I agree, it was disappointing. Drawing the proverbial line in the sand is a weak attempt at best to show the characters' convictions. It was "fluffy" in my opinion, no real substance there at all.
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What do you mean by Cylon goo?
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I was hoping we'd see Gaius do an altrustic thing in the flashback that he'd not admit to.
Instead he's now the Dan Fielding of cybernetics.
I agree though, this would have been better pacing in the first season or two.
The Kara/Zack flashbacks would have been better juxtaposed with Kara's stay on New Caprica for example.
Edit: Russ, you mean Hera, not Athena right?
Count me as disappointed too. Does anyone else get the feeling that none of the remaining questions are going to get answered?
About Baltar:
I think he is going to join up for the final mission. I swore I saw him in the previews for next week holding a pistol.
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I agree, it was disappointing. Drawing the proverbial line in the sand is a weak attempt at best to show the characters' convictions. It was "fluffy" in my opinion, no real substance there at all.
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What do you mean by Cylon goo?
All the gunk being spread around Galactica in order to reinforce the hull of the ship.
Plus, shouldn't he be there for the final "revelation" of the opera house?
One would think, but I'm not exactly holding out hope that they even mention it. Ever since the end of the mutiny the show has crept along. The episodes have been good but when there are are only a couple left to go you really don't want them spending all their time on set up.
Ok, who is excited as all FRAK for the finale tomorrow night!!!!
I'm sitting here, all pods a-twitch!!!
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James Jacobs, Jason Bulmahn, Wes Schneider and I are gathering to watch the finale together tomorrow.
Very excited to see how it all plays out!
I thought about having a finale get together, but I got a D&D game tonight! So it's off to VCR (yes, I am a caveman) city for me. I'll watch it after the game or in the morning.
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G~ds I hope not.They all have a battle near a black hole and reset time so that "all this has happened before and all of this will happen again" dang star trek time loops!You've nailed this one on the head. Dag, yo... :D
I hope not either. I hope they are just going to do a strong character driven story with an ending that no one expects, that doesn't tie up every loose end.
Now THAT was a frackin' battle!!!
I'm not sure if the ending really answered any of the remaining questions but it was definitely unique and as to be expected (mostly) sad.
They killed Racetrack. Isn't she too hot to die?
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When all is said and done, I felt that the finale was rather anti-climactic. I didn't mind that some of the threads were left dangling, I just wanted to see a story where the climax didn't come so early in the story. The Stargate Atlantis finale is a good example, there was tension right up until almost the very end.
When all is said and done, I felt that the finale was rather anti-climactic. I didn't mind that some of the threads were left dangling, I just wanted to see a story where the climax didn't come so early in the story. The Stargate Atlantis finale is a good example, there was tension right up until almost the very end.
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I agree. The battle ended and I looked at the clock and there was still nearly an hour to go. I was wondering what they were going to do to fill the time.
The whole giving up their technology to live in harmony with nature and the cavemen seemed really sunshiney and lollipops for a dark, depressing show like Galactica had been.
But, you guys are missing the warning at the end. We are building the cylons again right now!
It will all happen again, just as it has happened before. Why are humans so self-destructive?
I thought it was stupid that several of them went off to live alone and die. But, overall I liked it, and will give it a grade of A.
I wonder if Herra had any brothers or sisters...
So basically the Galactica was the Frak'n B-Ark?
Can anyone tell me exactly how it ended. My stupid taping ended right after the six and baltar went off to become farmers.
Also, how many different spinoffs are they planning to milk out of this? At least two that I saw.
Thanks guys, though I did see about 99% of the show. Now if someone would like to use a spoiler block and actually let me know what the very last few minutes had, since my recording stopped right as baltar and his lady walked off. I'd appreciate it. Thanks again.
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Ok, except for the Starbuck part, I liked the ending.
Actually having Head-Gaius and Head-Six being agents of the divine was kind of frustrating, as was 'no happy ending for Galen/Boomer.' I did cheer when Tori got hers. I think it showed that the Chief really loved Cally. That Gaius is redeemed is a nice change from the original Baltar, who had no redeeming qualities in the brief time that series ran.
Seeing the Galactica's spine break post jump made me cry.
As to your comments Pres man
In the end it all comes down to free will
As to Starbuck
Matthew
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Thanks guys, though I did see about 99% of the show. Now if someone would like to use a spoiler block and actually let me know what the very last few minutes had, since my recording stopped right as baltar and his lady walked off. I'd appreciate it. Thanks again.
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I agree with everything you said. What I meant by Sunshiney is that for a show where nearly every single character was selfish, consumed by revenge or generally a jerk all decided to drop everything and start over from scratch with only the clothes on their back. Sure we know that 90% of them are going to starve to death or get eaten but it was portrayed as some wonderful new beginning for mankind. I thought it seemed out of character for such a normally depressing show.
The end was a flash forward 150,000 years to modern day earth with Head Balter and Six discussing how decedent society was becoming, much like Kobol, other Earth and Caprica had. Six claims that maybe everything won't happen again this time, then they show a montage of the increasingly lifelike robots that are currently being made.
We're Dooooooooooooomed!
In the end it all comes down to free will
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Speaking of Helo, who else thought he was dead. The last we see him he is bleeding out after being shot. Then for the longest time nothing. Everybody else is shown settling into their new world but no sign of Helo until off in the distance behind the Tighs are a couple with a little girl. Yeah. You can't kill the guy who scored with two (nearly three) separate versions of Grace Park.
