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Owen,
Can one pay in installments to upgrade to a higher patronage class or does it have to be all at once? Let's say I throw in $50 off the back, but work towards $250?
At this time, we don't plan to have a second chance to upgrade patron levels. We need to meet out full budget before we start, and people who pay to be higher-level patrons off the bat deserve the exclusivity of doing so up front. That said, if there's a massive fan push to allow upgrading, we'd certainly reconsider that position.
We always listen to our fans. :D
Fair enough. When I kept shilling this, I was still gainfully employed until the middle of last month; hence the dilemma. :( Aside from my Paizo subscriptions and the recent Haiti donation, the only thing I've been holding on fast for is THIS because I had hopes you guys were going to deliver on your promise. The ex-banker in me will figure out something, I suppose. Besides, I want to see Bendar the Hobgoblin come to fruitition. He's going to take extortion rackets with Crazy Kragnar. :P
We are finalizing our budget, and once we have that we can set up to take pledges. This is likely to be a two-step process, because taking people's money isn't free and we will give back everyone's money if the project doesn't meet the required funding level. We want to make sure people are really interested enough to do this before any money changes hands, since it'll cost us to receive it and then send it back if we don't get the support needed.
The current plan is to set up a dedicated email address and related web page. We will asks those interested to send us an email pledging a specific amount of money, for this project, as outlined by our design guidelines. The web page will tell people what our final funding level needs to be, and how close to it we are. If pledges hit that goal in 30 days, we'll set about actually allowing people to send us the money they have pledged.
We have a 30 day time frame from the time of the first pledges to hit our required pledge level to ensure no one is left in limbo. Budgets are tight, and there's a lot of cool game stuff out there. (And even other cool patron projects.) We don't want anyone to have money they are saving for our project to be stuck sitting on it too long. If we make our pledge level, we can actually take everyone's money and get started. If we don't, we want everyone to be free to spend their money elsewhere in a timely manner.
We hope to have the final budget, email address for pledges and web page to track how close we are soon. We'll post those details here once we do.
Well as soon as you have the website set up let us know. I am down for the 250. I like the idea of being one of the iconics, and I know my group and I will find endless amounts of amusement in one of us playing a me (where me is the class the iconic represents). You guys have definately proven to me that you put out quality products (with your releases over the last few months for PFRPG), and care about your customers (fast responses to questions and good value products) so you have my support that is for sure.
That brings me another question -- what if you have beyond your wildest dreams people clamoring for the iconic. First come first serve? Obviously, you got to have a limit drawn somewhere...?
That brings me another question -- what if you have beyond your wildest dreams people clamoring for the iconic. First come first serve? Obviously, you got to have a limit drawn somewhere...?
Good question, I guess i will have to keep a more obsessive eye on the boards for a while to see the announcement of the web page/email address for donations.
And Facebook too (and Twitter if anyone has that).
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That brings me another question -- what if you have beyond your wildest dreams people clamoring for the iconic. First come first serve? Obviously, you got to have a limit drawn somewhere...?
First, we dance a little "beyond our wildest dreams" dance. It may even show up on YouTube.
Then, we look at the posted patorn levels. "As lower ranks, but you also get an NPC based on you (or created with your input if you prefer). The first six patrons to commit to this level or higher may choose to have their NPC be an iconic - a major character used throughout the book and likely in future publications."
So the first six patrons get to be iconics, if they want to. Everyone else gets -some- character named after them or based on their input.
And this thread will be the FIRST place we announce the email address for pledges, though it'll trickle out to Facebook and LiveJournal.
I'll be watching with my electric eye, Owen. I have my sights set on the Sooner State. :P
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Owen please visit this website, it handles all the logistics of collecting the money, it would simplify things.
While we had originally considered fundable, the site is now closed. That page is an archived copy from 2006.
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Owen please visit this website, it handles all the logistics of collecting the money, it would simplify things.While we had originally considered fundable, the site is now closed. That page is an archived copy from 2006.
Deleted my post as soon as I noticed, it sucks. it seems like such a great idea
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Owen please visit this website, it handles all the logistics of collecting the money, it would simplify things.While we had originally considered fundable, the site is now closed. That page is an archived copy from 2006.
How about Kickstarter?
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How about Kickstarter?
It's maximum allowed amount won't handle this project's budget.
EDIT: Actually, while there is a max for rewards, there may not be for total budget. That needs clarification, and I'm going to look into it. We may use kickstarter after all, though we had priginally ruled it out due to the $10,000 cap.
