RotRL hardcover?


Rise of the Runelords


I know this has probably been answered a zillion times, but bear with me: is a Rise of the Runelords hardcover in the works? I really like the Shackled City hardcover; too bad that Savage Tide/Age of Worms are extremely unlikely to get the treatment.

Sovereign Court

No.

Paizo staff have said on many occasions that they're not going to do hardbacks.

However, they have been more sympathetic to the idea of slipcases for each of your six softbacks.


Thanks for the quick reply! I guess it's probably because the Pathfinder issues are "book-like" already. But it would be nice to have an edited second edition available to integrate it into a more coherent chunk and fix some of the typos.

(Why do I have the feeling that I'm flogging a dead smurf?)

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Since Pathfinder's already in book format (including durable paper stock that'll last through more than one use... not something that could be said of magazine paper), there's not as much of a need to compile them. For Shackled City it was an attraction since that let us rebuild everything without advertisements interrupting the text flow, let us get the campaign in a durable format that lasts, and gave us the option of reprinting if needed (you can't just reprint a magazine; it's one of the many ways the magazine industry is messed up and inferior to the book industry for presenting material that is intended to last).

Pathfinder's already got all those bases covered.

In the negative category, if we did hardcover compilations, I suspect the vast majority of the people who are currently buying the monthly version would cease buying that version and just wait for the big hardcover version. Which would, unfortunately, kill Pathfinder. Part of the reason we do Adventure Paths in monthly chunks is because that's the only really affordable way to do them in the first place, for the same reason you pay rent monthly. Having to pay rent on your apartment in 6-month or 1 year chunks would mean a lot of folk would be living in caves and cardboard boxes. We don't want Pathfinder to have to move into a cave, and cannibalizing the monthly model by reprinting them in hardcover would do that.

That... and we barely have enough manpower to do what we're doing now anyway. Adding 2 more hardcovers into the year's work would cause a dozen or so nervous breakdowns at Paizo.

Therefore, no hardcovers.

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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

James don't completely rule it out, there's still a market for hardcovers, atleast in the form of remakes. Such hardcovers could remake of 3.5 APs into 3P when PRPG gets finalized in 2009.

Even at the rate of 1 AP hardcover a year, you'd have 3 or 4 years of conversion hardcovers before you got caught up to APs using 3P rules and by then another 6-8 Adventures Paths would be out.

People would be years behind the product line if they truly waited around for the hardcovers. Not to mention by 2009 or 2010 when a ROTRL 3P Hardcover would be viable in this plan, we'd all know the condition of our AP books and some of us might be willing to rebuy the APs as hardcovers if the individual books are taking a lot of usage damage.


James Jacobs wrote:

Since Pathfinder's already in book format (including durable paper stock that'll last through more than one use... not something that could be said of magazine paper), there's not as much of a need to compile them. For Shackled City it was an attraction since that let us rebuild everything without advertisements interrupting the text flow, let us get the campaign in a durable format that lasts, and gave us the option of reprinting if needed (you can't just reprint a magazine; it's one of the many ways the magazine industry is messed up and inferior to the book industry for presenting material that is intended to last).

Pathfinder's already got all those bases covered.

Thanks for the answer, James! Since you mentioned reprinting in your answer, I have a follow-up question: Would you ever consider printing a second edition of the existing Pathfinder volumes (with typo fixes, etc.)? I assume the answer is also, "No, we don't have the editorial resources" but it never hurts to ask.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

hogarth wrote:
Thanks for the answer, James! Since you mentioned reprinting in your answer, I have a follow-up question: Would you ever consider printing a second edition of the existing Pathfinder volumes (with typo fixes, etc.)? I assume the answer is also, "No, we don't have the editorial resources" but it never hurts to ask.

Probably not. Certainly not at this point; if we reprint Pathfinder 2, for example, it'll be the same book as the first printing. We don't have the resources right now to re-edit finished works.


Starfinder Superscriber

What about reprints of the Dungeon adventure paths? You got the shackled City, which I LOVE, but I'd really like to see the other paths too...


DJ Eternal Darkness wrote:
What about reprints of the Dungeon adventure paths? You got the shackled City, which I LOVE, but I'd really like to see the other paths too...

I gather that Wizards of the Coast need to give permission for a Savage Tide/Age of Worms reprint (which they haven't shown any inclination to do so far).

RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32

All the Dungeon material is owned by WotC. They've been less than cooperative.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Yeah, all of the contents of Dungeon are owned by Wizards of the Coast. We'd need to secure permission from them to reprint anything from Dungeon, and seeing as how they didn't want to do that when 3.5 was going strong... I suspect their desire to do so will be even less once 4.0 is out in a few months. I don't suspect you'll be seeing any such projects from Paizo, as a result.


Starfinder Superscriber
James Jacobs wrote:
Yeah, all of the contents of Dungeon are owned by Wizards of the Coast. We'd need to secure permission from them to reprint anything from Dungeon, and seeing as how they didn't want to do that when 3.5 was going strong... I suspect their desire to do so will be even less once 4.0 is out in a few months. I don't suspect you'll be seeing any such projects from Paizo, as a result.

Thanks James. That really sucks, but what can you do? At least I have all my old Dungeon copies.

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