so I've been watching my neighbors cat for the last few days. I had let her cat Mali out (stupidly) and spent about an hour trying to make sure she didn't trash any of the neighbors gardens or run away. it is now 12:13 AM(or 00:13) and I had succesfully gotten the cat back in the house for now....with the casualty of one of my absolute FAVORITE animals, a Chipmunk. I literally had to sit their and watch my neighbor's cat maul my favorite animal to death just to get her inside
-FML
anyways, I just gave the chipmunk a burial in hopes that it'll enjoy its new life in chippy-heaven....I feel a little empty now.....
so I've been watching my neighbors cat for the last few days. I had let her cat Mali out (stupidly) and spent about an hour trying to make sure she didn't trash any of the neighbors gardens or run away. it is now 12:13 AM(or 00:13) and I had succesfully gotten the cat back in the house for now....with the casualty of one of my absolute FAVORITE animals, a Chipmunk. I literally had to sit their and watch my neighbor's cat maul my favorite animal to death just to get her inside
-FMLanyways, I just gave the chipmunk a burial in hopes that it'll enjoy its new life in chippy-heaven....I feel a little empty now.....
Don't feel empty. You respectfully honored his passing. And even if Mali hadn't got him, there are a LOT of neighborhood predators that might have. Mother Nature is harsh and unforgiving.
Still, watching a beloved animal die is difficult. I hope you feel better soon. (- Sera)
so I've been watching my neighbors cat for the last few days. I had let her cat Mali out (stupidly) and spent about an hour trying to make sure she didn't trash any of the neighbors gardens or run away. it is now 12:13 AM(or 00:13) and I had succesfully gotten the cat back in the house for now....with the casualty of one of my absolute FAVORITE animals, a Chipmunk. I literally had to sit their and watch my neighbor's cat maul my favorite animal to death just to get her inside
-FMLanyways, I just gave the chipmunk a burial in hopes that it'll enjoy its new life in chippy-heaven....I feel a little empty now.....
I am in an awkward (and very radical) position where I believe that non native (Australian) animals should be slowly phased out of existence in Australia (through mandatory de-sexing, exterminating feral animals and import bans)and owning(or being owned by) a cat.
My wife pestered me for a pet - and I gave in despite my beliefs so we adopted a cat from a shelter. Now when poor old daisy who is not allowed out finally wanders off to the big kibble bowl in the sky. I am going to put my foot down and not allow any non native pets.
The damage foxes, cats, and dogs do in Australia is terrible they account for a massive percentage of native species being wiped out.
At the moment the penguins that breed on the beaches in one the northern suburbs of Sydney are being killed by foxes and local pet dogs. The state government wild life service has hired hunters to kill the foxes and dogs.
Ohh and don't get me started on cattle - because cattle have a hard hoof they rip up the grass and expose the topsoil this causes erosion and silts up water sources.
There are a few people like me who think we should farm Kangaroos instead. Their meat is leaner and has a richer flavour and as they have padded paws they don't cause erosion.
The problem is the Bambi factor - because roo's are cute and our national symbol a lot of people have hang ups about eating them. Yet are happy to eat venison, veal, lamb, and rabbit which I find very hypocritical.
Besides my ancestors were eating Kangaroos for 60,000 years before the Europeans arrived and introduced all these environmental disasters.
Sorry went into a rant I will climb down off my soap box and STFU now...........
Besides my ancestors were eating Kangaroos for 60,000 years before the Europeans arrived and introduced all these environmental disasters.
You're right though. In Eurasia, where these animals came from, they were not to a big deal (though human agriculture has warped the population balance).
But what about, say, the Dingo. Technically a dog and an import from Eurasia.
Or, for that matter, humans are an import to Australia. Even the "natives" originally migrated from Eurasia (Long before the English ever got there).
Slightly off topic. . .when you mentioned the eating of rabbits and whatnot, I couldn't help but think of the simpsons' episode where Homer raises a lobster to eat but gets too attached to it to eat it. At one point, the camera shows us Homer's view of the cuddly, cute crustacean and then it shows us marge's view where it is snapping at her and covered in barnacles and such. . .
