I for one dance at the death of subraces. A subrace is an ethnic group, not a new race
Moon elf, sun elf wood elf...all elves
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Agreed about the subraces, but Drow are different.
They're not an 'evolutionary adaptation' like FR's 'wheel of elves' for surface elves, they're a 'mystical genetic corruption' If elves are healthy cells, then drow are cancer.
(albiet somewhat hot looking cancer, but that's beside the point)
Now as to half drow, I'd be happy to have a half-drow that's 'half elf, with darkvision' (half the reason I like half drow is darkvision) while having the GR template being from noble drow.
somewhat tasteless spoiler:
Half-drow were updated for the realms in the drow of the underdark book p220 with the notable inclusion of the drow legacy racial feat, which gave a number of drow abilities along with light sensitivity. At the cost of one feat the half-drow went from a half-elf into a watered down, but very playable dark elf.
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how is this for a half drow -
+2 to One Ability Score: Half-drow characters get a +2 bonus to one ability score of their choice at creation to represent their varied nature.
Medium: Half-drow are Medium creatures and have no bonuses or penalties due to their size.
Normal Speed: Half-drow have a base speed of 30 feet.
Darkvision: Half-drow can see in the dark up to 60’. See Chapter 7.
Spell Resistance: Drow possess spell resistance equal to 3 plus their class levels.
Drow Blood: Half-drow count as both drow and humans for any effect related to race.
Elven Immunities: Half-drow are immune to magic sleep effects and get a +2 racial saving throw bonus against enchantment spells and effects.
Keen Senses: Half-drow receive a +2 racial bonus on Perception skill checks.
Spell-Like Abilities: A drow can cast dancing lights, darkness, or faerie fire once per day, using his total character level as his caster level.
Light Sensitivity: Abrupt exposure to bright light blinds a half-drow for 1 round; on the next round they are dazzled, on subsequent rounds they are act as normal.
Weapon Familiarity: Drow are proficient with the hand crossbow, rapier, and short sword.
Languages: Half-drow begin play speaking Common and Undercommon. Half-drow with high Intelligence can choose bonus languages from the following: Abyssal, Aklo, Aquan, Draconic, Drow Sign Language, Elven, Gnome, or Goblin
That's the usual player of one, at least.All this talk makes me want to play a proper Drizzt clone. :PI hate the term Drizzt clone, it assumes every non-evil drow is an emo teenager uncomfortable around girls.
As someone who's played a drow, and a half-drow, I'm going to take exception to that and kill your summoner next game.
how is this for a half drow -
+2 to One Ability Score: Half-drow characters get a +2 bonus to one ability score of their choice at creation to represent their varied nature.
Medium: Half-drow are Medium creatures and have no bonuses or penalties due to their size.
Normal Speed: Half-drow have a base speed of 30 feet.
Darkvision: Half-drow can see in the dark up to 60’. See Chapter 7.
All good up to here, although the argument could be made to bump the darkvision up to 90', as drow have it to 120'.
Spell Resistance: Drow possess spell resistance equal to 3 plus their class levels.
I'd drop this completely for half-drow. I think the spell resistance should just go away, given how PF has the Noble Drow with the original strength of SR, and the Drow with a weaker SR, a half-drow should probably just drop it completely.
Drow Blood: Half-drow count as both drow and humans for any effect related to race.
This should really say : Half-Drow count as Drow, Elves, and Humans for any effect related to race. Remember, a Drow still counts as an Elf for effects related to race (like ranger's favored enemy).
Elven Immunities: Half-drow are immune to magic sleep effects and get a +2 racial saving throw bonus against enchantment spells and effects.
Keen Senses: Half-drow receive a +2 racial bonus on Perception skill checks.
Spell-Like Abilities: A drow can cast dancing lights, darkness, or faerie fire once per day, using his total character level as his caster level.
Light Sensitivity: Abrupt exposure to bright light blinds a half-drow for 1 round; on the next round they are dazzled, on subsequent rounds they are act as normal.
