Sebastian's posts are fair game regardless.Can I flag Sebastian's post for sloppy BBC coding?Is that an opinion or fact ... ;)
Sebastian the force is against you padawan.
Thanks a lot, you just pushed me over to the dark side. Good work.
Um, you never left the dark side.
Sebastian's posts are fair game regardless.Can I flag Sebastian's post for sloppy BBC coding?Is that an opinion or fact ... ;)
I agree!
Thanks a lot, you just pushed me over to the dark side. Good work.Just? As if...
Egggsssactly!
Do it for charity.
There's no such thing as a free lunch.
There's no such thing as a free lunch.Bullcrap!
Zombie + overpopulated city = a s@%& load of free lunches
:)
ROLLING...
However the zombies pay by being undead and the lunches pay by being eaten alive and perhaps becoming zombies themselves.
And zombies still do not react well to things that go boom or swish\thump.
It's important for me to point out that since Gary put the flagging system in place, our moderation has almost entirely been the direct result of YOU, the community, using that flagging system. Those of you who draw a hard line between community self-moderation and the few Paizo employees (my self included) who take a little time each day to mod the boards, are drawing a line between two things that are already intermingled. You, the community, ARE self-moderating--when you don't like something, when you think something violates the rules, when you think something is illegal, you flag it and move on. We check the flags, act on the ones that we feel need to be acted on, and then we move on. We facilitate, in most cases, the community's desire to see a post cleared or a thread cleaned up or, sometimes, a thread's lock-down or removal. I love the flagging system. Why? Because I don't have to read everything anymore. You, the community, decide what to bring to our attention (99.9% of the time) and we act on that in a way that considers both Paizo's needs (good, clean, fun, messageboards where people aren't jerks) and the needs of the community.
We're not huddled in the dark around our monitors every hour of every day reading every post in every thread hoping, WAITING, with bated breath, to find a post that we can crush like the kings of old. Instead, we let you be you and moderate when you ask us to. :-)
phantom posts are spreading.
We're not huddled in the dark around our monitors every hour of every day reading every post in every thread hoping, WAITING, with bated breath, to find a post that we can crush like the kings of old. Instead, we let you be you and moderate when you ask us to. :-)
Uh huh, that's what they all say ... ;)
OOh OOh, I got one - flash the lights and siren.
Thinks about pulling the fire (flag) alarm and run really fast so they don't catch me... hmmm???
We're not huddled in the dark around our monitors every hour of every day reading every post in every thread hoping, WAITING, with bated breath, to find a post that we can crush like the kings of old.Whoa! It's like he's got a camera in my house.
They are studying zombies.
Dawn of the Dead - a good flick
Stuff about flagging and being a good citizen.
Seems like it's worked pretty well to me. Nobody's going to be happy with everything all the time, but I can't imagine how anyone could come out with a fairer, more practical system. Above all, the Spice must flow.
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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It's important for me to point out that since Gary put the flagging system in place, our moderation has almost entirely been the direct result of YOU, the community, using that flagging system. Those of you who draw a hard line between community self-moderation and the few Paizo employees (my self included) who take a little time each day to mod the boards, are drawing a line between two things that are already intermingled. You, the community, ARE self-moderating--when you don't like something, when you think something violates the rules, when you think something is illegal, you flag it and move on. We check the flags, act on the ones that we feel need to be acted on, and then we move on. We facilitate, in most cases, the community's desire to see a post cleared or a thread cleaned up or, sometimes, a thread's lock-down or removal. I love the flagging system. Why? Because I don't have to read everything anymore. You, the community, decide what to bring to our attention (99.9% of the time) and we act on that in a way that considers both Paizo's needs (good, clean, fun, messageboards where people aren't jerks) and the needs of the community.
We're not huddled in the dark around our monitors every hour of every day reading every post in every thread hoping, WAITING, with bated breath, to find a post that we can crush like the kings of old. Instead, we let you be you and moderate when you ask us to. :-)
Flagged for being abusive!!!
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I just happened to try this last night....story too long and uninteresting.....it wasn't bad.Peanut butter mayonaise...
My mom used to make these for lunch all the time, no matter how many times I told her I didn't like them, my brother and she however did. Other interesting penut butter sandwiches I've had in my day that I actually like
Peanut butter and pickle, this one is actually really good, you get sandwich slices of dill pickles (not sweet pickles).
Peanut butter and popcorn, also surprisingly good, and crunchy.
