Am I the only one who is being forced to cut back on what they can buy because of the speed everything is coming out at?
I have a really good job, and I have no financial worries, so that is not the concern. It is literally the speed everything is coming out at.
I have been forced to cut back on my subscriptions (I was subrscribed to everything Pathfinde related) because I cannot grab up everything at once, now I feel like I am missing out on products as they come out. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing.
I'm not angry or anything, more like frustrated. I have plenty of disposable gaming money. I just cannot fathom how much money would be needed to get everything with the pathfinder stamp on it.
I know, I know. "You do not need to get everything just cause..."
I feel like I might be missing out on something if I do not. Look at the new Devils guide is going to have the diabolist prestige class for one. Can I get that anywhere else? What other products are going to have new spells, prestiges and the like that I cannot ge unless I buy THAT product?
Anyone agree? Disagree? Not care?
Am I the only one who is being forced to cut back on what they can buy because of the speed everything is coming out at?
I know, I know. "You do not need to get everything just cause..."
I feel like I might be missing out on something if I do not. Look at the new Devils guide is going to have the diabolist prestige class for one. Can I get that anywhere else? What other products are going to have new spells, prestiges and the like that I cannot get unless I buy THAT product?
My situation isn't the same as yours, but is related: I've felt compelled to expand my subscriptions to avoid missing out on spells, prestiges and more importantly articles on gods, dragons, and other "news of the world." The 20 major gods of Golarion get a half page of information each in the Campaign Setting; 2 pages each in Gods & Magic, but 6-8 pages each in an Adventure Path book.
I was originally subscribed only to the Adventure Paths, and planned to buy the core rules and bestiary at my local game store and leave it at that for the foreseeable future. But I ended up with a Core Rules subscription, then shortly after added the Chronicles line, then the Companion line.
I was trying to cut back on game/comic/book purchases due more to available shelf space than to costs, but the compulsion to have all the available information on the campaign world keeps pulling me in deeper.
"Addition is sad. This guy had PCP."
"You mean he was on PCP?"
"No, it's a psychofinancial disorder: Pathfinder Compelled Purchase."
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I've cut back as well - I was a superscriber at one point.
As Erik Mona said in another thread, Paizo don't expect all their customers to buy all their products.
My plan is to have a review each December of all the stuff I don't have, and if anything really grabs me then I'll have a special December "catch up" order.
And there's always the Wiki, if you feel like you are missing out on Golarion.
As Erik Mona said in another thread, Paizo don't expect all their customers to buy all their products.
Then Paizo should not produce such amazing quality. ;P
Anyone agree? Disagree? Not care?
I see all sides of the tale here, IMO. Paizo is putting out a lot of stuff, but it's not really as though they've expanded their lines beyond throwing out the Core and Bestiary. The rest have been there for a long time. However, there is a LOT of REALLY COOL stuff and I'm very Pokemon about getting it all. Which I can't. So, I leave myself running on the set that I can and go from there.
It's just that Paizo is so incredibly awesome overall. Best customer service in the industry. Best products in the industry (that play to MY needs, that is) and some of the best ideas for shiny things I've ever encountered. I wait with great anticipation for each announcement, and am rarely disappointed.
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And there's always the Wiki, if you feel like you are missing out on Golarion.
Can't edit for some reason (so am quoting myself!), but the Wiki is Wiki
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And there's always the Wiki, if you feel like you are missing out on Golarion.Can't edit for some reason (so am quoting myself!), but the Wiki is Wiki
I believe there is a 1 hour time limit to edit posts.
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We know that a pace that's "too much" for some is "too little" for many. But for now, we think we've pretty much settled on a pace that will satisfy the most people without overwhelming the most people—our editorial staff included! And for our Pathfinder lines, that comes down to three Pathfinder RPG products per year, one Adventure Path volume per month, Pathfinder Chronicles at a bit less than a monthly pace, Pathfinder Companion and Pathfinder Modules in alternating months, and two Pathfinder Society Scenarios in most months (with 4 modules in months with big conventions like Gen Con).
