According to Pathfinder Compatibility, you have to reference the Pathfinder Core Rulebook or you are in violation of the OGL. Paizo would have to release the Sci-Fi/Modern as a stand alone to be legit.
Not necessarily. Just using some of the skills from Pathfinder would be enough.
According to Pathfinder Compatibility, you have to reference the Pathfinder Core Rulebook or you are in violation of the OGL. Paizo would have to release the Sci-Fi/Modern as a stand alone to be legit.Not necessarily. Just using some of the skills from Pathfinder would be enough.
If you want the Pathfinder Compatibility logo on the book you would have to reference their sourcebook. Otherwise it is considered OGL.
Dredan is correct, TAD.
After seeing the main Pathfinder core book, I've full confidence in the Pathfinder guys ability to do a good PF Modern book and the d20 modern system could definitely do with an update.
(Sure, there's a few bits from the beta that I wish had been retained like the increased starting HP or the half-orcs but I can easily just add those in from the beta anyway)
What I'm saying is that I have 50$ for this project. Just tell me where to throw them and get crackin'.
Forgive me for not knowing Super Genius Games. I do however know the reputation of the designers mentioned.
No worries Travis. :) We're fairly new to Pathfinder publishing but you can see the products we've got available here:
http://paizo.com/store/downloads/otherWorldCreations
We also have products on RPGNow, which include a lot of books for systems like Call of Cthulhu, Savage Worlds, OGL 3.x, and RuneQuest.
Hyrum.
Forgive me for not knowing Super Genius Games. I do however know the reputation of the designers mentioned.No worries Travis. :) We're fairly new to Pathfinder publishing but you can see the products we've got available here:
http://paizo.com/store/downloads/otherWorldCreations
We also have products on RPGNow, which include a lot of books for systems like Call of Cthulhu, Savage Worlds, OGL 3.x, and RuneQuest.
Hyrum.
That is a nice list Hyrum, curious, are your illustrations done "in house" or is it freelance? Good stuff..
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mmmm some of the responses got me to thinking about what I want in Pathfinder Modern.
First I want it based upon the rules of Pathfinder. That is, same skills and feats (where appropriate) and combat. Money and equipment cost is the same (never liked the credit system of d20 Modern).
Base Classes should be generic enough to accommodate most genres from old west to sci fi, with Prestige Classes filling niches.
Psionics are an almost guaranteed necessity.
More than likely I would expect splat books to come out to flesh out genres. Put the core stuff in the Pathfinder Modern book and then fill out Old West, WWII, Pulp, Spy, Near Future, Supers, and Sci-Fi and others in splat books tailored for that genre.
Regardless if I expect it to be done well I would participate.
That is a nice list Hyrum, curious, are your illustrations done "in house" or is it freelance? Good stuff..
Thanks! We use a little of both actually, mainly freelance though.
Hyrum.
Add me to that list, though I wont be able offer money till latter.
If your serious about it, then consider me dead and buried in your corner.
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Forgive me for not knowing Super Genius Games. I do however know the reputation of the designers mentioned. I loved D20 Modern, and would love an updated/streamlined version in print. I'd participate, and potentially at a higher level than the $50 base one if it meant being able to get more involved with the project, assuming...
* it remains toolboxy enough to let me run everything from pulp action to gritty cyberpunk; and potentially even space campaigns of both the space opera and hard science genres.
* it is highly compatible with pathfinder. I have to be able to use monsters straight from the pathfinder source.
* it remains open enough to allow for solid 3rd party support.
+1
I'm in 100%!
Yes, absolutely, I do indeed concur wholeheartedly! Sure, a simple "yes" would have sufficed, but I didn't want there to be any chance of misunderstanding.
Where do I sign up and who do I make the check out to? Also, what color jumpsuits and what flavor Kool-Aid will there be?
Definitely count me in. Modern has been one of my favorite RPGs and settings, simply for it's feel and flexibility. I'd love to be a high-level patron for this.
According to Pathfinder Compatibility, you have to reference the Pathfinder Core Rulebook or you are in violation of the OGL. Paizo would have to release the Sci-Fi/Modern as a stand alone to be legit.
This doesn't have actually anything to do with the OGL. A publisher's content just has to have a certain level of compatibility under the terms of the PRGCL in order to use certain Paizo trademarks. What that amounts to is in order to claim 'Pathfinder compatibility' in your product, you need to follow the terms of the PRGCL. The OGL is only about how you can use open content from any game.
But back on topic...
Sign me up for a patron thingus.
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We are, indeed, all amazed and touched by the level of support this idea has garnered. While the holidays obviously slow down work at the office, we're drawing together what we need to move on to the next stage of this.
Not that any of that really matters to you all. We continue to welcome anyone interested to leap in and let us know, and feedback and comments are helpful too. We're working on our next big post/announcement, which could take a bit. (On the other hand the more support this idea gets, the more hours we'll put in, the faster you'll see the next step.)
