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Check out this pretty good mention of the Pathfinder RPG over at Aint It Cool.com ...
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41058
For those of you that are not familiar, the site is very popular and is a great Geek source for cool info: new movies, comics, TV shows ... and games.
Check it out and post a comment if you'd like. This is a good place for a LOT of people to learn more about the game and Paizo in general.
Check out this pretty good mention of the Pathfinder RPG over at Aint It Cool.com ...
For those of you that are not familiar, the site is very popular and is a great Geek source for cool info: new movies, comics, TV shows ... and games.
Check it out and post a comment if you'd like. This is a good place for a LOT of people to learn more about th game and Paizo in general.
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For those of you that are not familiar, the site is very popular and is a great Geek source for cool info: new movies, comics, TV shows ... and games.
For those not familiar, the person posting there goes by the name of Massawyrm, and there's the following info to his person worth bearing in mind:
1. He's a gamer in Ari Marmell's group. Marmell, for those who don't know, is the one freelancer who singularly managed to make every single Enworld pre-release thread on 4E literally unbearable. Marmell got to work on 4E early - he's produced fabulous stuff by the way on DDI - and made it his personal obligation to talk down on anyone ever so slightly critical of 4E and inclined to stick to 3E. And no, that doesn't include myself as one of those targets, but it includes a fair number of posts by other people I regarded as making valid points. This doesn't so far reflect on Massawyrm, but it helps to remind oneself of Massa's surrounding in terms of gaming culture every so often when reading Massa's broodings on the current fate of D&D.
2. Massawyrm himself, now, wrote a series of previews of 4E (part 1, part 2, part 3) which feature such ridiculous hyperbole that they are in fact indistinguishable from a hilarious parody of the 4E pre-release hype. (In fact, even if you wisely chose to let the 4E marketing hype pass you by, I'd recommend you to read the latter for entertainment.)
3. If you read his comment on Pathfinder now, you ought to pick up his references as to how 3E - on which PFRPG is based - is "10 years old" (read: "horribly dated and behind in contemporary game design") and features "dozens of flaws", not to mention "breaks down in high level play". This, my friends, is 4E marketing garbage, and it doesn't live up to what capable DMs can do with 3E. In fact, at the UK event of Worldwide D&D Day in 2008, Rob Heinsoo said that WotC was aware that capable DMs can handle 3E perfectly well in all areas of play; that they primarily built 4E for people who couldn't thus handle it. It's the sort of honest, realistic acknowledgement for which people like Massawyrm have no time to spare, and are happy to remind you that there's no reason whatsoever left to play such a "horribly broken" system like 3E when 4E is around.
So, just adding up 1. to 3. It's nice for Massawyrm to alert people on Aintitcool to the existence of Pathfinder RPG, but pay attention as to how he flags the product, whether now or in the future.
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Can you link some of those "tedious" ari marmell threads? I'd like to read them to see what you're talking about.
this isn't me doubting you about him being tedious, I only go to one forum (this one) so I'm curious to know what your talking about.
Ok, since (as you say) you don't frequent Enworld I can forgive the naivety of that question ;) Seriously, Enworld went through a phase where they scrapped all their 3E material (it was their stage of "let's fly all the flags for 4E!!!"). Gone were all their fantastic reviews, and most threads. Reviews went back up in reworked format, but it's become impossible to link 2007 material. The links just won't work even if they showed up on Google (which they don't).
Hm, I guess it's most reasonable for you to simply suspend judgement on what I say in 1. I think 2. and 3. are there to be looked at directly. I mean, look for instance at for Massa saying (in part 1 of his 4E preview) how he drove to half-sales just to sell off all of his 3E books which weren't fluff-heavy. That's just bull****. My beef with assertions like these only started to grow once I realized how managable and worthwhile it is to pick up (say) a 3E bestiary - which is really crunch-only - and convert it to 4E. There's a method to it anyone can pick up just by seeing how WotC does it. E.g. look at the published modules' monster sections - these usually feature the most direct monster conversions (I'd recommend the Shunned in P2, compare it to its appearance in Drow of the Underdark 3.5)
Do you remember the time in late 2007 and early 2008 when you could pick up 3E books really cheap because there was this hype that 4E rendered 3E obsolete? I detest those who were responsible for that sentiment. There are people like myself who value and play both editions, and it was people like Massa and of course WotC itself which told us that there was no point to that. Honestly, if you ever had a beef with the editions war, don't blame the fans on either side - blame WotC for starting it.
My experience lately is a bit different from yours on Ebay. After almost 1.5-2 years of not buying D&D 3.5 books on Ebay I started again this month, and I noticed that the prices for most D&D 3.5 books have gone WAY up then it was when I last started buying. Before you could get a lot of books for 10-25% of the base price of a D&D 3.5 book, now it seems to start at 50%+ base price.Or so it seems to me, perhaps I just started biding again when there is a low volume (and high prices) and I just have to wait a bit more for a good bargain to show up?
Nope,
not just you. And not just on E-Bay. Amazon is the same way, and even the local gaming auctions that the local game store runs quarterly. I've seen 3.5 books go for 20% ABOVE original list price.There seems to be three groups, the '4E is da bomb' group (about 15%), the '4E sucks hugely' group (about 50%), and the 'I can play either, honestly' group (The remaining 35%).
Almost everyone I play with is in the '4E Sucks Hugely' group. Nobody I've played with likes 4E. The local game store has a section of 3.5 stuff, and a 4e section, and when I go in, I never see anyone in the 4e section, just the 3.5 section (which is shrinking each week, obviously).
I'm so glad Paizo decided to put out Pathfinder, because I really wasn't looking forward to no further supplements (wasn't going to go 4E). Wish I'd found out about it sooner though.
I've managed to round out my own library recently for about $20 per book on average (except for Spell Compendium, which was $60) including the shipping charges.