How about Kickstarter?It's maximum allowed amount won't handle this project's budget.
I just checked their FAQ and found this...
Is there a maximum for how much a project can raise?
No.
Is there a minimum or maximum for how much a reward can cost?
Yes. Rewards can be priced anywhere from $1 to $10,000.
So it looks to me like you can raise the money but the "reward" for sponsorship can't be over 10K.
Or am I missing something?
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So it looks to me like you can raise the money but the "reward" for sponsorship can't be over 10K.
Or am I missing something?
I edited my post within a couple of minutes of making it because I read the same thing. That does not jive with information we got a few months ago, but I don't have that original source. I am now looking into it, to see is kickstarter will meet our needs. That would obviously be much easier on our end.
But I -do- want to thank you for pointing things like this out, we appreciate all the fan (and fellow publisher) input!
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$5000 Champion Patron. You get your signed copy of the final hardback hand-delivered by one of the designers, who also runs an introductory game at your house for you and up to five or your closest friends. (continental US only)
Any interest in extending this to international based on the Patron being willing to pay airfare?
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Any interest in extending this to international based on the Patron being willing to pay airfare?
$5000 Champion Patron. You get your signed copy of the final hardback hand-delivered by one of the designers, who also runs an introductory game at your house for you and up to five or your closest friends. (continental US only)
If someone REALLY wants to fly one of us out internationally at an additional cost, to run a preview game and hand-delvier a book, I am SURE we can work something out.
If anyone is Serious about that option, let us know and we'll make arrangements to tell you how much mroe that will cost.
Heck, if anyone wants to fly a Genius out to run -any- kind of game, realted to this or not, and is really happy about paying something like $5000 or more to do it, drop us a line. I can happily run anything from Bunnies and Burrows to Star Wars Saga on command (including Pathfinder, of course) if the price is right.
(something that made me very happy)
Man, I'm really excited about this now. I'll be checking here daily to see where to throw my money!
Awesome!
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Heck, if anyone wants to fly a Genius out to run -any- kind of game, realted to this or not, and is really happy about paying something like $5000 or more to do it, drop us a line. I can happily run anything from Bunnies and Burrows to Star Wars Saga on command (including Pathfinder, of course) if the price is right.
For the sake of the project, refuse any offers to LARP FATAL no matter the price. :P
Heck, if anyone wants to fly a Genius out to run -any- kind of game, realted to this or not, and is really happy about paying something like $5000 or more to do it, drop us a line. I can happily run anything from Bunnies and Burrows to Star Wars Saga on command (including Pathfinder, of course) if the price is right.
I never thought to making DM for hire a career, but if there are any biters on that offer, one might have to give it additional thought.
And honestly the top option was tempting. And if I wasnt planning on buying a car in the next month or so i might have even considered it. For now it is more then I can reasonably afford though.
Edit: BTW, what is bunnies for burrows?
I'm so excited for this project that my pledge will look something like this:
Take my money! TAKE IT! TAKE IT!!!
Speaking as a publisher....I can only hope to have people say that about our stuff once in a while! :-)
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Owen, great news on the design goals and patronage levels. While I know a hard timeline would be impossible to keep, do you have a rough timeline you could share for once the fundraising goal is met? 6 months, 12 months, 18 months until the hardcover finished product is available?
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Owen, great news on the design goals and patronage levels. While I know a hard timeline would be impossible to keep, do you have a rough timeline you could share for once the fundraising goal is met? 6 months, 12 months, 18 months until the hardcover finished product is available?
A hard answer may be possible, just not from me. I'm not the print buyer/art director/editor/layout guy. Definitely less than 12 months, but I don't offhand know how much less. I'll see if one of the more experienced printside guys can chime in, though we may not know for absolute certain until we have a printer under contract, and that may not happen until the book is funded.
Here are our official design goals, the blueprint we plan to use to form all decisions.
The P20 Modern Project (name subject to change) is dedicated to creating a revised and improved version of core d20 rpg rules, designed to update the Modern SRD rules, and bring many of the innovations pioneered by the Pathfinder RPG into the genre of modern gaming. The head design team intends to take the time to consider every aspect of the game rules prior to beginning the process of writing, and the project allows time and resources to ensure any new rule is thoroughly researched, developed and playtested before becoming part of the final project.
