Sean Bean heads cast for HBO's A Game of Thrones


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Greylurker wrote:
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Kryzbyn wrote:
So, I wonder if Arya is going to go down her list...

Well, according to the rules that were previously shown to be true, she should be going blind rather quickly after Frey's death.

But it's Arya, so her ridiculously strong plot armor won't allow it.

one slight difference.

She would have had to have made that particular face herself since I doubt they let her take a bunch from the hall when she said "FU guys I'm going home"

She went blind because she took a face without permission.

She didn't go blind because she made the face herself and thus automatically has permission.

which does of course mean there is a dead girl someplace with her face skinned off.

Or they are just letting her use it anyway. Either for their own purposes or because they respect her now for "graduating." Maybe this whole thing was a manipulation and they really just want those people on her list dead too. They did ask her a lot of questions about who was on the list and let her walk out of the House of Black and White and go home. They could have easily made her blind again or sent another assassin after her and they didn't.


darth_borehd wrote:
Or they are just letting her use it anyway. Either for their own purposes or because they respect her now for "graduating." Maybe this whole thing was a manipulation and they really just want those people on her list dead too. They did ask her a lot of questions about who was on the list and let her walk out of the House of Black and White and go home. They could have easily made her blind again or sent another assassin after her and they didn't.

Maybe "a man" just grew fond and/or respectful of Arya('s skills). She did save his life, after all...

Or maybe he's just letting her run free for the time being, planning to ask/demand a favor or service from her in the future. Having a highborn Lady of Winterfel owe you a favor is no small thing (we have no idea how much the facless men know about the situation of the Stark family, after all).


Maybe clearing the list is an important stel. She has to let go of past grudges before she can become no one


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I'd lovelovelove a Tuf Voyaging series, I just can't imagine who'd play the title role. I read all the Wildcards books up to a certain point, but never related to the characters on an emotional level.

Conleth Hill seems like a good choice, but he might be bored of playing bald dudes by that point :)


Brain Blessed was always the version in my head, but he's getting a bit long in tooth at this point. Also, a calm considered Brian Blessed, who wasn't spitting all over everything all the time like Boss Nass.


Perhaps it was the lawful "good" or at least lawful protagonist side of the religion. A life was owed, A life was paid.

Or her list is a heartfelt prayer to the god of death. Their religion was founded by someone starting with the same thing, he could respect that she worships their god in her own way.

Or the waif was just a twit and he never liked her anyway.


...or Ayra's training was part of a debt someone else paid for.

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Those who feel the breath of sadness
Sit down next to me
Those who find they're touched by madness
Sit down next to me
Those who find themselves ridiculous
Sit down next to me

In love, in fear, in hate, in tears
In love, in fear, in hate, in tears
In love, in fear, in hate, in tears

Oh sit down
Oh sit down
Oh sit down
Sit down next to me
Sit down, down, down, down
In sympathy

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I loved that song over a decade and a half ago (2000s), almost as long as I have A Song of Fire and Ice. Perfect fit.


some good timing on that song, what with "touched by madness" coming on with Cersei walking down the hall, and "touched by sadness" with Jon Snow.

Liberty's Edge

Season 7 full trailer looks epic.

Scarab Sages

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Ugh, two months still...


That trailer makes me not care at all that Winds of Winter isn't finished.

The Exchange

i tell people that want to read the books not too. why start something that wont be finished.

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I'd love winds to come along with the stories that the show dropped (Arya the warg and Nymeria the wolf queen, Jon the warg, the brothers grayjoy and their magic horn, even lady stoneshoehornedintotheplotheart). But the show is just so good, it's incomplete details and all.

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GM Niles wrote:
That trailer makes me not care at all that Winds of Winter isn't finished.

A friend I showed the trailer too said the books are irrelevent now. I agree.


Hard to finish a book when you are writing short stories and treatments for several new shows.

At least the story will be completed by the TV series.

If the book ever comes out I'll read it but after a Storm of Swords the next two books were average anyhow so I don't have high hopes for the Winds of Winter...

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I'm in a very meh place now. I didn't think much of the showrunners picking up where Martin left off. Martin's last book pretty much killed any enthusiasm I had for the book series. Guess I'm looking forward to at least the show being over.


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i tell people that want to read the books not too. why start something that wont be finished.

The books have some problems with pacing (moreso later on) but they also have nuanced, interesting characterisation and a more thorough examination of the themes of power and corruption. They also have far better battle scenes (written by someone who has actually studied real medieval warfare, whilst the TV writers appear to have done nothing more than play SKYRIM for five minutes) and don't handwave away the complex problems brought about by colonialism. There's also the worldbuilding, which the TV show has put absolutely no thought into whatsoever and just borrowed everything from the books and then ignored them later on.