But, yeah, wow. We're putting some hours in on the framework needed to actually go forward with this!
If your interested in assistance, Metal & Myth LLC wouldn't mind helping out considering our Campaign Setting is based off of Sci-Fi/Fantasy. We spent the last 6 years playtesting, writing, combining and refining the 3.5 version of our setting which was recently made Pathfinder Compatible. If your interested at all in how we can help email me, Contact author@dredan.com
We are, indeed, all amazed and touched by the level of support this idea has garnered. While the holidays obviously slow down work at the office, we're drawing together what we need to move on to the next stage of this.Not that any of that really matters to you all. We continue to welcome anyone interested to leap in and let us know, and feedback and comments are helpful too. We're working on our next big post/announcement, which could take a bit. (On the other hand the more support this idea gets, the more hours we'll put in, the faster you'll see the next step.)
But, yeah, wow. We're putting some hours in on the framework needed to actually go forward with this!
We would be happy to provide your company with a free copy of our Campaign setting for you to review to see if it is along the lines of your project. You will notice that alot of the rules governing Sci-Fi and fantasy are addressed in our setting and have been playtested. Let me know.
I just saw this recently and I have to say I am in. Just need to know when and where to send the money. I have heard great things about pathfinder, just haven't purchased it yet. I liked the D20 Modern system, and its flexiability. If this comes to pass all I have to say is
Dawning Star Pathfinder.
Salcor
I'm definitely interrested.
Sign me up! I love what you've done with 3.5e, so I want to see what you can do with modern/sci-fi rules. If you get this ball rolling, I'll throw my cash at it to increase its angular momentum. If we contribute cash in multiples of $50, do we get copies of the rulebook in multiples of 1?
I don't think traditional D&D style treasure/loot suits most modern scenarios, but I also wasn't really thrilled about the system in D20 Modern (did that idea first pop up in Trinity, was it? Trying to remember).
I'd prefer some sort of 'point system' for 'adventure relevant gear' and handwave the rest.
Frankly, most of the time, it really doesn't matter if one guy has a Ford F150 and the other guy has a Toyota Highlander. Big woopdedoo.
Owen,
I'd be down for some Pathfinder d20 Modern. Nothing says love like being able to toss white phosphorous grenades when you've run out of fireballs for the day.
Let me know if you want help with the firearms too. I had a job for a while as a arms dealer, so I can help with the firearms section if you want the help.
Byron
Hmmmmmmmmmmm....... no, not at this time.
That's not a rock solid no, so I'll explain where I'm coming from.
First, money is tight and I'm worried about being able to sustain my Golarion addiction. I feel its better to be honest with myself... I'm not sure where $50 would come from.
Secondly, these days I'm hesitant to pick up a core system of rules without a strong idea or inspiration of the type of game I would run with it. In that respect, I'm often drawn to settings and campaigns. For example, I love Eclipse Phase, not for its simple but elegant percentile system (which is pretty cool), but for the setting. Alternately, I'm not sure I love Shadowrun 4E's system, but I like the setting.
I don't know if I would be half as crazy for Pathfinder Core Rules if it weren't for Golarion. I mean, I know I like Pathfinder and always will, but right now I have cash set aside for the APG and GameMastery Guide.. and that has as much to do with the knowledge and desire that I'll be using those books to run games in Golarion. Otherwise, I already have the Core Book and the Bestiary.
Does that make sense?
It comes down to a simple question... "Hey do you want to buy these Core Rules?
And my answer is, "Maybe, what kind of game would I run or play with them?" When I'm on a budget I need a good answer to that.
Now one obvious answer is "any game you want to! You can make it up yourself!" That is a completely fair answer. It may not get me to buy the Core Rule Book any time soon, but it is a completely reasonable answer.
A Core Book without a definite product support is a decision I have to postpone until I know there is some product support.
I do wish you best of luck, and I'm not closing any doors. If my financial situation changes, I'll definitely keep it in mind.
I would be very supportive of your efforts.
Darth Frodo
I would be interested in this. Count me in for at least $50.
I'd be in at the $50 level. This has needed to be done for some time, and this model seems like a very safe, if slightly more expensive path.
On top of that, I'd be willing to do all the graphic layout production work for the book for free on my own time. I've got over 20 years experience as a professional graphic artist, and have done books as large as 220 pages. It's a lot of work, but I have the time and commitment to d20 Modern to follow through on it.
I'd be in at the $50 level. This has needed to be done for some time, and this model seems like a very safe, if slightly more expensive path.
On top of that, I'd be willing to do all the graphic layout production work for the book for free on my own time. I've got over 20 years experience as a professional graphic artist, and have done books as large as 220 pages. It's a lot of work, but I have the time and commitment to d20 Modern to follow through on it.