If you drop the SR above, I'd drop the light sensitivity as well.
Weapon Familiarity: Drow are proficient with the hand crossbow, rapier, and short sword.
I'd drop this piece, mainly because most PC's would have been raised by human parents, not drow, if they are non-evil.
Languages: Half-drow begin play speaking Common and Undercommon. Half-drow with high Intelligence can choose bonus languages from the following: Abyssal, Aklo, Aquan, Draconic, Drow Sign Language, Elven, Gnome, or Goblin
This looks good.
As someone who's played a drow, and a half-drow, I'm going to take exception to that and kill your summoner next game.
If it was not a "Drizzt clone", then you have no reason to complain.
I've played a drow as well, and it was as far from a Drizzt-clone as possible while still being a drow.
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I'd drop this...
Weapon Familiarity: Drow are proficient with the hand crossbow, rapier, and short sword.
I'd keep it, but I'd alert it to choosing one. If the half-drow were raised in a drow society then there's a chance they'd learn to use the hand crossbow. If not, then a rapier and shortsword is still viable.
No, no no, I use two long swords, and have pet tiger. I just happen to be drow, CG, and a ranger, but see my character is nothing like Drizzt. Oh and my eyes are blue, see blue, nothing alike at all.
That's more or less exactly how I see it, too.
All this talk makes me want to play a proper Drizzt clone. :PI hate the term Drizzt clone, it assumes every non-evil drow is an emo teenager uncomfortable around girls.
Note that I was talking about this, too. And the most extremist Drizzt-bashers call every character that has anything in common with Drizzt a clone.
No, I'm talking about a real clone. I mean, clone as in the definition of clone.
19 books of 10th grade garbage prose and maudlin, adolescent journal entries by the the talentless Salvatore and still counting. Give Salvatore credit for making a career out of this dyslexic swill, and start a new (better) thread about something other than the ever-annoying Drow. Like a Pathfinder version of the Flumph, per esempio.
He delivers what the fans want. He seems quite successful. That's all that counts.
So my question is: What publishing house rejected your 11th grade garbage prose to make you so bitter? :D
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19 books of 10th grade garbage prose and maudlin, adolescent journal entries by the the talentless Salvatore and still counting. Give Salvatore credit for making a career out of this dyslexic swill, and start a new (better) thread about something other than the ever-annoying Drow. Like a Pathfinder version of the Flumph, per esempio.He delivers what the fans want. He seems quite successful. That's all that counts.
Indeed.
So my question is: What publishing house rejected your 11th grade garbage prose to make you so bitter? :D
You're assuming he even writes in an effect to publish.
Seeing as how MOST of today's mass market fiction is written for a 5th grade reading level, calling Salvatore's stuff 11th grade garbage is a step up IMHO. :)
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19 books of 10th grade garbage prose and maudlin, adolescent journal entries by the the talentless Salvatore and still counting. Give Salvatore credit for making a career out of this dyslexic swill, and start a new (better) thread about something other than the ever-annoying Drow. Like a Pathfinder version of the Flumph, per esempio.He delivers what the fans want. He seems quite successful. That's all that counts.Indeed.
So my question is: What publishing house rejected your 11th grade garbage prose to make you so bitter? :DYou're assuming he even writes in an effect to publish.
Seeing as how MOST of today's mass market fiction is written for a 5th grade reading level, calling Salvatore's stuff 11th grade garbage is a step up IMHO. :)
We can say that RA Salvatore has jumped the shark with Drizzt loses the sunline sensativity, and starts sparkling ;-)
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how is this for a half drow -
+2 to One Ability Score: Half-drow characters get a +2 bonus to one ability score of their choice at creation to represent their varied nature.
Medium: Half-drow are Medium creatures and have no bonuses or penalties due to their size.
Normal Speed: Half-drow have a base speed of 30 feet.