Flagged for being abusive!!!
Silly little pony lawyer.
Flagged for being abusive!!!Silly little pony lawyer.
Poor My Little Pony Sebastian - he always picked on.
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We're not huddled in the dark around our monitors every hour of every day reading every post in every thread hoping, WAITING, with bated breath, to find a post that we can crush like the kings of old.Whoa! It's like he's got a camera in my house.
Hmm that would explain the weird whirling noise coming from the strange hanging ornament with wires in my room as well.
Got almighty, out of all the stupid parts of Episode I, the whole x leads to y, y leads to z, z leads to the DARK SIDE! crap has to be one of the stupidest.
THAT'S the stupidest part?!?
Not Jar Jar Binks?!?
Not Annakin fumbling through the war and doing everything exactly perfectly by accident?!?
It's important for me to point out that since Gary put the flagging system in place, our moderation has almost entirely been the direct result of YOU, the community, using that flagging system.
This post makes me curious enough to want to hit "Flag" to some random post, just to see what the interface is like. I don't ACTUALLY want to flag anything, though. If I just hit "Flag" will the site take me to some function that I can cancel out of? Or will it automatically flag the message in a way I can't revoke?
I'm not even sure I should bother posting this message. If someone responds "Yeah, go ahead and hit Flag. Trust me." how will I know it's not a joke?
This post makes me curious enough to want to hit "Flag" to some random post, just to see what the interface is like. I don't ACTUALLY want to flag anything, though. If I just hit "Flag" will the site take me to some function that I can cancel out of? Or will it automatically flag the message in a way I can't revoke?
I'm not even sure I should bother posting this message. If someone responds "Yeah, go ahead and hit Flag. Trust me." how will I know it's not a joke?
There is an option under 'flag' for 'Just wanted to test the flagging system.' for exactly this reason. Or you can just refuse to select anything.
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It's important for me to point out that since Gary put the flagging system in place, our moderation has almost entirely been the direct result of YOU, the community, using that flagging system.This post makes me curious enough to want to hit "Flag" to some random post, just to see what the interface is like. I don't ACTUALLY want to flag anything, though. If I just hit "Flag" will the site take me to some function that I can cancel out of? Or will it automatically flag the message in a way I can't revoke?
I'm not even sure I should bother posting this message. If someone responds "Yeah, go ahead and hit Flag. Trust me." how will I know it's not a joke?
There's actually a flagging option that reads that you're just playing with the system.
As to the OP, let me chime in with some support for the moderation that was done. The deleted posts weren't IMO funny or clever. They were extremely juvenile, and I can entirely relate to a business that does not want to draw in googlers who saw those topics as being discussed on Paizo.
I'm not even sure I should bother posting this message. If someone responds "Yeah, go ahead and hit Flag. Trust me." how will I know it's not a joke?
Warning you will be flogged and flogged again.
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It's important for me to point out that since Gary put the flagging system in place, our moderation has almost entirely been the direct result of YOU, the community, using that flagging system.This post makes me curious enough to want to hit "Flag" to some random post, just to see what the interface is like. I don't ACTUALLY want to flag anything, though. If I just hit "Flag" will the site take me to some function that I can cancel out of? Or will it automatically flag the message in a way I can't revoke?
I'm not even sure I should bother posting this message. If someone responds "Yeah, go ahead and hit Flag. Trust me." how will I know it's not a joke?
It lets you select a reason; one of those reasons is "I just wanted to try flagging." Another reason should be "Sebastian is talking;" they haven't put that in yet though.
Huh...all those posts weren't there a second ago.....
We snuck in under your nose. I think your werewolf nose is brokey... lol
There is an option under 'flag' for 'Just wanted to test the flagging system.' for exactly this reason. Or you can just refuse to select anything.
There's actually a flagging option that reads that you're just playing with the system.
Thanks.
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Well, since I pretty much don't mind being banned any more (which seems like a very possible result of voicing my concerns), I'll be the one to ask:
Entire threads are now disappearing without any kind of notice. FROM THE OFF-TOPIC board. Why? I suppose because they discussed accusations about a media figure, which is now (apparently) forbidden, but I can only guess, because NO ONE IS SAYING. Stuff just disappears.
Irrespective of the merits (or lack thereof) of a given thread, just removing stuff wholesale, and without notice, is anathema to a healthy message board. Please stop before these boards lose all value as a discussion forum.