Obviously such an undertaking requires flexibility regarding the path of design, but patrons also have a right to know what the end-goal of the project is. This the following core design principles are presented, to outline what we plan to achieve.
Using the Modern SRD as our baseline, and the Pathfinder SRD as a blueprint for updates and improvements, create a streamlined, updated, complete core d20 ruleset able to support campaigns set in a wide range of post-industrial settings. Backwards compatibility with both the Pathfinder RPG and Modern SRD is a design goal, though it is secondary to creating the best rpg possible drawing from those two sources.
The game will be anchored by a set of flexible, balanced, useful core classes that can be used to represent a slew of modern and futuristic character archetypes easily even at 1st level, but remain versatile enough to be used in games with civilian or military focus, high magic and psionics or limited to real-world technology.
Characters from the finished RPG should be interchangeable, from a balance and rules perspective if not one of storyline, with characters from the RPG Pathfinder Core Rulebook. If you want to have paramedics and SWAT members taking on dragons and labyrinths, this product will be designed to assist you.
WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Sorry, just had to be said. This will REALLY help my Dragonstar conversions, lol.
This will REALLY help my Dragonstar conversions, lol.
Man, I love Dragonstar *so* much. Need to get another game of it going on. I'll look at using P20 Modern, when I get my grubby mitts on it - thanks!
Peace,
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$5000 Champion Patron. You get your signed copy of the final hardback hand-delivered by one of the designers, who also runs an introductory game at your house for you and up to five or your closest friends. (continental US only)
You know it's very tempting. And after the discussion in another thread about how much a testicle goes for it's quite affordable, leaving a guy with $86k to spend on other games. Would give a whole new meaning to giving a left... well you know what I mean! ;-)
I think I'll stick to the $50 or C note club. Count me in reguardless.
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Edit: BTW, what is bunnies for burrows?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunnies_&_Burrows
I only have the GURPS version, but I have played the original. And I could certainly do a Hares & Harpies Pathfinderized version, if someone wanted to spend $5k to play it.
Heck, I could run nearly anything if someone wanted to pony up that money. :D
So it looks to me like you can raise the money but the "reward" for sponsorship can't be over 10K.
Or am I missing something?
I edited my post within a couple of minutes of making it because I read the same thing. That does not jive with information we got a few months ago, but I don't have that original source. I am now looking into it, to see is kickstarter will meet our needs. That would obviously be much easier on our end.
But I -do- want to thank you for pointing things like this out, we appreciate all the fan (and fellow publisher) input!
Owen,
I've been using Kickstarter for the past month on my e20 System project, and thus far I've been impressed with their system's capabilities. For example, it can handle patron-exclusive updates (which patrons can comment on directly), and patrons get email notification for it so everyone stays in the loop. Also, since they help to promote projects to some degree (e.g. "what's popular" pages, featured selections, etc.), they can help you find people who otherwise might not have ever heard of your project.
As others mentioned, there's no total fund-raising ceiling even if the per-patron reward levels can't go higher than $10,000. Its one down side is that they get a 5% cut -- but, honestly, since they serve a useful "mediator" role (which makes people a lot more comfortable putting their money on the line) and their website provides a solid suite of capabilities, I think they earn it.
(Also, don't forget to account for credit card processing fees when you're doing your budget calculations -- depending on your volume, that's probably 2-3% of your total!)
I still have some Kickstarter invitations remaining if you're interested, so let me know and I'll email you one so you can get set up without having to go through the longer approval process. I'd also be happy to answer any questions you might have, give you some sample screen shots of what the dashboard page looks like, etc. -- just email or call me to let me know, and I'll help out however I can. :)
(BTW, my email and phone # for you might be old -- they're from when we were doing the Saga rulebook together -- but mine are the same if you need to contact me directly.)
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I still have some Kickstarter invitations remaining if you're interested, so let me know and I'll email you one so you can get set up without having to go through the longer approval process. I'd also be happy to answer any questions you might have, give you some sample screen shots of...
For those of you who don't know Gary and I go way back (at least to the SWSE, but honestly to before that as well. He out-dresses me at all the Jedi functions at Gen Con, for example.)
Gary has his own redesign project in the works, the e20 system (http://e20system.com). He hopes to bring the sensibility of SWSE to a genre-independent set of d20-rules. Obviously I'm a fan of SWSE, and I look forward to what he comes up with. I'm also fairly sure that his plans for a genre-independent game with no effort at any particular level of compatibility with existing material is unlikely to overlap with ours. Indeed, I suspect compatibility would be a hindrance in his efforts to great a new, streamlined game using what he's learned from existing games and working on SWSE.