I feel your pain with regards to a cat's instincts for "hunting" all things, well, moving. We have a feral cat that likes to sit on our deck and communicate with our housecats. We also have tried to keep parts of our relatively small backyard "natural" so that the local birds can have a place to hang out. Thankfully, we have birds in our yard throughout much of the spring, summer and fall (and the occasional doves that seem not to mind the cold of winter). Every so often, I'll find a bird carcass as I am doing my yard chores. I feel like I'm setting up an all-you-can-eat buffet for that feral cat, even though I try to keep it out. Short of killing it (which I don't want to do--and for which my wife would kick me out; she can't stand harm to anything furry, feathered or scaled), nothing seems to keep it out of the yard.
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If it makes you feel better...
The cat can't help but hunt and kill, she's a predator, that's what they do. You'll have to balance the joy the cat brings her owner and the filling of your obligations vs the chipmunk dying to fill the cat's instincts.
Theology hat on:
I'm okay with the idea of eating kangaroos, but I would draw the line at koalas.
And to the OP, I'm sorry you had to see that. To me, it's one thing to know that that sort of thing happens all the time, but it's another thing to watch it...
Koalas are an endangered species so killing or eating one is highly illegal. I dont know anybody that has eaten a Koala (Australian of aboriginal descent or otherwise) but as their diet consists entirely of eycalptus leaves they would probably taste very unpleasant.
Eastern grey kangaroos often reach plague proportions and taste good in a stir-fry with some ginger, honey, and soy sauce as a marinade.
Croc is not bad either Emu is ok but a bit tough.
Besides my ancestors were eating Kangaroos for 60,000 years before the Europeans arrived and introduced all these environmental disasters.You're right though. In Eurasia, where these animals came from, they were not to a big deal (though human agriculture has warped the population balance).
But what about, say, the Dingo. Technically a dog and an import from Eurasia.
Or, for that matter, humans are an import to Australia. Even the "natives" originally migrated from Eurasia (Long before the English ever got there).
There is no denying that my non euro ancestors changed the environment when they arrived. Using a fire to alter the landscape and probably contributing to or hastening of the extinction of the mega-fauna. (9-12 foot tall kangaroos, wombats the size of cows, carnivorous kangaroos, the thylacine on the mainland).
But they achieved a balance between their survival and minimising their overall impact.
The dingo is interesting it arrived about 5000 years ago and was not introduced by the aboriginal people. its closest relatives are in the Indonesian Archipelago and India. The aboriginal people saw the benefit in domesticating it though.
It probably out competed the marsupial carnivores and resulted in their extinction on the mainland...
I thought this was something important, like you played a game of Hero or something.
I thought this was something important, like you played a game of Hero or something.
Hero is important CourtFool but not as Important as Role Master.
Sorry I will stop thread jacking now OP.
Hero is important CourtFool but not as Important as Role Master.
Bah! Charts are just dumbed down mathematical equations.
Bah! Charts are just dumbed down mathematical equations.
DM: OK {slides paper & pencil over} To calculate whether you hit them, complete this 3x3 tensor.
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I agree with you 8th Dwarf. Non-native species destroy the ecology of the areas they invade...especially those with no natural predators.
I would eat 'roo. I don't eat cow anyway, they're a plague, they produced massive amounts of methane, and cattle farmers only care about the bottom line, push out the native animals and flora so there can be more grazing area for the cows. I'll take Bison thanks, now that they've recovered enough.
Dogs?
Yap?
I am in an awkward (and very radical) position where I believe that non native (Australian) animals should be slowly phased out of existence in Australia (through mandatory de-sexing, exterminating feral animals and import bans)and owning(or being owned by) a cat.
Does this include humans, and if so how far back?
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so I've been watching my neighbors cat for the last few days. I had let her cat Mali out (stupidly) and spent about an hour trying to make sure she didn't trash any of the neighbors gardens or run away. it is now 12:13 AM(or 00:13) and I had succesfully gotten the cat back in the house for now....with the casualty of one of my absolute FAVORITE animals, a Chipmunk. I literally had to sit their and watch my neighbor's cat maul my favorite animal to death just to get her inside
-FMLanyways, I just gave the chipmunk a burial in hopes that it'll enjoy its new life in chippy-heaven....I feel a little empty now.....
I am in an awkward (and very radical) position where I believe that non native (Australian) animals should be slowly phased out of existence in Australia (through mandatory de-sexing, exterminating feral animals and import bans)and owning(or being owned by) a cat.