Since the TV show started moving beyond the books, we've seen a rapid decline in the quality of dialogue, pacing and structure. It turns out the writer of X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE and TROY isn't very good at dialogue when he hasn't gotten the books to use any more and who once said "Themes are for high school book reports" is a bit rubbish. Who knew?

Season 5 was a mess which they managed to repair in Season 6 by throwing lots of money at the screen, milking the last book scenes they had available to adapt (the Tower of Joy in particular) and doing some scenes that were very spectacular but very dumb. Cersei wiping out House Tyrell in the last episode should have triggered her extremely rapid death, since Highgarden's 100,000-strong army should have stormed the city and executed her, but of course in TVland House Tyrell's massive army has evaporated for absolutely no reason whatsoever and the writers just solve problems by pulling stuff out of their backside.

When it had the books to follow, the TV show was an effective and sometimes superb adaptation which generally did a good job of knowing when to adapt a storyline and when to step back and do things much more concisely than Martin and not follow extraneous plot strands. Now that option is no longer available, the TV show has run into pretty major problems of plot, characterisation, worldbuilding and thematic development which it has papered over with lots of CGI. It's a disappointing development and I'm not expecting it to get a lot better.


what battle scenes, I don't remember any from the last book, just some cliffhangers, you are saying the Battle of the bastards is far worse than those?


Not to speak for Werthead, but in the books all the battles are more fully described; I think it's more budget than talent of the writing team. I will say the line "You're blank, but not as blank as you think you are," got a bit trite halfway through season 3, but, speaking of Wolverine, still not so trite as "I'm the best there is at what I do, but what I do isn't very nice."


As someone whose favorite fantasy series is ASOIAF, and a person who has read most of the novels multiple times...I have to say I still really enjoy the TV series. I just view them as two different "things" and try to not let my love of the book color my appreciation of the show.

A novel series is ALWAYS going to have more detailed worldbuilding, better battles, and more fleshed out characters, because a novel doesn't have to worry about budgets, episode-size constraints, limitations of actors, or appealing to wider demographics. Yeah I don't like some of the storytelling changes, especially those involving season 5, the showrunners have made. But the actors are great, the battles are pretty damn impressive for a TV show, and for the most part the show does capture the themes and feel of the novels.

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I get that making a television fantasy/war series is difficult. I agree that the series has excellent acting talent. However, the showrunners writing has been god awful and has nothing to do with the difficulties of making a book on the screen. Hopefully, it wraps up in excellent fashion, but even if it doesn't, GOT is wrapping up which is probably for the best.


Knoq Nixoy wrote:
what battle scenes, I don't remember any from the last book, just some cliffhangers, you are saying the Battle of the bastards is far worse than those?

The Battle of the Bastards makes no sense whatsoever. It's visually impressive but completely nonsensical. You have massive charges into prepared enemy forces, you have armed forces allowing themselves to be surrounded rather than spreading out to engage on the flanks and you have one of your commanders denying intelligence on reinforcements for absolutely no reason and getting thousands of people killed. If Sansa had just told Jon the Knights of the Vale were on their way, they could have simply waited and attacked with overwhelming superiority of numbers and won far more easily.

The Battle of Hardhome was far better, and the dumbness of those involved could be explained by it being a surprise attack, the enemy being zombies and the defenders having to make a forced retreat by water in the face of overwhelming enemy numbers. The Battle of the Wall was actually reasonable (I forgive the nonsensical scythe because it was hilarious) and they fixed a couple of the problems from the battle in the book (actually using a solution I proposed to George years ago for the problem of how archers on the ground could hit targets on top of the Wall). Blackwater was also reasonably done given they had a lot less budget in those days, although it was far cry from the massive, multi-front battle in the books.

ADWD had its fair share of issues, but it did have several quite reasonable battles, including the initial skirmishing at Astapor and Meereen and the assault on Griffin's Roost (which was a good example of real medieval tactics in taking a castle: a surprise attack and rushing the gates before they could be drawn up).


My biggest issue with the show has been the "teleports"..but most specifically how the hell did the Army of the Vale get to Winterfell? Did not Roose garrison the neck after he tricked the ironborn to vacate moat Callin?


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The Battle of the Bastards makes no sense whatsoever. It's visually impressive but completely nonsensical. You have massive charges into prepared enemy forces, you have armed forces allowing themselves to be surrounded rather than spreading out to engage on the flanks and you have one of your commanders denying intelligence on reinforcements for absolutely no reason and getting thousands of people killed. If Sansa had just told Jon the Knights of the Vale were on their way, they could have simply waited and attacked with overwhelming superiority of numbers and won far more easily.

