[Super Genius] How Much Do You Want A Pathfinder Modern Game?


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T'Ranchule wrote:

I admit I have a certain amount of caution on my part. I was one of the people who preordered BESM 3rd Edition a few years back and, well, once bitten twice shy.

I second this. BESM serves a niche, but it's not what I want to see as a base product for this.


Louis Agresta wrote:
I'd be interested. Would you stretch the project into Future as well?

I sure hope so! Given the collective minds here at SG and knowing that someone had a big hand in a certain sci-fi fantasy setting, I would be disappointed if it weren't covered.


Interested, oh so interested.


I would also be interested

Batts


Spread this to other places, folks. Tell your friends. Tell your significant others. Tell the Joneses so they can +1 you - just like they did with their outdoor holiday light decorations. Make this a viral meme. I command you! :P


Honestly, just tell me when you give you my money and I will.

How much do you think the patronage for getting an Iconic would be? Probably out of my price range, but one can hope.

Scarab Sages

Talonne Hauk wrote:
Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
So with that explanation, the question is: Do you see yourself committing money to the project in advance?
I would have to know that the core classes would be the same. While others may deride it, I found the "generic", and not occupation specific classes were far better for game flexibility. If that were to stay the same, I'd be all aboard.

This.


Definitely up for it! Count me in.


Pathfinder PF Special Edition Subscriber

You have my interest... I'll be watching.


I would definitely jump at the chance.

Grand Lodge

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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

As the guy who playtested the Executor Super star Destroyer against Mighty Cthulhu, I certainly have no intention of removing the ability to throw a pit fiend and the U.S Army into the ring of honor and have them duke it out. :D

I don't know I'd be happy for a game that made possible scenes like this Crowning Moment of Awesome from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Judge: Fool! No weapon forged can defeat me!
Buffy: That was then. [takes out the rocket launcher] This is now.
Drusilla and Angel run for cover as the Judge looks blankly.
Judge: What's that do?

Scarab Sages

That is a great moment in Buffy, and it is exactly the kind of thing I'd want to be able to do with a new modern d20 rpg.

And yeah, as author of d20 Cyberscape, co-author of Saga Star Wars, and someone with a ton of sci-fi material under my belt, I'd be looking at future too,

But I can't say in advance how much we'd get in the core rulebook. I know how much I'd -want- in there, but not everything from d20 Modern, d20 Future, Cyberscape, Chill, Superbuffyfringenatural, Highravencrowlander, and Stargatetrekwars Galactica is going to fit (and it's all been suggested).

One of the things we'd have to do very early on, before the writing got started, is plan a map. A map to outline everything we need to do, everything we want to do, and everything we think we can do. Then squeeze that down to a tome humans can carry and a printer and print. And that planning would takes weeks, maybe as long as a month.

So I can tell you now what I -want- to include, but until we actually begin the project, all I can say is our core desire is to build a updated, Pathfinderized, smooth and flexible platform, upon which mundane modern, high spy, urban fantasy, psychic wars, galaxy trek, and scooby gang campaigns can be run. I can't say how much of the stuff other than the core platform is going to fit in the core rulebook. "As much as we can get in there," and after that a promise to put out more after the first, but that's it.

Okay, guns. I promise to have rules for guns.


Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

That is a great moment in Buffy, and it is exactly the kind of thing I'd want to be able to do with a new modern d20 rpg.

And yeah, as author of d20 Cyberscape, co-author of Saga Star Wars, and someone with a ton of sci-fi material under my belt, I'd be looking at future too,

But I can't say in advance how much we'd get in the core rulebook. I know how much I'd -want- in there, but not everything from d20 Modern, d20 Future, Cyberscape, Chill, Superbuffyfringenatural, Highravencrowlander, and Stargatetrekwars Galactica is going to fit (and it's all been suggested).

One of the things we'd have to do very early on, before the writing got started, is plan a map. A map to outline everything we need to do, everything we want to do, and everything we think we can do. Then squeeze that down to a tome humans can carry and a printer and print. And that planning would takes weeks, maybe as long as a month.

So I can tell you now what I -want- to include, but until we actually begin the project, all I can say is our core desire is to build a updated, Pathfinderized, smooth and flexible platform, upon which mundane modern, high spy, urban fantasy, psychic wars, galaxy trek, and scooby gang campaigns can be run. I can't say how much of the stuff other than the core platform is going to fit in the core rulebook. "As much as we can get in there," and after that a promise to put out more after the first, but that's it.

Okay, guns. I promise to have rules for guns.