But if you're looking for more a new game than a merging of Pathfinder and Modern, I heartily recommend you check him out at the link above.
Gary: Thanks for the offer: I accept. Private message sent to you.
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Ok, I just have to mention how little I can contain my excitement any more. You guys are being very professional about this and to be perfectly honest, I think I know what my next bonus check is going to. Just wanted to let you guys know you've certainly brightened my day. Thank you.
No, thank you! This project has been born out of fan input, and continuing fan excitement is one of the main things that keeps us going. Plus, it always feels good to brighten anyone's day.
I hope to have an announcement about being able to go directly to a funding stage soon, but it could be as long as 10 days. We're cramming in the needed background material ASAP.
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continuing fan excitement is one of the main things that keeps us going
In which case, I'd just like to add - EXCITED! ME! ARGH! That should keep you going for an extra hour or two, and by releasing it, you're not losing a patron who would otherwise have exploded from the pent-up excitement.
;p
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No, thank you! This project has been born out of fan input, and continuing fan excitement is one of the main things that keeps us going. Plus, it always feels good to brighten anyone's day.
I hope to have an announcement about being able to go directly to a funding stage soon, but it could be as long as 10 days. We're cramming in the needed background material ASAP.
It appears to me maintaining fan excitement will be the easiest part of this project. You guys do good work and this is something I really want. I havent felt this much excitement since the days heading up to the release of the final version of the PF core rules.
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I cimmited to the $50 initially. I'll certainly bump that up to the $100 mark. $250 could happen because I really believe in the project... but I'm not so concerned with the vanity character. I'll save those character ideas for my own project.
I'm tempted with the $250 and the chance for an iconic. Most game worlds are under-represented in terms of fat, bald, goateed radar-satellite code hackers. :)
I've got $250 sitting here, burning to be sent your folks way. Can't wait to see the startup!
I'd be more than willing to give $50 or more!
Hmm, Battlefield Press (of wercabbage fame) annouced the closed playtest for their version of Pathfinder Modern.
I'm keeping my money on this one.
I'm keeping my money on this one.Hmm, Battlefield Press (of wercabbage fame) annouced the closed playtest for their version of Pathfinder Modern.
I can understand that. I have NOT been impressed with anything from BPI.
I actually have a bunch of stuff for D20 Modern that I've been itching to see be viable in some way. I would ask that you make the two compatible so the old books do not go to waste. Include provisions for at least a version of a setting that would allow for Overt Moreaus to be a viable alternative to humans as the default race and I will be really on board with the idea.
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I actually have a bunch of stuff for D20 Modern that I've been itching to see be viable in some way. I would ask that you make the two compatible so the old books do not go to waste. Include provisions for at least a version of a setting that would allow for Overt Moreaus to be a viable alternative to humans as the default race and I will be really on board with the idea.
Beleive it or not, I have a ton of d20 Modern stuff sitting around, too!
While I can't speak in advance for what we'd do about settings (that's one of the biggest areas we want to see what patron feedback is like before we set it in stone), I am a big fan of the kind of post-human near-future that would include Moreaus of all kinds.
Heck, I have a Werewolves Vs Psychics setting in my head that could easily become a genepunk campaign with overt Moreaus, though I hadn't prteviously thought of using it on this project.
I actually have a bunch of stuff for D20 Modern that I've been itching to see be viable in some way. I would ask that you make the two compatible so the old books do not go to waste. Include provisions for at least a version of a setting that would allow for Overt Moreaus to be a viable alternative to humans as the default race and I will be really on board with the idea.Beleive it or not, I have a ton of d20 Modern stuff sitting around, too!
While I can't speak in advance for what we'd do about settings (that's one of the biggest areas we want to see what patron feedback is like before we set it in stone), I am a big fan of the kind of post-human near-future that would include Moreaus of all kinds.
Heck, I have a Werewolves Vs Psychics setting in my head that could easily become a genepunk campaign with overt Moreaus, though I hadn't prteviously thought of using it on this project.
I have a whole host of homebrew stuff for d20 modern, so backwards comp would be nice.
I personally really like the option of a 'current' and 'real world' setting. It's something that I had not seen done well in any other setting. But I guess with all these ideas in mind it will be interesting to try to develop a setting neutral system (assuming that ends up your final aim).