I agree, even though I regularly ignore things like 'Lasers heard in outer space' stuff from Star Wars, a few changes would have helped a bunch.

1.Have Jon want to listen but get an ultimatum that Ramsey would have killed Jon's brother if he didn't show up right the next day.

2.Give WunWun club. A little more smashing could be done without sacrificing much.

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Black Dougal wrote:
My biggest issue with the show has been the "teleports"..but most specifically how the hell did the Army of the Vale get to Winterfell? Did not Roose garrison the neck after he tricked the ironborn to vacate moat Callin?

As someone who hasn't read the books, the only teleport that really baffled me was when the big army led by Stannis showed up and took out the wildlings (Mance's army) on the other side of the wall after years of showing that big wall separating the north from the wildling lands without anyone from the crow-castle-thingie that controlled the only known tunnel through the wall knowing about it.

It's like, 'Oh, surprise, I just brought 10,000 men on horses across your heavily fortified wall of death...'

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Set wrote:
Black Dougal wrote:
My biggest issue with the show has been the "teleports"..but most specifically how the hell did the Army of the Vale get to Winterfell? Did not Roose garrison the neck after he tricked the ironborn to vacate moat Callin?

As someone who hasn't read the books, the only teleport that really baffled me was when the big army led by Stannis showed up and took out the wildlings (Mance's army) on the other side of the wall after years of showing that big wall separating the north from the wildling lands without anyone from the crow-castle-thingie that controlled the only known tunnel through the wall knowing about it.

It's like, 'Oh, surprise, I just brought 10,000 men on horses across your heavily fortified wall of death...'

Stannis took his ships around the backside of the wall. There is a short but significant scene if i recall correctly where Davos convinces him via letter received by raven from the wall to sail for it.

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Black Dougal wrote:
My biggest issue with the show has been the "teleports"..but most specifically how the hell did the Army of the Vale get to Winterfell? Did not Roose garrison the neck after he tricked the ironborn to vacate moat Callin?

Possibly ships again, though littlefinger was thought to be a sort of ally for delivering Sansa to the Boltons. I think the showrunners wanted the viewers to feel like certain doom was befalling the Starks again.....but surprise!


Set wrote:
Black Dougal wrote:
My biggest issue with the show has been the "teleports"..but most specifically how the hell did the Army of the Vale get to Winterfell? Did not Roose garrison the neck after he tricked the ironborn to vacate moat Callin?

As someone who hasn't read the books, the only teleport that really baffled me was when the big army led by Stannis showed up and took out the wildlings (Mance's army) on the other side of the wall after years of showing that big wall separating the north from the wildling lands without anyone from the crow-castle-thingie that controlled the only known tunnel through the wall knowing about it.

It's like, 'Oh, surprise, I just brought 10,000 men on horses across your heavily fortified wall of death...'

That actually was fine, Stannis was cooped up on Dragonstone with what was left of his bannermen and a fleet of mercenary ship captains. he needed to do something as the captains started to doubt the profitability of the venture and were thinking of leaving and he would be stuck on drgaonstone. The onion knights case to aid the night watch appealed to his honour and the need to establish a stronghold on the mainland. And with his fleet, he was able to sail around the wall, landing south of Hardhome.

But for the army of the vale to show up like that, well whose boats did they use? A fleet from Bravvos? seriously, I don't need to be spoonfed but a little more plotting there would have paid off.\

f..k it, while we are at it..how the hell did Theon and his sister find the crews for all the ships they took..

yeah, you start digging into the post book episodes and a lot of detail is glossed over..


what happened before the battle has nothing to do with the quality of battle scenes, not to mention how irrelevant those ''battles'' at Meereen and Griffin Roost are for the main story


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As someone who hasn't read the books, the only teleport that really baffled me was when the big army led by Stannis showed up and took out the wildlings (Mance's army) on the other side of the wall after years of showing that big wall separating the north from the wildling lands without anyone from the crow-castle-thingie that controlled the only known tunnel through the wall knowing about it.

They landed at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea, the Night Watch's port on the east coast, and went through the Wall there. There's a gate at every one of the castles through the Wall, not just Castle Black.

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what happened before the battle has nothing to do with the quality of battle scenes, not to mention how irrelevant those ''battles'' at Meereen and Griffin Roost are for the main story

Those battles are hugely relevant. Meereen obviously determines the future course of Dany's story and feeds into her thematic arc about how she learns to rule (Meereen being the failure that she learns from for Westeros). The Golden Company showing up, coupled with Dany's spurning of Quentyn and his subsequent death, will also encourage Dorne to take premature action against the Iron Throne, seeing more chaos and war for when Dany and the Others show up.