Well hopefully it is monstrously succcessful and you can simply provide supplementary material for the various styles of modern game. I would much rather you focus on setting up a solid core system to start then to try to do too much with one book.


Alzrius wrote:
I'd definitely be up for it.

I'm in


Yeah, I'd be interested. I liked d20 Modern (and d20 Future, as well), and the alterations made in Pathfinder work well for me and my group, so I'd likely drop the requisite $50 up front. I might even be able to convince the rest of my group to do so as well.


Okay, I'm in. (Silly of me to even have doubts.)
Think you could get Rodney Thompson to work on it?

Dark Archive

Count me in.

Scarab Sages

Talonne Hauk wrote:
Think you could get Rodney Thompson to work on it?

I doubt it. :D

I mean, I'd make the call. I LOVE working with Rodney. Even before he was in charge of the Star Wars line for WotC (and I worked with him on several books after that) we did Dragon Magic and Star Wars Saga Edition and some smaller stuff together. And I'm sure he'd love to get back into some d20 modern stuff.

But I honestly doubt the man has the time. If I'm wrong I'd scoop up any freelance hours he has in an instant, but running a game line at WotC is pretty time-consuming, and I beleive he's doing Dark Sun work too, now. So I just can't see him being able to squeeze any Modern writing into his work-day.

That said, there's a list of designers we'd love to get involved when this happens, and some of -them- are already contacting -us-. But there's no way to know who would be available until we have a set timetable. Hyrum, Stan! and myself are givens. Everyone else is a maybe.


Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

And yeah, as author of d20 Cyberscape, co-author of Saga Star Wars, and someone with a ton of sci-fi material under my belt, I'd be looking at future too,

So I can tell you now what I -want- to include, but until we actually begin the project, all I can say is our core desire is to build a updated, Pathfinderized, smooth and flexible platform, upon which mundane modern, high spy, urban fantasy, psychic wars, galaxy trek, and scooby gang campaigns can be run. I can't say how much of the stuff other than the core platform is going to fit in the core rulebook. "As much as we can get in there," and after that a promise to put out more after the first, but that's it.

Okay, guns. I promise to have rules for guns.

Sounds fair enough.

A couple of things.

I hope we'll eventually see what patronage tiers we will be looking at. I just want to make sure I'm allocating appropos from each paycheck into the venture. While it is good to have money up front, you know that there are some gamers out there that may be short on money but high on interest. I'd recommend:

1) Starting out with a base plan and then allow incremental upgrades in their patronage involvement if they wish to pay in. However, those increases should exceed a little bit more than those who pay up front all at once. The differences will cover any charges that may incur for VISA/PayPal/Whatever that wants to take a piece of the transaction.

2) Provide some means for people to 'gift' patronages to other individuals. Let's say that individual A, B, and C can't cough up the money, but are really wanting to get into the project and there are people interested in chipping in a buck here or a quid there that will eventually accummulate to a patronage level for admittance to certain levels of participation.

I have a couple more suggestions that may inject a brain worm into your heads that you may or may not have thought of for ways to attract patronage and outside support from other 3PPs if you want to really get this launched into the mindset of people. But that's something I'd probably e-mail you guys about. I can't get the info right now as I'm back at work for a day (or two) and heavily restricted on Internet access based on my current site project. If you, Stan! or Hyrum have a FB account and send me a friend invite, I'd be glad to fill in the blanks. The link is in my Paizo account profile.

Thanks for getting this into gears, guys! It'll make 2010 something to look forward to if this can actually launch into the first phase if the funding is available.


Actually if you offered a $10 or $15 tier that was effectively just a pre-order for a PDF without any input, you would get a LOT more baby tier people.

I would commit to a lower tier, but not a $50 tier. Especially since I don't really use Modern much, I would be more likely to do a Sci-Fi game with the PFM Rules. So $50 for something I may NEVER use is just too much.

I own no d20 Modern books, in fact I didn't like them, the wealth system is lame.

Grand Lodge

I am not going to be interested in just a d20 modern book. There is plenty of that out there. What I am looking for is a far future, sci fi game, with FTL travel, robots, lasers, FX, and a slew of other things I don't get to encounter in my everyday life and the like. If it is just going to be another rendition of how to play a character in current times, or a few years from now, I'll go ahead and jump ship.


Count me in as willing to patron it.

Just as long as it's going to get away from Ability score based classes and have real classes (soldier, scout, diplomat, etc.).


Yea!! I would be up for this as well!


El Mahdi wrote:

Count me in as willing to patron it.

Just as long as it's going to get away from Ability score based classes and have real classes (soldier, scout, diplomat, etc.).