You ought to have a website up that displays your previous work like if it were a digital resume, so to speak -- and then provide 'em a link. Couldn't hurt.
I'm in, as is my fiance. Count this at +2.
I'm a big fan of d20 Modern, and I love Pathfinder as well. It seems like a perfect fit.
I'll be in at the $50 level at least; more depending on the various levels of sponsorship.
You ought to have a website up that displays your previous work like if it were a digital resume, so to speak -- and then provide 'em a link. Couldn't hurt.
What I have is not geared towards gaming stuff, but here it is, for the record:
I would love to see D20 modern get the Pathfinder upgrade. My hope is that it would be written generic enough to use in any "modern" setting - be it old west, modern military, future, whatever. I think magic and other special rules would be better served in splat books or campaign settings rather than consume valuable space in the core rulebook.
So I guess I'm in for the whole shebang - core rule books, splat books, campaign settings - provided the pricing is reasonable and the quality is held to Paizo's high standards.
Congrats on the great response to this idea. I'm interested in seeing where you go with it.
But, . . .
Obviously I am the only person who doesn't think this makes sense from my understanding of what d20 Modern is and what Pathfinder (itself basically a d20 subset) is.
No, I'm with you. I'm not sure how a person can reconcile Pathfinder and d20M. It sounds a bit like combining apples and oranges. And, even then, you'd still need to distinguish it from Spycraft.
Still, a Pathfinder approach to d20M that provided new core mechanics (i.e. CMB, revised skills and feats, etc.), that offered core classes with stronger starting abilities and better defined roles, that was easy for GMs to work with, and that retained d20M's flexibility could be interesting.
Count me in. Skortched Urf' Studios built it's bread and butter business supporting D20 Modern, I'd love to support a Pathfinder version!
Would it be possible to show a rough breakdown of what the $65,000-75,000 costs entail?
Would contributors, or contributors of a certain amount, be able to have any kind of creative input in the production process? (Or would creative input be "for free" a la the Pathfinder playtest?)
If for some reason the game could not be completed--an unfortunate but foreseeable possibility for a small company project--would contributors get a partial or full refund?
I don't mean to sound like a party pooper dissing what sounds like a very intriguing project. I hope my questions/concerns are reasonable?
Would it be possible to show a rough breakdown of what the $65,000-75,000 costs entail?
Would contributors, or contributors of a certain amount, be able to have any kind of creative input in the production process? (Or would creative input be "for free" a la the Pathfinder playtest?)
If for some reason the game could not be completed--an unfortunate but foreseeable possibility for a small company project--would contributors get a partial or full refund?
I don't mean to sound like a party pooper dissing what sounds like a very intriguing project. I hope my questions/concerns are reasonable?
I think it's a reasonable question. Some people would be upset to see a project funded only to see no return on their investment. I could do that with hedge funds. ;)
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Would it be possible to show a rough breakdown of what the $65,000-75,000 costs entail?
Would contributors, or contributors of a certain amount, be able to have any kind of creative input in the production process? (Or would creative input be "for free" a la the Pathfinder playtest?)
If for some reason the game could not be completed--an unfortunate but foreseeable possibility for a small company project--would contributors get a partial or full refund?
I don't mean to sound like a party pooper dissing what sounds like a very intriguing project. I hope my questions/concerns are reasonable?
Your questions are very, very reasonable.
We'll certainly address the concern of what happens if the game production is delayed because we were all hit by lightening, or some similar disaster, before we take anyone's money. It would take something like that to cause major delays, and I hope the reputation of Stan!, Hyrum and myself is enough to put most people at ease. However, I don't yet know what the answer regarding that type of disaster will be. Those are exactly the kinds of details we weren't going to work out unless people seemed interested in the project in general. We didn't want to take time away from creating our current popular line of small pdfs if no one seemed to want a Pathfinder Mordern game.
Now that the response has exceeded our expectations, that work is moving forward. We'll have some kind of answers before we put up the actual patron project pages. But right now one Genius is recovering from (planned) surgery, so new work has to wait until we're all back to full strength. (And the Genius who is down right now is our main money guy, so I couldn't even guess what plans he'll prepare, or may have already begun, until he's back at the grindstone.)
As for input, any full patron is going to have access to a set of boards where we'll set up regular reports, request feedback, and occasionally hold chats. While no one is guaranteed to have their idea taken in favor of anyone else's (there are going to be a lot of patrons, after all), we do expect the final form to be influenced by feedback from our patrons. We already take feedback from our customers, and react as quickly as we can, and would certainly not do less for people who put their money into our project in advance.
We're have an internal timetable for getting these details in place so we can actually open the project to patrons. The continuing interest shown here is valuable information, so we encourage anyone interested to post, and if you have questions to ask them. This is still on ongoing process, and this thread it still a hugely important part of our thinking. Indeed, the more interest keeps being shown here, the bigger a priority this becomes.