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Werthead wrote:
They landed at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea, the Night Watch's port on the east coast, and went through the Wall there. There's a gate at every one of the castles through the Wall, not just Castle Black.

Ah, perhaps I've not paid enough attention, but I had no idea that there were castles other than Castle Black, along the wall!


Set wrote:
Ah, perhaps I've not paid enough attention, but I had no idea that there were castles other than Castle Black, along the wall!

There's nineteen, but only three in current use.

You may recall one of the abandoned castles, the Nightfort, was used by Team Bran to cross the Wall back at the end of Season 3.

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this thread title should read "sean bean BEHEADS cast...."


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Heathansson wrote:
this thread title should read "sean bean BEHEADS cast...."

Eight-years-younger-Wert didn't want to drop a spoiler bomb off the bat in the thread title.

That's weird, when I started this thread it was a relatively unknown fantasy book series and hardly anyone had heard of Tyrion or Jon Snow or Westeros, and now it feels like the whole planet has. Weird.

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Werthead wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
this thread title should read "sean bean BEHEADS cast...."

Eight-years-younger-Wert didn't want to drop a spoiler bomb off the bat in the thread title.

That's weird, when I started this thread it was a relatively unknown fantasy book series and hardly anyone had heard of Tyrion or Jon Snow or Westeros, and now it feels like the whole planet has. Weird.

Oh cmon? Sure the series exploded the popularity into a household name, but GoT was hardly unheard of beforehand.

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It was pretty unheard of, except in fantasy geek circles.

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Agreed. The books were obviously popular, but they were FAR from being a household name. Heck, I consider myself a pretty big fan of the fantasy genre and I'd only barely heard of them myself

The massive popularity of the show has done wonders for the books and their increased recognition, there's no arguing that!

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Hama wrote:
It was pretty unheard of, except in fantasy geek circles.

They couldn't keep it on the shelf at local bookstores years before the series. Also, FFG made a board game of the show years before the series. It wasn't household, but it was not unheard of "except in geek circles." My best friend who hates fantasy actually turned me onto the series. (I don't like fantasy fiction either). Maybe this type of fiction is more rare across the pond?


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Yeah, it's been super popular in the upper Midwest forever it seems.


ASoIaF had sold about 12 million copies when the series started, which was reasonable but absolutely nothing compared to the likes of Wheel of Time, Dragonlance (it was about half the sales of the original two trilogies), Dark Tower, Narnia etc. It was doing reasonably well but was not massive by any means.

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It wasn't really that popular here till the show. It went from pretty much obscurity to the local stores couldn't keep them on the shelves when Dance launched after Season 1's premiere. Even then, it didn't blossom into full popularity until season 2 came out and the show buzz caught up with the casual reader. I bought all of mine somewhere prior to season 3 (except Dance because I was waiting for my book store to get a trade paperback because I'm the cheapo).

And back in the season 3 days, everyone can remember the Red Wedding reaction videos on youtube. AKA the moment that GoT exploded into the stratosphere. Suddenly everyone at work who actually would put forth the effort to read for fun had a set of books.


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I'll watch it, but more interested in more Westworld.


Werthead wrote:
ASoIaF had sold about 12 million copies when the series started, which was reasonable but absolutely nothing compared to the likes of Wheel of Time, Dragonlance (it was about half the sales of the original two trilogies), Dark Tower, Narnia etc. It was doing reasonably well but was not massive by any means.

Yeah, it was very niche. It was heard of and it was building up steam... Even in my circle there was word getting around about it... but 'Book' sales will always be marginal at best. They just don't reach the audience or see the kind of advertising or word of mouth that movies or shows do.

GRRM was getting popular, but he wasn't any kind of Stephen King household name or anything.


Well, all I can say is that in my circles there were plenty of people that knew about the series, since we were all b&!@*ing about a feast for crows taking 5 years, and then b@!&#ing when dance of dragons did"t come out the next year as the was implied.

Either I ran with some hard core geeks, or there was a decent base of readers before the show started.


I had one friend talk about reading the series before the show came out, and then suddenly everyone was talking about it.

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New trailer Looks great about a month to go can't wait

Sovereign Court

Looks like lots of battles. Neat.


I'm sure this has been lampshaded before, but I really like that every once in a while I see this thread pop up in the sidebar and I think "Are people really still hyped that Sean Bean was in the first season?".

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Sorry ... 'lampshaded'?

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