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No, I think they'd rather play with the larger human or half-orc. The gnome and halfling are so small, they don't produce as much blood splatter and gore. That half-orc's big enough you could coat an entire 30x30 room with it's blood, brains, and other squishy bits.I'll be the one to say it: the new gnome is hot.Err... I don't know what this tells about you, Todd... I kind of expected Pett or Logue to come up with something like this -- or, actually, those two would probably say "ME WANT EAT NEW GNOME!" or "ARRRGGHHH! ISN'T THAT HALFLING A TASTY MORSEL OR WHAT?!? LOTSA BLOOD TO SUCK WITH MY TENDRILS!". ;P
You're probably right, but I'm fairly sure that both of them can only move 20 ft. per round, so a human or a half-orc could outrun them. Assuming, naturally, that they didn't manage to ambush their victims.
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*kicks Seoni out of bed*
"Well, hello, my half-elven friend. I see you have a little human in you. I think we both know you'd like a whole lot more."
Cayden tap-dancing Cailean, if I'd known all it would take to get Epic Meepo to release Seoni was to show him some unnamed half-elven hotty, I'd have done it months ago.
I'm calling the rescue mission off. All Badgers, Ghouls, Bears with Fricken Laser Beam Eyes, and Unspeakable Horrors from the Beyond Reality may call it a day.
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On track with the actual post - maybe favored classes have been dropped completely? I can't imagine it would be left out of the chart.
Thanks for the preview.
It's interesting to see folks now saying they preferred the original artwork, but not all that surprising. I liked the original as well. I like this version better, but still. That original piece of artwork had more complaints about it than pretty much any other piece of art we've published under Pathfinder, which is vexing as well because we've published a LOT worse! :P
I've always been a big fan of the old racial line-up. One of my other players has been pretty negative about it, but she's one of the pickiest, most opinionated people I know that I can actually get along with. But I've liked that racial line-up since I saw it in the Alpha, and was always fond of the personalities that the pictures had.
These, overall, just seem blander and/or grouchier - the human woman looks angry, not happy like the original, the half orc looks confused rather than sad (which is probably acceptable), the gnome looks scary and ugly rather than playful and cute, the halfling looks cranky or put out, rather than kind of mild, the dwarf looks dull and disinterested, rather than friendly and boisterous, and the elf looks angry and pissy, rather than haughty and aloof. I get a similar-ish vibe from the half-elf as I did from the old one, though I did appreciate that the original half-elf had short hair, so that there was one female character without long hair.
I dunno. I mean, obviously I can't change it, and the rendering is very well done overall. It's just the personalities are all lost, and these are not people I'd want to hang out with, unlike the last group. I knew the art was going to change, but I'm sad to see it change to this.
On a different topic, I am sad that, from what I've gathered, you didn't commission new art for the iconics. I wasn't expecting you to replace them or anything, but I was hoping that we'd get newer art of them. In the launch product, I was really wanting to see a new picture of Seoni, rather than the same one we've been seeing for two solid years.
I like the new art. Including the new gnome, who looks very fey to me. Not that I remember ever seeing a piece of gnome art from Paizo that I didn't like, mind you...
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Because you asked so nicely - which you didn't, but I'm trying to make a point here - I'll give it a race-by-race comparison:
# Dwarf: Like the new one better. The race is finally out of its diapers, and the look on the old one's expression made me think that he has to register when he wants to move somewhere and get his choice of residence approved by the authority
# Halfling: No strong feelings one way or the other.
# Elf: I think I liked the old one better, actually. The new one's expression is far too sour.
# Human: Again, I like both.
# Gnome: I think I like the old one so much better. The new one's not bad as such, but the face doesn't say gnome to me.
# Half-Orc: Both good, but the old one's better.
# Half-Elf: Much prefer the new one. The old one had a weird hair-do. Reminded me of, I don't know, one of those dogs with hair covering their eyes. The new one reminds me of Olivia Wilde (13 from House)Generally, I like both pictures.
Dwarf looks awesome of course...
Elf looks sour... appropriate...let's face it they are a sour people...elf and half orc still not packing... but then we all already knew that...
Halfling... packing MORE than the elf...
Gnome is checking out the human's butt...
Half-Orc looks like a diseased plant creature...
I like both pictures equally well... prefer the old gnome... loose the elves all together and the game would be better off...
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Gnome is checking out the human's butt...