My wife pestered me for a pet - and I gave in despite my beliefs so we adopted a cat from a shelter. Now when poor old daisy who is not allowed out finally wanders off to the big kibble bowl in the sky. I am going to put my foot down and not allow any non native pets.
The damage foxes, cats, and dogs do in Australia is terrible they account for a massive percentage of native species being wiped out.
At the moment the penguins that breed on the beaches in one the northern suburbs of Sydney are being killed by foxes and local pet dogs. The state government wild life service has hired hunters to kill the foxes and dogs.
Ohh and don't get me started on cattle - because cattle have a hard hoof they rip up the grass and expose the topsoil this causes erosion and silts up water sources.
There are a few people like me who think we should farm Kangaroos instead. Their meat is leaner and has a richer flavour and as they have padded paws they don't cause erosion.
The problem is the Bambi factor - because roo's are cute and our national symbol a lot of people have hang ups about eating them. Yet are...
Too bad you can't do anything about what all the non-native people did to Australia.
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to all that posted, thanks I feel better now
I feel your loss, OP. But at the same time I can't help but wonder where the other Rescue Rangers where...
that joke is in such bad taste, but why does it make me laugh?
god, I love Paizonians
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Short of killing it (which I don't want to do--and for which my wife would kick me out; she can't stand harm to anything furry, feathered or scaled), nothing seems to keep it out of the yard.
What if you shaved it before you killed it? Then it wouldn't be furry, feathered, or scaled, right?
Croc is not bad either Emu is ok but a bit tough.
You could always try brining the emu in a citrus infusion first...should tenderize the meat and keep it juicy while cooking.
Coming from Hawaii, I understand what you mean about non-native species. The Hawaiian government is very strict about animal imports in order to help protect the environment. Unfortunately, massive damage had already been done before that mindset took over.
The islands have a large population of mongooses, that were introduced to stem the epidemic of rats (which were introduced by English sailing ships) that were decimating ground-nesting birds. What they failed to realize was that rats are nocturnal; mongooses are diurnal. Rather than stem the rat problem, the mongooses simply exacerbated the situation by eating even more eggs.
Dealing with a small, enclosed ecology can be difficult.
The islands have a large population of mongooses...
I remember the first one I saw while I was stationed there. "What the hell kind of cat what that?"
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to all that posted, thanks I feel better now
I feel your loss, OP. But at the same time I can't help but wonder where the other Rescue Rangers where...
that joke is in such bad taste, but why does it make me laugh?
god, I love Paizonians
Maybe because sometimes the worst jokes at the right time can make anyone laugh? And after watching my dog being buried when I was 5, I do understand the loss of an animal you're close to.
So...hey...I saw the thread title and thought, "Oh cool! A fresh piece of cast-off soul! I'm running low on that."
So...OP...Can we do some business? You wouldn't believe the street value of that kind of thing.
If it makes you feel better...
The cat can't help but hunt and kill, she's a predator, that's what they do. You'll have to balance the joy the cat brings her owner and the filling of your obligations vs the chipmunk dying to fill the cat's instincts.
Theology hat on:
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Actually, humans aren't predators. In fact, there is good evidence to suggest that humans were never meant to be meat eaters. That's why our teeth are blunt and we can't eat it raw all that well and we have no natural weapons. Just FYI.
Also, to the OP, condolences. It sucks when an animal you liked dies.
...anyways, I just gave the chipmunk a burial in hopes that it'll enjoy its new life in chippy-heaven....I feel a little empty now.....
If it helps Azhagal, (and if you believe in the afterlife), your little chipmunk can meet up with Kai who passed this March. She can show him around Heaven, and as long as I'd had her, she'd never show any interest in chasing any other critter (except for a human's warm lap or for petting).
...anyways, I just gave the chipmunk a burial in hopes that it'll enjoy its new life in chippy-heaven....I feel a little empty now.....If it helps Azhagal, (and if you believe in the afterlife), your little chipmunk can meet up with Kai who passed this March. She can show him around Heaven, and as long as I'd had her, she'd never show any interest in chasing any other critter (except for a human's warm lap or for petting).
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If it makes you feel better...
The cat can't help but hunt and kill, she's a predator, that's what they do. You'll have to balance the joy the cat brings her owner and the filling of your obligations vs the chipmunk dying to fill the cat's instincts.
