Pages 154-155 book.
Do you halve the weight of the item before or after you price it by weight? It seems like it would be after (since that is the order it is written in) but that would make a masterwork mithral dagger (or spiked gauntlet) cost +250gp. Then again not halving the weight first makes short swords through greatswords more expensive than they are probably worth.
Price the item based on its weight pre-mithral state (IE: before halving).
Your God of Knowledge,
Nethys
I would have to agree with Lord Nethys that the text would indicate to price according to normal weight.
I am less sure that was the intent however.
Making a small mithral dagger costs 252 gp, and it's masterwork. Basically any weapon weighing half-a-pound is better to just make out of mithral.
Nethys wrote: Price the item based on its weight pre-mithral state (IE: before halving).
Your God of Knowledge,
Nethys
Deussu wrote: Making a small mithral dagger costs 252 gp, and it's masterwork. Basically any weapon weighing half-a-pound is better to just make out of mithral. This also leads to some "funniness" in the opposite direction. For example, a short spear weighs 3 pounds. But only the head would actually be Mithral.
CRB wrote: Items not primarily of metal are not meaningfully affected by being partially made of mithral. so there is no benefit to make a spear from mithral.
So what your saying Brf is that all polearms cant benefit from special materials since all polearms are not primarily of metal.
Jacob Saltband wrote: So what your saying Brf is that all polearms cant benefit from special materials since all polearms are not primarily of metal. That is what I am reading, but this is case where the RAW do not make logical sense.
Not all "special materials", just Mithral.
The benefit of Mithral is to make the weapon lighter. If the weight of the weapon is primarily of wood, then the mithral weapon would not be much lighter.
Brf wrote: Not all "special materials", just Mithral.
The benefit of Mithral is to make the weapon lighter. If the weight of the weapon is primarily of wood, then the mithral weapon would not be much lighter.
Well, now it's both lighter and can overcome DR/silver.
Wrong John Silver wrote: Brf wrote: Not all "special materials", just Mithral.
The benefit of Mithral is to make the weapon lighter. If the weight of the weapon is primarily of wood, then the mithral weapon would not be much lighter. Well, now it's both lighter and can overcome DR/silver. Yeah, no one really cares about making the weapon lighter. :) DR/silver is surprisingly common.
DR/silver? Where does it say that?
Oops. I see it. Next sentence down from "Items not primarily of metal are not meaningfully affected by being partially made of mithral."
Brf wrote: DR/silver? Where does it say that?
Oops. I see it. Next sentence down from "Items not primarily of metal are not meaningfully affected by being partially made of mithral."
It's easy to miss. In 3.5 mithral did not overcome DR/silver.
This thread is 5 years old.
Since then an FAQ has been posted explaining how to price out Mithral items.
It's rarely necessary to necro threads as old as this.
Nefreet wrote: This thread is 5 years old.
Since then an FAQ has been posted explaining how to price out Mithral items.
It's rarely necessary to necro threads as old as this.
Probably not necessary, but I still learned something. I had no idea mithral weapons worked on DR/Silver!
Nefreet wrote: This thread is 5 years old.
It's rarely necessary to necro threads as old as this.
There's been a lot of that today :)
Interesting to see my post. Still don't agree with that intent, but it certainly was the rule.
Fromper wrote: Nefreet wrote: This thread is 5 years old.
Since then an FAQ has been posted explaining how to price out Mithral items.
It's rarely necessary to necro threads as old as this. Probably not necessary, but I still learned something. I had no idea mithral weapons worked on DR/Silver! Have you never looked in the Core Rulebook?
Be nice Nef - it's a new rule (as of 2009) - lots of people don't know silver bludgeoning weapons don't subtract 1 damage either.
I just don't see how, if you've been playing this game for years, one wouldn't know how a special material from the CRB worked.
The CRB is 500 pages long. I don't have the whole thing memorized. And when I'm reading a section on something I think I know, I tend to just skim looking for the answer to the specific question I'm looking for (which in the case of mithral is usually the cost).
Nefreet wrote: This thread is 5 years old.
Since then an FAQ has been posted explaining how to price out Mithral items.
It's rarely necessary to necro threads as old as this.
There needs to be a reason?
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The Thread Necromancer wrote: Nefreet wrote: This thread is 5 years old.
Since then an FAQ has been posted explaining how to price out Mithral items.
It's rarely necessary to necro threads as old as this. There needs to be a reason? Go back to your crypt!!
Nefreet wrote: I just don't see how, if you've been playing this game for years, one wouldn't know how a special material from the CRB worked. It's a special material that is usually too expensive for a low-level character, and is then superseded by magic weapons nearly immediately afterward.
Furthermore, in previous editions, since mithral didn't overcome DR/silver, its use was kept mainly for armor and armor alone--where its value remains even when magic armor becomes affordable.
Therefore, the chance of naturally coming across a mithral weapon is quite low, and in most campaigns, relatively pointless. Thus, there is no reason for most players and GMs to revise their knowledge of mithral over 3.5.
I would disagree. I have upgraded to a mithril weapon to remove the -1 to hit/dmg and still have the silver bypass on DR. I try to get a weapon of each material. As an investigator and Sleepless Detective, one can never be to prepared.
No, it's not that. Once you know about it, you know enough to use it. But if you don't know about it, there's isn't much to happen to make you learn the rule.
Nefreet wrote: I just don't see how, if you've been playing this game for years, one wouldn't know how a special material from the CRB worked. Never had reason to care?
About special materials?
So you've never made anything from Adamantine, or Cold Iron?
Every item you've ever had was just plain old steel?
Another point is mithral has a higher hardness then steel. For those times when your gm goes sunder crazy.
Nefreet wrote: About special materials?
So you've never made anything from Adamantine, or Cold Iron?
Every item you've ever had was just plain old steel?
No, I actually knew about adamantine. Never really had reason to make anything from mithral except some mithral daggers I use only for wreath of blades, and I don't even know whether I've encountered anything with DR/silver. Mostly play casters, mostly doing control rather than direct damage. Never used cold iron, I don't think.
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