounds a little unweildly to me. Anybody got some good word-Fu to show off?
*raises wand-rifle in the air while standing above the crowd* This is my boomstick!
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I don't see wand rifles as any sillier than half the stuff you find in fantasy novels. I've read one novel where a world war 2 soldier got transported into the body of a viking warrior. It was pretty entertaining. I love golarion and I love pathfinder. But it isn't like we're role-playing "Catcher in the Rye" or "Pride and Prejudice". A fantasy game world, but fantasy is a pretty broad concept. Perhaps more "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies". It might not always completely mesh, but then Greyhawk had ridiculous things too (often with no attempt at explanation or integration with the setting).
Yeah... it took us a bit to get the modules in line with the rest of the world, alas. We had a really clear vision of where we wanted to go with the world with the Adventure Path, but that vision took a bit to see all the way over to the modules. There's some fun stuff in there... but some stuff that just doesn't fit the rest of Golarion. Wand rifles are one of those "doesn't fit" elements.
A historical period that is 100% consistent is not an authentic historical period. The ancient Greeks, Egyptians and Chinese came up with stuff that's pretty astounding. Keep the wand rifles coming.
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For some reason I have this amusing picture in my mind of someone in the party with a "wandbow" wasting thousands of gold pieces in treasure by grabbing up the party's wands and shooting them at enemies . . .well image the damage of fireball wand with full charges :D
Fill a shotgun with a necklace of fireballs or beads of force.
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Yeah... it took us a bit to get the modules in line with the rest of the world, alas. We had a really clear vision of where we wanted to go with the world with the Adventure Path, but that vision took a bit to see all the way over to the modules. There's some fun stuff in there... but some stuff that just doesn't fit the rest of Golarion. Wand rifles are one of those "doesn't fit" elements.A historical period that is 100% consistent is not an authentic historical period. The ancient Greeks, Egyptians and Chinese came up with stuff that's pretty astounding. Keep the wand rifles coming.
The Chinese discovered gunpowder while Europe was still in the Dark Ages. The evidence is that they began to at least build cannons at that time. My suggestion is to make the wand rife a rare artifact from Tian Xia that Inner Sea region nations have not been ale to duplicate. That way it becomes much more consistant with the historical world.
A historical period that is 100% consistent is not an authentic historical period. The ancient Greeks, Egyptians and Chinese came up with stuff that's pretty astounding. Keep the wand rifles coming.The Chinese discovered gunpowder while Europe was still in the Dark Ages. The evidence is that they began to at least build cannons at that time. My suggestion is to make the wand rife a rare artifact from Tian Xia that Inner Sea region nations have not been ale to duplicate. That way it becomes much more consistant with the historical world.
I did something along these lines. Since I took rifled weapons from Alkenstar and left them with smoothbore firearms, I renamed the wand rifle a wand musket. It was an attempt to replicate the musket using something that was a bit more reliable and accessable.
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Fill a shotgun with a necklace of fireballs or beads of force.For some reason I have this amusing picture in my mind of someone in the party with a "wandbow" wasting thousands of gold pieces in treasure by grabbing up the party's wands and shooting them at enemies . . .well image the damage of fireball wand with full charges :D
i like how think :D
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Yeah... it took us a bit to get the modules in line with the rest of the world, alas. We had a really clear vision of where we wanted to go with the world with the Adventure Path, but that vision took a bit to see all the way over to the modules. There's some fun stuff in there... but some stuff that just doesn't fit the rest of Golarion. Wand rifles are one of those "doesn't fit" elements.A historical period that is 100% consistent is not an authentic historical period. The ancient Greeks, Egyptians and Chinese came up with stuff that's pretty astounding. Keep the wand rifles coming.
I know... but that's not why wand rifles aren't appropriate for Golarion. There's plenty of astounding stuff and tech already in Golarion, like glassworks factories, printing presses, fairly advanced sailing ships, pianos, etc. It's not really a question of technology for me as it is whether or not an item or object or technology fits the FEEL of Golarion.
And to me, wand rifles don't fit that feel. The CONCEPT is fine. It's really just the name and the look of the item that makes me grimace.
This looks exactly like something every mage should be toting around.
And to me, wand rifles don't fit that feel. The CONCEPT is fine. It's really just the name and the look of the item that makes me grimace.
to me, wand rifles are better than real rifles
Speaking of Boomsticks...
In a past campaign I was in we had a wizard who had a rather bad problem with never having enough hands for what he considered enough wands. So he made what he called his Boomstick.
It was a rod that held three wands, free action to switch between wands. Twice per day it could fire two wands simultaneously, and once per day it could fire all three.
DM wouldn't let him use three wands of fireball. Didn't realize how deadly firing THREE wands of Empowered Magic Missile (CL 10) all directed at the same target could be.
Fun concepts but seemed to be a bit overpowered in my opinion.
Speaking of Boomsticks...
In a past campaign I was in we had a wizard who had a rather bad problem with never having enough hands for what he considered enough wands. So he made what he called his Boomstick.It was a rod that held three wands, free action to switch between wands. Twice per day it could fire two wands simultaneously, and once per day it could fire all three.
DM wouldn't let him use three wands of fireball. Didn't realize how deadly firing THREE wands of Empowered Magic Missile (CL 10) all directed at the same target could be.
Fun concepts but seemed to be a bit overpowered in my opinion.
There's an Item from the 3.5 Magic Item Compendium that functions in a similar fashion, except all wands are fired at once, and each wand uses a number of charges equal to the number of wands activated.
Fifteen magic missiles at once is extremely bad Juju for the poor sap getting hit with them.
There's an Item from the 3.5 Magic Item Compendium that functions in a similar fashion, except all wands are fired at once, and each wand uses a number of charges equal to the number of wands activated.
Fifteen magic missiles at once is extremely bad Juju for the poor sap getting hit with them.
True... but thats an expensive 15 magic missiles at 9 charges to cast 3 spells.
Personally, I like idea of wand rifles. Given the existence of firearms in Alkenstar, the merging of this technology with magic seems an obvious step. I'd make them very rare and still experimental, maybe change the look some, but I think the fundamental idea is sound and fits Golarion.
It's just too bad that Paizo's official stance doesn't agree.
So, viva la wand rifles! Revolución para la wand rifles! :)