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Am I the only one who is being forced to cut back on what they can buy because of the speed everything is coming out at?
Anyone agree? Disagree? Not care?
I frankly have no problem with the number of releases.
I can't say I am thrilled with the SIZE of a number of the subscription books (companions/chronicles.)
But the way I look at it, I'm helping (by sub to all) fund the continued development of the "good stuff" like the Bestiary/PRPG/APG etc. So I'm ok getting a sub to everything and getting expensive small books. For now.
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It is overwhelming but what I am thinking is I'll have this stuff to read after I graduate in May 10'. Which means probably by May 11' I be caught up with all the reading and then the normal production schedule might be to slow. :O)
I am hoping to partake in the RPG at Gencon next year so I have started to pick those up as well.
Sean
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The amount of stuff coming out is ok - I even wish the module subscription went back to monthly. However, I must say that constantly shifting release schedules is very disheartening. I understand all kinds of factors play into why a product moves from month A to month B, but I've been a pretty loyal customer for quite awhile. There is a bit of a pattern here. Anyway, hopefully Sara Marie (assuming her title is accurate), the new editor, and the new interns will help get the ship sailing smoothly again - here's to hoping for the best!
I realized a year ago that I couldn't justify buying everything Pathfinder. The AP subscription was a bit of a stretch; Chronicles, et al would just be too much. Yeah, I wish I had the resources and time to get it all, but life's a byotch.
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I figure it will take our group 1 full year to play an adventure path. This means I will have an extra AP per year, not to mention the first three I have not tried yet. Mix in a couple dozen individual adventures and I have plenty to enjoy for years to come. In about ten years I should have enough stocked up to keep me busy in the retirement home another 20 years later.
If it were not for the sliding schedule, it may seem even faster. I am fine with it. As long as the quality is good, keep it coming. I need a good adventure path miniatures monthly subscription now.
Things are hectic right now, with those huge books they put out, but maybe it gets less hectic one day.
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Last month I got Item cards and AP #26. That's too much??? July was Zilch.
I hate it when everyone says they are coming out with too much but fail to look at the averages. I am happy to get a lot of products one month, because I never know when the next dry one is coming. Just dedicate a set amount of money to it each month. I promise you it will grow at times and shrink at others.
I'm personally glad to only be a player at this point. A $50+ CORE and $40+ for the Bestiary(must have animal companion info & fantastic art!), its seriously cutting into my movie funds. :D
I'm not even considering 'Companion' or 'Society' stuff at this point. Not in the budget. I'll save my money for their 1st splat book.
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With all of the work laden upon the shoulders of Lisa, Eric, James and crew, I am sure you could use some help. I will gladly quit my job and start working for you paizons. I only cost $52,000 a year plus benefits.
Don't you need someone to write and manage your line of Youth products and act as public relations for the schools? I can even write, direct and produce plays for you.....
Heh,heh, heh!
I can't say I am thrilled with the SIZE of a number of the subscription books (companions/chronicles.)
Meaning... you'd want them to increase in page count?
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I only cost $52,000 a year plus benefits.Heh heh heh indeed... I believe at that cost you're looking at the exact wrong industry to jump ship into.
But, by benefits he doesn't mean health and dental; he means a complimentary Second Darkness dice set and a personal avatar for the boards.
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But, by benefits he doesn't mean health and dental; he means a complimentary Second Darkness dice set and a personal avatar for the boards.
How did you know? I would also throw in my own Fat Jozka Plushie.....
How did you know? I would also throw in my own Fat Jozka Plushie.....
But, by benefits he doesn't mean health and dental; he means a complimentary Second Darkness dice set and a personal avatar for the boards.
I'd buy one. You look cool
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How did you know? I would also throw in my own Fat Jozka Plushie.....
But, by benefits he doesn't mean health and dental; he means a complimentary Second Darkness dice set and a personal avatar for the boards.
It's like I'm looking in the mirror.
There isn't a single more important thing being done at Paizo right now than a) getting back on schedule and b) staying on schedule.
-Lisa
Kudos for that, and once you get past this whole "core rules + bestiary edit; GenCon; office move" timing thing, the dropoff in shipping complaints will be huge.