Check again and zoom in on her eyes. No wonder the half-orc looks so befuddled.
So to summarize:
Gnome is checking out the half-orc's package.
Halfling's looking at the gnome, pissed that the only gal his size class is fawning over the tallest guy in the room.
The human is either checking out the half-orc's pecs or the half-elf.
The half-elf is checking out the viewer.
The half-orc is wondering where he is and what's going on.
The dwarf is looking off in the distance because he doesn't have time for all the drama that's bound to ensue.
And the elf looks rather sulky because of his lack of privates.
I kid of course. ;)
(like both the old and new gnome about equally, personally)
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If you ask me, she's jealous of the half-elf.
I'm surprised no one has started complaining about elf ear length yet. :)
It's all about the love for now.
Man, if I was able to make it to Paizocon I'd have paid one of my friends to mass-produce her foot-long elf-ears* so I could hand 'em out. Fight the hate!
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some unnamed half-elven hotty
I'll call her Thirteen
2) The Cleric, Druid, and Wizard sections are longer than I would have otherwise expected... Domains and School powers have perhaps been folded into these sections, along with the bloodlines which were already in the sorcerer section?
No.
That was definetly done. :P
Was already confirmed.
Director of Games
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Well, despite the fact that Erik Mona and Jason Bulmahn are posting on another thread on this topic, this one has James Jacobs posting on it, so must be the 'real' thread. :)
A couple of thoughts:
1) As Mad Alchemist already observed on one of the other threads, the Shadow Dancer prestige class is apparently now five pages long. either it has some crazy abilities, or they forgot to mention something in the chapter after it on the contents page.
2) The Cleric, Druid, and Wizard sections are longer than I would have otherwise expected... Domains and School powers have perhaps been folded into these sections, along with the bloodlines which were already in the sorcerer section?
Well, I was going to clarify a bit here.. until I saw that bit about James making this the "real" thread.. so now you can just forget it...
Fine... I cannot resist. The ToC refers to the first page of the chapter, which might not necessarily come right after the last page of the previous chapter...
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
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...Hmmm... Splash art maybe?
Either way, I'm in the PF old skool team. I prefered the playtest art as it was a much needed break from the (somewhat boring) stereotypical modern fantasy artwork.
Not that I'm saying the new art is badly painted - it's just not my 'taste'.
EDIT: The page layout design is awesome though!
Cheers! :D
some unnamed half-elven hottyI'll call her Thirteen
Seconded!
Motion carried! She is now Thirteen! Of name.
I prefered the playtest art
Note that the playtest art is a collection of stuff from various other PF products, with only a few really new items.
The racial picture is from PF #4 (I think), where there was a short gazetteer, and was later used in the Gazetteer
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I prefered the playtest artNote that the playtest art is a collection of stuff from various other PF products, with only a few really new items.
The racial picture is from PF #4 (I think), where there was a short gazetteer, and was later used in the Gazetteer
Okay then, I prefer the playtest art which was lifted from PF #4. ;) :P
Cheers! :D
I prefered the playtest artNote that the playtest art is a collection of stuff from various other PF products, with only a few really new items.
The racial picture is from PF #4 (I think), where there was a short gazetteer, and was later used in the Gazetteer
Okay then, I prefer the playtest art which was lifted from PF #4. ;) :P
Cheers! :D
PF #3, it has the Varisia Gazetter. PF #4 got giants and dragons!
UnPathfinderized Arcana, hmmm, James? ;)
I'll buy any book that has all the traits in it...
Pathfinder RPG: Lost Paths.
Pathfinder RPG: Untrod Paths.
Pathfinder RPG: Optional $#!? we couldn't fit in a 576 page RPG.
How about something more Frostian?
Pathfinder RPG: Paths Less Taken
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some unnamed half-elven hottyI'll call her ThirteenSeconded!
Motion carried! She is now Thirteen! Of name.
Hang on a sec - was she named Thirteen, or was it a designation on a scale of one to ten, ten being the highest?
Or was it a reference to her becoming the Thirteenth iconic?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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UnPathfinderized Arcana, hmmm, James? ;)
I'll buy any book that has all the traits in it...
Pathfinder RPG: Lost Paths.
Pathfinder RPG: Untrod Paths.
Pathfinder RPG: Optional $#!? we couldn't fit in a 576 page RPG.How about something more Frostian?