Darkvision: Half-drow can see in the dark up to 60’. See Chapter 7.All good up to here, although the argument could be made to bump the darkvision up to 90', as drow have it to 120'.
Yeah, let's give Half-Elves access to the one Racial ability that gives Half-orcs a real advantage over the other races... oh, oh, oh, and lets make it BETTER for the pointy ears! Yeah, that's balanced, woo!
I'm going to come over to your house, and I'm going to eat your feet.
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That's the usual player of one, at least.All this talk makes me want to play a proper Drizzt clone. :PI hate the term Drizzt clone, it assumes every non-evil drow is an emo teenager uncomfortable around girls.Not helping. :P
I'll point out there was a very fun drow cleric in Baldur's Gate (true neutral i believe) and a choatic good drow rogue in Demon Stone, neither of which are anything like Drizzt.
Her name was Viconia and she was Neutral Evil and a worshipper of Shar. If you worked at it though you COULD change her alignment to true neutral ... but if you did that then you are a horrible person for not liking someone for who they truly are ^__^
Ah Viconia ... my first video game girl crush ... *sighs*
... my wife hates her >_>
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Isn't that sort of an insane concept for a sentient creature with free will, though?See the thing is in Golarion Drow are corrupted by Demons. Evey last one has a twisted Demonic corrupted soul. Which is a nice way around that
And yet one of the coolest NPCs I ever pulled off the WOtC site was a LG Sucubus Paladin.
Yeah, let's give Half-Elves access to the one Racial ability that gives Half-orcs a real advantage over the other races... oh, oh, oh, and lets make it BETTER for the pointy ears! Yeah, that's balanced, woo!I'm going to come over to your house, and I'm going to eat your feet.
Actually, Dwarves get darkvision too, you might want to read the rules. Plain old Drow (which are playable) get 120 feet.
Humor is fine, snide is not.
Oh, and as to coming to my house and eating my feet... I keep a loaded shotgun ready for people that try stuff like that, feel free to come over...
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Yeah, let's give Half-Elves access to the one Racial ability that gives Half-orcs a real advantage over the other races... oh, oh, oh, and lets make it BETTER for the pointy ears! Yeah, that's balanced, woo!I'm going to come over to your house, and I'm going to eat your feet.
Actually, Dwarves get darkvision too, you might want to read the rules. Plain old Drow (which are playable) get 120 feet.
Humor is fine, snide is not.
Oh, and as to coming to my house and eating my feet... I keep a loaded shotgun ready for people that try stuff like that, feel free to come over...
ZOMG nowai!!!??! Dwarvses gets teh darkvisionz to? Oh yeah, they also move at reduced speed. reed teh rulez!!!!1!
As for the feet , My God, man it was a joke! But it's good to know the big strong guy with a gun is prepared to defend himself from a make believe PFS character.
I think its less about the drow and more about the human side of the half elves. All elven traits have to be diluted somewhat to show that they are a half breed just like with half orcs (which we really need a new name for). Loosing their elven ancestor's darkvision and instead gaining low light vision shows that diluted blood when paired with humans (a race without any kind of special sight effects). I think giving a half elf 60 foot darkvision just because daddy (or mommy) had 120 foot fails to show that diluted bloodline
I suppose the same case could be made for Half orcs then but one has to keep in mind that Darkvision is the only real orcly trait they keep from their parents. Half elves still have their immunity to sleep effects from their parent race and now we want to give them another strong blood power that the parent race had? Seems munchkiny to me
Plain old Drow (which are playable)
Might be playable. If the GM allows them.
I know it's implied, but I want to clarify things, lest some 12-year-old with the intention span typical to his age reads your post and then goes to harass his GM with "I WANT TO PLAY A DROW""I WANT TO PLAY A DROW""I WANT TO PLAY A DROW""I WANT TO PLAY A DROW""I WANT TO PLAY A DROW""I WANT TO PLAY A DROW""I WANT TO PLAY A DROW""I WANT TO PLAY A DROW""I WANT TO PLAY A DROW""I WANT TO PLAY A DROW"(repeat as often as physically possible until GM rips his brain out through his navel).