As far as I can tell from the threads here, almost all the "delays" (in quotes to acknowledge comments upthread that a change in shipping date does not always constitute a meaningful delay: Oct 5th or Oct 25th, it's still shipping in October as promised) have been due to things largely or entirely outside Paizo's control.
And if one or two produce get pushed back because extra editing time is needed, that's good customer service, not bad. Six months from now no one will care what day their product shipped; errata, they'll remember.
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Six months from now no one will care what day their product shipped; errata, they'll remember.
I remember back in 09..... that's the turn of the 21st century, that is. Them folks at pizzo,,, no, I mean Patzi... Well, you know them Dungeons and Dinosaurs people... Hey, listen up. I ain't giving you your trick or treat until I'm done. Well.... What the hell was I talking about?
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As far as I can tell from the threads here, almost all the "delays" (in quotes to acknowledge comments upthread that a change in shipping date does not always constitute a meaningful delay: Oct 5th or Oct 25th, it's still shipping in October as promised) have been due to things largely or entirely outside Paizo's control.There isn't a single more important thing being done at Paizo right now than a) getting back on schedule and b) staying on schedule.
-Lisa
The list of things that can delay shipment is quite extensive. In the past we have suffered through:
Printer taking more time than normal to print something
Customs holding a shipment
The local delivery trucks delivering to the wrong place
Authors bailing on us at the last second
Authors delivering a manuscript that has to be substantially rewritten
Artwork not arriving by the due date
Artists bailing at the last second
Editors being sick
Editors quiting and us not being able to hire a replacement fast enough
GenCon (I know, we know about this in advance, but it still messes up the schedule)
Christmas (ditto. It is not like extra work days appear to replace the holiday ones)
Moving the office
Putting out the last issues of Dragon and Dungeon while simultaneously having to put out the AP and modules
I am sure I am missing some, but you get the idea. There are a lot of moving pieces and while we are trying to work towards a time when we are far enough ahead that simple things like a convention or holidays won't blow the schedule. But that isn't a place that you can get to quickly. Baby steps. Baby steps.
-Lisa
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I am sure I am missing some, but you get the idea.
How could you forget Snowpocalypse!?
If only there was some way to arrange that "the wrong place" was my house.
You say that now. But when pallets and pallets of the same book show up in your garage, I think you'll think twice about subverting deliveries to Paizo.
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I am sure I am missing some, but you get the idea.How could you forget Snowpocalypse!?
If only there was some way to arrange that "the wrong place" was my house.You say that now. But when pallets and pallets of the same book show up in your garage, I think you'll think twice about subverting deliveries to Paizo.
Is Seoni on the cover? 'Cause I could wallpaper my house like that.
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However, I must say that constantly shifting release schedules is very disheartening.+1
And I speak for the whole staff when I say that. There isn't a single more important thing being done at Paizo right now than a) getting back on schedule and b) staying on schedule.
-Lisa
I have to say that the delays in schedule is not a big issue for me; we waited the rulebook for almost two years, so what is a couple more months on top of that? Besides, in general, if I have to choose between getting a book a month earlier or a month later but with another "round" of editing and spellchecking, I definitely choose the latter.
As for the "too-much-too-fast" thing, I disagree with the OP; GameMastery Guide, NPC Guide, and other upcoming books are all optional expansions or GM aids. If they were published within the same month, I'd agree, but a book per two months or so is definitely not "too fast" for me -- let alone if you're not going to pick every book published for PF RPG.
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I am sure I am missing some, but you get the idea.How could you forget Snowpocalypse!?
If only there was some way to arrange that "the wrong place" was my house.You say that now. But when pallets and pallets of the same book show up in your garage, I think you'll think twice about subverting deliveries to Paizo.
Yeah, I forgot Snowpocalypse last year! And how about the two weeks that our power was out in December the year before? Mother nature can be cruel sometimes.
As for diverting shipments to your house, realize that we will expect you to mail out all the subscription shipments yourself and will be forwarding all the complaints we get to you. :)
-Lisa
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What disturbs me the most is that I simply cannot afford to subscribe to the RPG-line. And that's not even Paizo's fault: it's because of the shipping costs.