Pathfinder RPG: Paths Less Taken
Well if we are going down that path:
Pathfinder RPG: The Low Road
Pathfinder RPG: The High Road
Pathfinder RPG: GPS (Game Positioning System)
Pathfinder RPG: The Fork in the Path
Pathfinder RPG: Scenic Detours
Hmm, honestly the Low Road sounds like a Rogue sourcebook, and the High Road sounds like a Paladin sourcebook. The rest sound like I haven't had enough sleep...
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some unnamed half-elven hottyI'll call her ThirteenSeconded!
Motion carried! She is now Thirteen! Of name.
Hang on a sec - was she named Thirteen, or was it a designation on a scale of one to ten, ten being the highest?
Or was it a reference to her becoming the Thirteenth iconic?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Or is it because she kind of looks like Olivia Wilde AKA Thirteen (aka Dr. Remy Hadley) on House MD?
some unnamed half-elven hottyI'll call her ThirteenSeconded!
Motion carried! She is now Thirteen! Of name.
Hang on a sec - was she named Thirteen, or was it a designation on a scale of one to ten, ten being the highest?
Or was it a reference to her becoming the Thirteenth iconic?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Its a house referen-
Goddammit, ninja'd.
Yeah, and also Thirteen is a cool name!
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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[Well if we are going down that path:
Pathfinder RPG: The Low Road
Pathfinder RPG: The High Road
Pathfinder RPG: GPS (Game Positioning System)
Pathfinder RPG: The Fork in the Path
Pathfinder RPG: Scenic DetoursHmm, honestly the Low Road sounds like a Rogue sourcebook, and the High Road sounds like a Paladin sourcebook. The rest sound like I haven't had enough sleep...
Oooh, me likey.
Pathfinder RPG: The Low Road
Traits rules and tricks for duelists, bards, spellstalkers* and other fast light characters.
Pathfinder RPG: The High Road
Knights, Paladins and Fighters. Rules for honour, nobility, and tournaments. (Toss in Blackguards too)
Pathfinder RPG: The Forked Path. The big book of Gishes, bards, Eldirch knights, battle sorcerers, and arcane legionaries*
Pathfinder RPG: Pathways of the Mind. Psionics.
Pathfinder RPG: The Left Hand Path. Infernal Daemonic and Demonic pacts.
Pathfinder RPG: The Outer Path. Elder Gods and Pathfinder.
Pathfinder RPG: The Well Trod Path. (Fiction) Various stories of characters who ended up dealing with Shayliss.
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And yes, I give permission for Paizo to use any of the titles I just came up with ;-)
I much, much, much prefer the new art over the playtest art. Whereas I acknowledge the high quality of the art in both cases, I greatly prefer the new art style over the weird style used in the playtest documents.
a long list
You're having too much fun, Matthew. And if it wasn't clear, Paths Less Taken would be alternative rules book.
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a long listYou're having too much fun, Matthew. And if it wasn't clear, Paths Less Taken would be alternative rules book.
A good one, Mairkurion! And this verse from the acclaimed author's poem says it all (for me, at least):
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
Call me a sap, but Robin Williams' best film ever.
Hang on a sec - was she named Thirteen, or was it a designation on a scale of one to ten, ten being the highest?
Or was it a reference to her becoming the Thirteenth iconic?
Inquiring minds want to know.
It's because if she has too much do drink, she might start making out with the strippers - or become one.
Folks'll just have to wait a few more months to see what's going on "between the chapters" of the PFRPG. It's pretty, though, that's for sure!
I saw my "Iconics uncovered" April fool's joke was picked up as an idea after all.
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Call me a sap, but Robin Williams' best film ever.
Oh, I thought you referred directly to Frost's poem 'The Road not Taken'(which is often misremembered as 'The Road Less Travelled' for obvious reasons), but apparently you thought of 'Dead Poets Society' and the scene when Williams quotes the stanzas from the poem. :)
Folks'll just have to wait a few more months to see what's going on "between the chapters" of the PFRPG. It's pretty, though, that's for sure!
aka dwarven beardcake.
Folks'll just have to wait a few more months to see what's going on "between the chapters" of the PFRPG. It's pretty, though, that's for sure!aka dwarven beardcake.
That and half-elf Thirteen making out with strippers? Iconic strippers? Is that even prestige class?
Wow, it really will fulfill all needs as a product.