Theology hat on:
** spoiler omitted **Actually, humans aren't predators. In fact, there is good evidence to suggest that humans were never meant to be meat eaters. That's why our teeth are blunt and we can't eat it raw all that well and we have no natural weapons. Just FYI.
Also, to the OP, condolences. It sucks when an animal you liked dies.
*ahem*
Meat-eaters
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I'm okay with the idea of eating kangaroos, but I would draw the line at koalas.
And to the OP, I'm sorry you had to see that. To me, it's one thing to know that that sort of thing happens all the time, but it's another thing to watch it...
I got news for you but the last time anyone I know went out and hunted a Kangaroo for food, butchered it themselves, and started cooking it on a BBQ hundreds of worms emerged from the meat surface.
You would need to raise them on grain in a healthy disease free environment just to get something that isnt contaminated with worms.
ewwww!
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I'm okay with the idea of eating kangaroos, but I would draw the line at koalas.
And to the OP, I'm sorry you had to see that. To me, it's one thing to know that that sort of thing happens all the time, but it's another thing to watch it...
I got news for you but the last time anyone I know went out and hunted a Kangaroo for food, butchered it themselves, and started cooking it on a BBQ hundreds of worms emerged from the meat surface.
You would need to raise them on grain in a healthy disease free environment just to get something that isnt contaminated with worms.
ewwww!
Just like mom used to make.
I got news for you but the last time anyone I know went out and hunted a Kangaroo for food, butchered it themselves, and started cooking it on a BBQ hundreds of worms emerged from the meat surface.You would need to raise them on grain in a healthy disease free environment just to get something that isnt contaminated with worms.
ewwww!
That is why you cook food and don't eat it raw. It kills the parasites in the meat. Before you say the meat we eat today is parasite free - take a look at stake or sausage under the microscope.
We humans are omnivores by the way. Primarily scavengers and hunters of small game when in family groups.
Larger groups allowed us to hunt as a pack. As a pack we could drive off larger predators much like hyenas do, then claim the kill.
We had tool use very early on we had no need for sharp teeth and claws.
- Chimpanzees often hunt in packs and use sticks and rocks.
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I am in an awkward (and very radical) position where I believe that non native (Australian) animals should be slowly phased out of existence in Australia (through mandatory de-sexing, exterminating feral animals and import bans)and owning(or being owned by) a cat.so I've been watching my neighbors cat for the last few days. I had let her cat Mali out (stupidly) and spent about an hour trying to make sure she didn't trash any of the neighbors gardens or run away. it is now 12:13 AM(or 00:13) and I had succesfully gotten the cat back in the house for now....with the casualty of one of my absolute FAVORITE animals, a Chipmunk. I literally had to sit their and watch my neighbor's cat maul my favorite animal to death just to get her inside
-FMLanyways, I just gave the chipmunk a burial in hopes that it'll enjoy its new life in chippy-heaven....I feel a little empty now.....
Yeah, I hear that Australia has some of the worst invasive species outside of the US. We have eucalyptus trees taking over California, and Himalayan blackberries are everywhere (from west Asia originally, not the Himalayas). There are all these red squirrels invading the US and grey squirrels invading the UK.
I did a study once on the Himalayan blackberry, and like 25% of the hits I got were about Australia's problems with them.Here we have to worry about zebra mussels clogging up intake pipes if people don't clean out their boats. People really need to watch out for the non-natives that could destroy native habitat.
Sorry for the non-fluidity of the above paragraphs.
Yeah, I hear that Australia has some of the worst invasive species outside of the US. We have eucalyptus trees taking over California, and Himalayan blackberries are everywhere (from west Asia originally, not the Himalayas). There are all these red squirrels invading the US and grey squirrels invading the UK.
I did a study once on the Himalayan blackberry, and like 25% of the hits I got were about Australia's problems with them.
Here we have to worry about zebra mussels clogging up intake pipes if people don't clean out their boats. People really need to watch out for the non-natives that could destroy native habitat.
Sorry for the non-fluidity of the above paragraphs.
Eucalyptus trees in California and Himalayan blackberries in Australia? Easy to solve with cooperative effort. We just have Australia send a bunch of koalas to Cali, since they are the natural enemy of the eucalyptus. In return, we have them make pie out of the blackberries, and send hungry Americans.