At least there's hope that I'll soon be able to subscribe to the Chronicles and/or the Planet Stories line. And man, I hope that I won't have to decide between the two of them.
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What disturbs me the most is that I simply cannot afford to subscribe to the RPG-line. And that's not even Paizo's fault: it's because of the shipping costs.
At least there's hope that I'll soon be able to subscribe to the Chronicles and/or the Planet Stories line. And man, I hope that I won't have to decide between the two of them.
Have you checked that lately? Shipping costs were high on the Core Rulebook because it weighs over 4 pounds, but future releases in the line will be slimmer. And if you combine shipping with your other subs, things like the GM screen won't increase your shipping fee much—if at all.
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Yeah, I forgot Snowpocalypse last year! And how about the two weeks that our power was out in December the year before? Mother nature can be cruel sometimes.As for diverting shipments to your house, realize that we will expect you to mail out all the subscription shipments yourself and will be forwarding all the complaints we get to you. :)
-Lisa
Deal. But I get Cosmo.
... hehehe ...
We'll show him a snowpocalypse to write home about!
Am I the only one who is being forced to cut back on what they can buy because of the speed everything is coming out at?
I have a really good job, and I have no financial worries, so that is not the concern. It is literally the speed everything is coming out at.
I have been forced to cut back on my subscriptions (I was subrscribed to everything Pathfinde related) because I cannot grab up everything at once, now I feel like I am missing out on products as they come out. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing.
I'm not angry or anything, more like frustrated. I have plenty of disposable gaming money. I just cannot fathom how much money would be needed to get everything with the pathfinder stamp on it.
I know, I know. "You do not need to get everything just cause..."
I feel like I might be missing out on something if I do not. Look at the new Devils guide is going to have the diabolist prestige class for one. Can I get that anywhere else? What other products are going to have new spells, prestiges and the like that I cannot ge unless I buy THAT product?Anyone agree? Disagree? Not care?
I have pretty much the opposite opinion - it feels slow for me, so much so that (now my backordering is all done) I've started padding out my RPG collection with other systems/campaign material I'll probably never play or use.
I suspect I'm in a minority, but Paizo products seem ridiculously cheap to me (not even accounting for a premium due to the quality of product). It would suit me if they'd increase the price and use the extra funds to solve what bottlenecks they could. Not that I'm particularly lobbying for such, but since you asked. :)
I am sure I am missing some
I can think of a few more:
Need I say more? Here, have this Sacrificial Dagger of the Netherworld. I think it can help you.
The local delivery trucks delivering to the wrong place
Well, postal workers sometimes have the uncanny ability to screw things up beyond human comprehension.
For example, our company's name is similar to a somewhat more widely known one's, so one postal genius decided that the poor bastard who sends us a job application got the name wrong. And the whole address. So they deliver it to the wrong company.
By the time the other company got around to view its mail, see that it was wrong, got it back, and the postal lemmings decided to do something bonkers and tried the address the guy supplied. And lo and behold! It actually arrived. Only one or two weeks too late to be considered for the job (and he'd have had the job had his application arrived on time).
Luckily for that poor bastard, one of the guys we hired left a couple of weeks later and we took him aboard. Probably saved the life of a lot of mailmen.
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Have you checked that lately? Shipping costs were high on the Core Rulebook because it weighs over 4 pounds, but future releases in the line will be slimmer. And if you combine shipping with your other subs, things like the GM screen won't increase your shipping fee much—if at all.
Haven't checked it lately but thanks for the update, Vic. I'd really like to add some titles to my header. Rulebooks aren't a major concern for me, so they probably still have to wait until I have Chronicles , Modules and Planet Stories under my hat, but I have to admit that Paizo's working hard to change my mindset in this regard. :)
My situation isn't the same as yours, but is related: I've felt compelled to expand my subscriptions to avoid missing out on spells, prestiges and more importantly articles on gods, dragons, and other "news of the world." The 20 major gods of Golarion get a half page of information each in the Campaign Setting; 2 pages each in Gods & Magic, but 6-8 pages each in an Adventure Path book.