2nd


I think a modern pathfinder would be great... meaning a modern game with the pathfinder system....

I would want that


Joseph Raiten wrote:

I think a modern pathfinder would be great... meaning a modern game with the pathfinder system....

I would want that

But are you willing to be a patron for it? That's what they're asking.


Xaaon of Korvosa wrote:
Joseph Raiten wrote:

I think a modern pathfinder would be great... meaning a modern game with the pathfinder system....

I would want that

But are you willing to be a patron for it? That's what they're asking.

you mean would I buy it? yes ... I would


Joseph Raiten wrote:
Xaaon of Korvosa wrote:
Joseph Raiten wrote:

I think a modern pathfinder would be great... meaning a modern game with the pathfinder system....

I would want that

But are you willing to be a patron for it? That's what they're asking.
you mean would I buy it? yes ... I would

Patron projects are give money to them to help pay for development and production costs, at upper levels you get to give input into the project. Then you get the product when it's released.


Count me in. I can set aside some money for this.


I guess my question is....why would you use WOTC d20 modern. It was an ok system but if your going to do a modern/Sci-Fi why not work it from one of the best Sci-Fi systems for d20 to date (personal opinion of course) Traveller. The Traveller's handbook has covered the d20 modern/future rules and they thought of everything.

The campaign setting we introduced (6 years in the making) Dredan Realm of Metal & Myth combined fantasy Pathfinder rules with future d20 Traveller rules in one setting. Before you go to deep in trying to flush out a Pathfinder modern/future system you might want to browse the Traveller's Handbook. The system isn't perfect, but you can basically design any equipment/vehicle or ship with their rules and it is d20 OGL. We worked with Far Future Enterprises and their OGL content and received permission to reference their Handbook in our Campaign setting. Even the rules, skills and feats were converted in the Campaign setting to assist the GM in running a setting that could have fantasy, modern and futuristic scenarios. This may seem like a plug for our setting, but like I said, we spent 6 years (since 03) on this setting and worked with WOTC and Far Future Enterprises (lawyers included) to bring this project to life. The only difference between what you might try to do....create a Pathfinder system based on modern or future rules spawning from d20 modern and what we have done is we didn't write the rules or make the system for the Campaign setting, we just used the rules from the two very different systems, Pathfinder and Traveller. If you think about it, there is no reason why if your doing a futuristic campaign, you might just venture across a planet that has "fantasy" based conditions. I would be happy to assist in this project because we currently play a fantasy/modern/futuristic Pathfinder campaign using the Dredan setting. I think you would have a more solid base of rules for Pathfinder Modern/future if you based it off of the Traveller system rather than D20 Modern (purely opinion).

I know I don't have the cred's like some of the other freelance companies but I do have the experience of converting classic d20 to Sci-Fi for many years. I would be happy to work or offer help in anyway that I can just because I like to have a game world where a character can do "anything". Going to the stars being one of them.

Humbly submitted
Dredan


This would be so great! Can't wait.

Sovereign Court

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I'm in. Unconditionally. Okay, one condition - it's got to be compatible with Pathfinder. But, yeah, I'm in.

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16

$50? I think I paid that much for my copy of Call of Cthulhu d20, and I've never actually run a CoC game, just mined it for stats and ideas.

I'd totally be in.


I'm in.


Count me in.


in for fity ;)

RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

I have all the d20 modern books printed except for Urban Arcana, put me down for revamped versions of any of them as long as they're solid products. So yeah, you have my $50.


I've been running a d20 modern game for about 8 months now and it has been alot of fun. It seems like it was designed for the characters to be somewhat weaker than their DnD counterparts. Multiclassing is encouraged (some say required) but when you do so your BAB suffers big time. Alot of the monsters seems weaker as well.

The biggest difference in the modern game seems to be how much skills are used and the fact that combat is avoided if possible. I know some of this has to do with the changes we made with hit points (we use a wound system similar to Unearthed Arcana) but we use skills ALOT which is great. I decided to have the PCs make gestalt characters and it has turned out well. They pretty much breeze through combats with normal NPCs but standard DnD monsters challenge them pretty well. Plus everyone has alot of skills so no one feels left out.

The other nice change is the absence of magic. It keeps the PCs from getting extreme in any one area so the game hasn't been a chore to run at all. Skills seem to be the most important aspect of a character which has been a welcome change. It's hard to believe we have a campaign going where there is no magic involved and no one has even noticed!

So in response to the question in the OP- count me in!

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I'm down. Count me as a patron.

Dark Archive

I'm in.

Depending on the different levels of patronage I'm interested in contributing more than the $50 mentioned.