Oh, and as to coming to my house and eating my feet... I keep a loaded shotgun ready for people that try stuff like that, feel free to come over...
A loaded shotgun. How often have those helped against feeteaters? You need an anointed sword!
As it happens, I have an anointed feeteater-slayer sword I could let you have for a very modest price. In fact, I can barely cover my costs with my normal price, and I give you 20% off. I'm cutting my own throat with this, but I like you. You better decide quickly, though, because I hear the shuffling of feeteater coils (they move like a snake, having no feet themselves, which is why they like to eat them. Feeteater legend has it that if you eat enough feet, you will grow feet yourself.)
Get the sword now! Don't let yourself be defeeted!
As for the feet , My God, man it was a joke!
I might be wrong with this (what do I know? I'm a mad clown!) but I have the gnawing suspicion that he was playing along. I bet he doesn't really have a loaded shotgun for made up feet eaters.
My guess it's really just a derringer or maybe a nine.
As for the feet , My God, man it was a joke!
I might be wrong with this (what do I know? I'm a mad clown!) but I have the gnawing suspicion that he was playing along. I bet he doesn't really have a loaded shotgun for made up feet eaters.
My guess it's really just a derringer or maybe a nine.
Actually, it's an Turkish sword I keep (sharpened) on the wall, on a little display rack. But a study came out about 15 years ago on what images, sounds, etc were the most frightening to criminals (I'm assuming they were criminals, all the respondents were in jail). I don't remember the image that won, but the most intimidating sound was the pump action on a pump shotgun, by a good margin.
As to the joke, it wasn't a very good joke, so I didn't bother mustering a good response to it. I figure the 3 second response on the shotgun was really giving it too much credit in the first place.
I blame the clones, or his over popularity. I myself like him and really enjoyed the first few books, I was fine really until after they reclaimed the hall then it started getting less interesting and by the last book I was done with it and wotc version of FR as a whole
I blame the clones, or his over popularity. I myself like him and really enjoyed the first few books, I was fine really until after they reclaimed the hall then it started getting less interesting and by the last book I was done with it and wotc version of FR as a whole
The thing to keep in mind is that WOTC wants RAS to write about Drizzt. Not everything that has happened in the Drizzt books has had to do with RAS' decisions. For example, Wulfgar's miraculous return was due to TSR not knowing how to deal with tons of fans saying they didn't want one of the Companions to die.
Now, in my opinion, this cheapened all of the books that came after it, but what do I know, I thought the Star Trek II would have had more impact if Spock had stayed dead.
Ironically, Wulgar's return lead to Spine of the World, which was one of my favorite RAS books in a long time, but WOTC more or less did the same thing as TSR and asked for more "standard" Drizzt books because of the reaction they got from fans who wanted Wulfgar to come back from being tortured in the Abyss and become "Drizzt's Thor-like buddy" instead of having icky character development.
The thing to keep in mind is that WOTC wants RAS to write about Drizzt. Not everything that has happened in the Drizzt books has had to do with RAS' decisions. For example, Wulfgar's miraculous return was due to TSR not knowing how to deal with tons of fans saying they didn't want one of the Companions to die.
Oh I know and it shows at times that this is not always the direction he wants. I also recall reading an interview where he said he wanted to do something else, but they kept saying they needed more of the same character. He never said which character but it was clear he was pushing to write something else or new and they wanted the same.
Can't blame the man, it is after all a paycheck
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As to the joke, it wasn't a very good joke, so I didn't bother mustering a good response to it. I figure the 3 second response on the shotgun was really giving it too much credit in the first place.
Hey, bro. Not my fault you have no sense of humor. Or maybe you're overly sensitive about your feet, I don't know. Either way, have a Happy New Year.