I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again....
The AP's should contain AP specific material only.
Detailed info on Gods should be in the Gods & Magic book etc etc.
Isn't that what Companion and Chronicles are for? not to mention the PFRPG stuff.
How can an AP give more detailed info on a God than the God book does???
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I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again....The AP's should contain AP specific material only.
Detailed info on Gods should be in the Gods & Magic book etc etc.
Isn't that what Companion and Chronicles are for? not to mention the PFRPG stuff.
How can an AP give more detailed info on a God than the God book does???
i believe you answered your own question, sirrah. A particular author may need to focus on a particular God, or race, or character class, or whatever they deem necessary to flush out the AP. Six pages of info on Nethys may not be necessary for an AP in Varisia, however, the God may come to prominence in an AP in Absalom. Paizo is wise to leave grey areas for the authors and for us as DMs. It gives room for future growth and present creativity.
How can an AP give more detailed info on a God than the God book does???
Because the god book only has 2 pages allocated to each god (as the Chronicles line is always 64 pages, 20 major gods x 2 pages = 40 pages, plus room for info on the lesser gods), whereas the AP can devote 6, 8, or even 10 pages to a god article that is especially relevant to that AP. Iomedae and Asmodeus are particularly associated with Council of Thieves, for example, so they get big writeups that can go into more detail than Gods and Magic.
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If only there was some way to arrange that "the wrong place" was my house.You say that now. But when pallets and pallets show up in your garage, I think you'll think twice about subverting deliveries to Paizo.
I'm sorry, but which subscription do I need to get a pallet of Seonis ?
And how much would I need to feed them ?
Am I the only one who is being forced to cut back on what they can buy because of the speed everything is coming out at?
I have a really good job, and I have no financial worries, so that is not the concern. It is literally the speed everything is coming out at.
I have been forced to cut back on my subscriptions (I was subrscribed to everything Pathfinde related) because I cannot grab up everything at once, now I feel like I am missing out on products as they come out. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing.
I'm not angry or anything, more like frustrated. I have plenty of disposable gaming money. I just cannot fathom how much money would be needed to get everything with the pathfinder stamp on it.
I know, I know. "You do not need to get everything just cause..."
I feel like I might be missing out on something if I do not. Look at the new Devils guide is going to have the diabolist prestige class for one. Can I get that anywhere else? What other products are going to have new spells, prestiges and the like that I cannot ge unless I buy THAT product?Anyone agree? Disagree? Not care?
You don't have to get everything right away. Patience and all that.
You haven't said why you have to cut back though, it's not like there is a time limit on books when they get to your house.
Because the god book only has 2 pages allocated to each god (as the Chronicles line is always 64 pages, 20 major gods x 2 pages = 40 pages, plus room for info on the lesser gods), whereas the AP can devote 6, 8, or even 10 pages to a god article that is especially relevant to that AP. Iomedae and Asmodeus are particularly associated with Council of Thieves, for example, so they get big writeups that can go into more detail than Gods and Magic.
Do you have a write up on Pharasma scheduled for any-time soon....?
She is one of the few gods I haven't been able to put into context.
Her followers have NG - NE and CN-LN alignment issues. I am not sure how her clergy works.
She does not allow the use of undead but has death as a domanain and its powers involve creating undead.
She is the goddess of prophecy but there a "service not available due to technical problems" signal.
I think she needs some attention. Pretty Please with mountains of sugar on top.
How can an AP give more detailed info on a God than the God book does???Because the god book only has 2 pages allocated to each god (as the Chronicles line is always 64 pages, 20 major gods x 2 pages = 40 pages, plus room for info on the lesser gods), whereas the AP can devote 6, 8, or even 10 pages to a god article that is especially relevant to that AP. Iomedae and Asmodeus are particularly associated with Council of Thieves, for example, so they get big writeups that can go into more detail than Gods and Magic.
That's all well and good but if someone doesn't buy the AP's they get shafted in the info stakes for Gods... imo, that's plain wrong.