I'm in as long as it's not just a plain 'modern' book. I love the Urban Arcana setting for d20 modern. If your product would end up having hefty magic and sci-fi chapters like a more to-the-point version of all the softcover expansions that came out for d20 modern, I'd love it long time.


Urizen wrote:
T'Ranchule wrote:

I admit I have a certain amount of caution on my part. I was one of the people who preordered BESM 3rd Edition a few years back and, well, once bitten twice shy.

I second this. BESM serves a niche, but it's not what I want to see as a base product for this.

Actually I was referring to the fact that Guardians of Order collapsed during the games development and my money was in limbo for six months or so.

But you're right: BESM, while a game I have great fondness for, is not d20 Modern and I wouldn't want it as the base product for this.


I would love to support this! Count me in...


I'd be all over this. Show me where to throw my cash, and I'll throw a whole pile.


I'd give it very serious consideration. $50 is probably something I could do. I might even be able to do more, depending on timing and what the perks are. I hope you go for it, because I think its very necessary.

Sovereign Court

Hi all -
As someone that put my money down for Darkquest Games' CyberStyle RPG days after 3.0 came out, purchased Living Room Games' Digital Burn and Mongoose's OGL CyberNet all in hopes of utilizing my need and desire for a replacement of Cyberpunk 2020 and Car Wars for an easy going system to merge with d20 and d20M - I'm all for a Pathfinder Modern version.

Owen has come a very long way in his writing and design credits and I liked what he's done on his own and with Green Ronin and now with Super Genius (is this the new The Game Mechanics of former WotC developers moving on for their own company?). With core credits in Star Wars Saga I believe he will be able to develop a new Modern RPG that brings the elements of all our favorite space and science fiction together (we may even have to implement EN World's Space Fight for some of the mechanics of utilizing space ship combat with Star Trek vs. Star Wars vs. Battlestar Galactica vs. Star Gate vs. Imperial Theocracy).

I'm on the patron project for Open Designs upcoming From Sea to Shore a Pathfinder source book. However, what trumped the card for me was that it will be considered official Pathfinder and not like so many of the OGL and d20 aspects from the day that are now utilizing the Pathfinder logo, which doesn't always declare quality or even real compatibility. Thus if this Patron Project will not only have the names of Owen and Stan! but those of Erik Mona and Jason Bulhman as contributors and patrons helping to make this fit in with the Pathfinder aspect that they've created I find that my desire for the project increasing.

Be Well. Be Well Upgraded.
Theocrat Issak


I could easily commit $200 to this project. That's how badly I want it.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32

I would definitely contribute to this project at least at the $100 level. How high above that I would go would come down to negotiations with She Who Must Be Obeyed, but I'd be willing to give up other major personal purchases to hit a higher level of patronage for this project.

Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:


...And yeah, as author of d20 Cyberscape, co-author of Saga Star Wars, and someone with a ton of sci-fi material under my belt, I'd be looking at future too...

I'm glad to hear you say this, because I can't really see myself using d20 modern for actual present-day stuff, but I really like the idea of using it for future/sci-fi campaigns. There's something I want even more, though: d20 past! The only time I ever used d20 modern was to run a WWII game using Bloodstone Press's Hell on Earth supplement. The campaign was OSS agents mixed up in Occult dealings--sort of Cryptonomicon meets Indiana Jones meets Hellboy. WWII is close enough to "modern" that it doesn't need a lot of modification, but I'd like to see these rules flexible enough to go back at least to the 19th century, preferably as far as the 17th century (the period of time when natural philosophy began it's evolution into modern science).


Lucas Jung wrote:
would come down to negotiations with She Who Must Be Obeyed

LOL - once again I find myself thankful I married a gamer!

I'm glad there are a lot of folks putting their interest down here. Lets make this happen!

Peace,

tfad


Dredan wrote:

I guess my question is....why would you use WOTC d20 modern. It was an ok system but if your going to do a modern/Sci-Fi why not work it from one of the best Sci-Fi systems for d20 to date (personal opinion of course) Traveller. The Traveller's handbook has covered the d20 modern/future rules and they thought of everything.

Bryan,

I do have your Pathfinder upgrade and I'm going to point out that you were indeed the first to get the sci-fi - fantasy out there. I still haven't had a chance to read it in depth due to RL, but I have printed the sucker out and intend to do so when I go on vacay for the holiday break. FWIW, you definitely should be around to throw in your weight in coin.

Spoiler:
P.S. if you have a FB acct, toss me an invite my way; mine is in my profile. I definitely want to follow your setting.

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