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Cayden tap-dancing Cailean, if I'd known all it would take to get Epic Meepo to release Seoni was to show him some unnamed half-elven hotty, I'd have done it months ago.
I'm calling the rescue mission off.
I said "out of bed," not "out of my house." I've merely relocated Seoni to another part of my lair.
But feel free to call the rescue mission off, either way.
Far be it from me to call myself an expert on women, but I'm pretty sure she'll leave on her own after being unceremoniously replaced by Thirteen (the previously unnamed half-elven hotty). After she fireball's both of you.
All she'll have to do then is walk right out of a Kobold's Lair.
Crap.
So anybody got the number to Rent-A-Rogue? Tell them we'll need an expert on kobold lair traps...
Call me a sap, but Robin Williams' best film ever.
Not only that, but my top favourite movie too.
The end scene in the class room gets me every time...
Folks'll just have to wait a few more months to see what's going on "between the chapters" of the PFRPG. It's pretty, though, that's for sure!
The smallest space, is after humans page, each race gets one page alone. So its fair to assume if races has two 'spare pages after it.
Races starts on page 20, straight into text. We've seen some form of more art heavy chapter layouts, so I assume their the 'spare' page before the start of every chapter, a big illo with the chapters title in a neat text box.
So there is one unnaccounted for page at the end of each chapter.
I'm guessing more art, maybe the chapter cover illo without textbox, but I think so, I think it'll be a gratutious showing off of their amazing artwork (all new?) and art crew. Which I am SO DAMN ok with!
Call me a sap, but Robin Williams' best film ever.Oh, I thought you referred directly to Frost's poem 'The Road not Taken'(which is often misremembered as 'The Road Less Travelled' for obvious reasons), but apparently you thought of 'Dead Poets Society' and the scene when Williams quotes the stanzas from the poem. :)
Yeah, I'm referring to the poem. But where I sometimes hear poems in the voice of the poet reading it, there's a couple I always hear in the voice of Mr. Keating, and this is one of them.
So to summarize:
And the elf looks rather sulky because of his lack of privates.
But he's got washboard abs! Never seen that on an elf before.
So to summarize:
And the elf looks rather sulky because of his lack of privates.
Maybe the Golarion elves have retractable privates? Would help with that andogynous metrosexual look they have. Also, see case: Vaarsuvius.
Big male packages in art would be exploitive and sexist. Sexualizing any person, regardless of race or gender, is badfun crimethink.
Or maybe because if we illustrated guys with huge bulging packages (or even normal bulging packages), we'd cause a destructive scandal. The USA in general is too afraid of big packages and nipples for us to push those boundaries.
*sigh* I really hate my country's attitudes about sex about 90% of the time. I'm not dying for fan service in the art, despite the fact that straight male fans get serviced in almost every art order that depicts a female anything, but it stinks to know that you had to deliberately step around even normal anatomical accuracy.
And what's worse is that I know you're right. I could see the threads now. I remember back on ENWorld when Dragon did a muscled-out cover pic of Pelor. And that only had him from the waist up.
Or maybe because if we illustrated guys with huge bulging packages (or even normal bulging packages), we'd cause a destructive scandal. The USA in general is too afraid of big packages and nipples for us to push those boundaries.
Move your business over here! You'd be able to do your art your way, and I'd save thousands on shipping fees (and stuff would be here faster!)
Or maybe because if we illustrated guys with huge bulging packages (or even normal bulging packages), we'd cause a destructive scandal. The USA in general is too afraid of big packages and nipples for us to push those boundaries.Move your business over here! You'd be able to do your art your way, and I'd save thousands on shipping fees (and stuff would be here faster!)
Germany right? That's a country not afraid of a bit of package or nipple, I really like Germany. Well, frankfurt and munich anyroad. And still closer than to U.S., and shipping from my german instrument guys is ridiculously reasonable.
So in all, I'm cool with that! Though dublin would be better, offering me the job of reading everything first. Hey, I'll settle though! :d
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OK Paizo, it's time to move to Europe. Srsly. Advantages:
- better beer,
- girls and boys are slim and hot,
- Logue, Pett, WAR and Eva just around the corner,
- cheap printing with fast shipping and no customs nonsense,
- you can do a Wayne Reynolds cover featuring a pair of glabrezus sodomizing a flumph and NOBODY WILL GIVE A DAMN.