The two threads struck me as potentially libelous, and so it seemed eminently sensible for their removal. I don't agree with all the moderation that goes on, but I agree with the vast majority of it, and it's Paizo's website and they can do what they like. They owe no duty to us to allow us to voice what we think, and we are guests on their property. Acting like you have some right here is pretty dumb.
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The real problem is two fold. One, the moderators feel this is a normal message board. It is not, it belongs to a company and therefore most of us are paying customers and no company should ever correct customers unless that person is totally absurd and very offensive that would earn the company a law suit or a major loss of business. Being frustrated and blunt over a 3rd party may or may not be an area of correction. Using certain words to correct customer actions shouldn't be used.
We don't pay to use the messageboards - they are offered free as a corollory to the online shop. You can use the message boards and buy absolutely nothing from Paizo.
...it's Paizo's website and they can do what they like. They owe no duty to us to allow us to voice what we think, and we are guests on their property. Acting like you have some right here is pretty dumb.
Message boards have been around for a while, and the most successful ones seem to adhere to a pretty common set of best moderation practices. I am simply pointing out that removing stuff wholesale, and without notice, isn't one of those best practices (and for good reason).
In any event, I have NO IDEA how you read a sense of entitlement into what was said.
In any event, I have NO IDEA how you read a sense of entitlement into what was said.
I'm didn't see that [sense of entitlement] in the post, although I did see a number of things that provoked a, "Huh?"-type reaction. Like announcing that you were likely going to be banned from the Paizo forums for having a complaint.
Chief Technical Officer
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Libel standards for public figures are pretty lax, under US law.
True enough... but, for the sake of discussion, let's say we're in a position where we're asking the question "can we get our nuts sued off?" The legal answer to the question may indeed be "probably not," but the *responsible* answer is to avoid the situation where you have to ask the question in the first place.
Libel standards for public figures are pretty lax, under US law.True enough... but, for the sake of discussion, let's say we're in a position where we're asking the question "can we get our nuts sued off?" The legal answer to the question may indeed be "probably not," but the *responsible* answer is to avoid the situation where you have to ask the question in the first place.
True. Very true.
True enough... but, for the sake of discussion, let's say we're in a position where we're asking the question "can we get our nuts sued off?" The legal answer to the question may indeed be "probably not," ...
You do not know Buckwheet's attorneys.
I'm didn't see that [sense of entitlement] in the post, although I did see a number of things that provoked a, "Huh?"-type reaction. Like announcing that you were likely going to be banned from the Paizo forums for having a complaint.
A few weeks ago, I had a post removed (still no idea why), so I went away for a bit. The very first time I came back, pretty much the first thread I posted in was deleted wholesale. It seemed to me that dissent of any kind was likely to be met with deletion, and eventually outright banning when I didn't take the hint.
I'm glad to see I was wrong.
I took a step back too and realized Paizo was letting vent a little but they in the end I compromised silently with them. I got off my soap box and they didn't ban me while I was on the war path.
And how come we can not derail this dismal thread?!
Here is some hot chocolate from my Momma's basement
We can't move on if we keep beating a dead horse ... :)
Well the problem is that since they were removed a lot of people do not know what the title of the threads were.
There are still threads to evidence the comments I've made.
It's important for me to point out that since Gary put the flagging system in place, our moderation has almost entirely been the direct result of YOU, the community, using that flagging system.
Your comment marginalizes the responsibility you have to exercise good judgment, Joshua. It is the result of us only insofar as we save you the time of pouring through the boards. We attract your attention to potential trouble. That does not mean you should leap in and generalize about threads, it does not excuse lock-down based on personal taste, it does not justify hot-headed replies, and it does not justify kicking at someone's reasonable freedom of expression.
As most of the excesses I've seen involve you, Joshua, it belies your righteous air that you are trying to brush off the responsibility you have assumed by accepting moderation responsibility here... accepted ith zeal, I may add.
Now you may continue as you are going. It's Paizo's business--I'm just one customer and my copper pieces probably don't matter much to you. I think I clearly articulated my concerns and I'm done with this--here they are in summary just in case you missed them: (1) moderator judgment and conduct is a model to the posters on these boards and (2) even-handedness is the best way to keep people on these boards, losing neither one side of an issue nor the other.
Based on those concerns I give you 2.5 out of 5 stars for moderation so far, Joshua. You lost a half a point by trying to dodge the responsibility you have assumed--it sets a bad example for Paizonians.