A favorite moment:
Admiral Hoshi.
Especially after being told by Tigh that he'd never make Admiral after spilling coffee on the plotting table in Part I.
Thanks Steve. I had gotten the impression it was something like that, but it is nice to know exactly how it ended.
The Last scene should have been a maternity ward and as go close up on a baby boy, we see his name is John Connor.
Dun..du. Dun..Du..Dun!
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I am not saying I hated the ending, however. At best I think it was adequate. I would hate to see what Gene Roddenberry or Lucas would've done here instead. Darth Boomer anyone?
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So... yeah.
Except, they didn't come. It was reduced to 'Gods Plan'. Quite aside from the interesting in universe morality of accepting the plan of a higher power which involves 99.99999% of the human population getting exterminated, it's the ultimate cop out. Having such a good show boiled down to that level of (literal) deus ex machina was quite sad.
Sigh. Seriously depressing. Also, the Luddism is almost offensive. Nice to see the remaining 30,000 of human civilisation trade in technology for suffering and an average life span of 30 years.
Still, at least we have The Plan coming up.
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I think this is the first TV show I have ever seen that was spectacular, start to finish.
How about this--I didn't know: CYLON is an acronym for Cybernetic Life-form Node.
I also did not know this.
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I think this is the first TV show I have ever seen that was spectacular, start to finish.
How about this--I didn't know: CYLON is an acronym for Cybernetic Life-form Node.
It's a retronym. Made up to fit the name after the fact. That's part of why it's so silly.
And really, not very many of the cylons qualify as cyborgs (both mechanical and organic). The raiders are an example that does.
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And really, not very many of the cylons qualify as cyborgs (both mechanical and organic). The raiders are an example that does.
Not trying to nitpick, but cybernetic is distinctly different from cyborg, so there's nothing incorrect about describing all Cylons as 'cybernetic.' All cyborgs must be cybernetic (organisms), but not all cybernetics (life-forms) must be cyborgs.
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Not trying to nitpick, but cybernetic is distinctly different from cyborg, so there's nothing incorrect about describing all Cylons as 'cybernetic.' All cyborgs must be cybernetic (organisms), but not all cybernetics (life-forms) must be cyborgs.
In scifi, it's more often used to refer to cybernetic implants (i.e. what you use to make a cyborg) than robotics. But since it can be used for robotics, I suppose it isn't contradictory.
Still, hate retronyms. Either come up with your acronym the first time around (or even the 2nd for BSG), or don't make one. Though of course the shows can do what they want with their IP :)
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I just watched the last three episodes tonight. My thoughts and questions on the finale--
-I don't understand why Cavil killed himself.
-In the end, I don't get the significance of Number 7, Daniel--why did they even mention him? I don't think enough development was garnered from it just to see a little more into Cavil.
-I kept waiting for someone to decide to set up a base camp on Mount Olympus or anywhere in Greece
-I haven't figured out at all how any of them were the key to the continuance of the human or Cylon races, especially if all they did was interbreed with the indigenous people. I guess 150,000 BCE is roughly the rise of Homo Sapiens, so it might be suggested that Colonial/Cylon DNA eventually selected over early human DNA after a few ten-thousand years.
-Was 'Eve' Hera or the gravesite of Rosalin?
-They seriously didn't keep any tech?
-And the whole plan was to disperse 39k people across the entire globe? And they allowed their best and brightest to just do whatever? This was Adama's idea, and everyone just said OK?
-I saw a column of people walking off into the distance carrying duffle bags. They are not going to get far--have you ever carried a duffle bag? That's right, it's not fun, and there aren't any sidewalks or roads, not to mention the giant frakin' lions and mammoths.
-After all that, I can't help but feel like they just gave up. With no plan, in a dangerous and new environment, and no tech for these tech-dependent Colonials, they'll probably lose at least 75% of their population in a year.
-Tyrol is off to Ireland all by himself? Is he suicidal?
-Galen and Caprica are going to be farmers? Seriously?
-I guess all the Cylons who decided to stay on Earth account for that twin we all have somewhere... ha, ha.
Despite all this, and manymanymanymany more questions, I love the entire series and really enjoyed this last season. Excellent, excellent last episode.
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Some answers...
Caevil's death apparently came from Dean Stockwell, figuring it's what he would do when it was clear his vengeance had failed once and for all.
#7 didn't pay off at all, I agree. I think it was just to fill in that hole left after having named 8 models early on (pre-final 5)
The mitochondrial Eve (not the same as the Biblical eve) was hera
The plan was indeed silly
Tyrol is the Highlander
I thought the finale was ok. Most of the questions in the series were answered, although leaving the Kara situation hanging puts the lie to the marketing ("All will be revealed"). Ultimately, too much was left up to the nebulous hand of god for my taste - I don't consider obvious miracles to be sound writing.
But certainly the series ended much better than the dismal season 3 drop indicated it would, and it did wrap things up in a way that made sense, for the most part.
I'm surprised at the negative reaction to the spiritual/mystical moments in the final episode. The original BSG was heavy into mythology and religion; this iteration was as well. Faith and the unexplainable *are* parts of the human experience, and BSG was, first and last, about the human experience (just using SF trappings to make it look cool).
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Now THAT was a frackin' battle!!!
I'm not sure if the ending really answered any of the remaining questions but it was definitely unique and as to be expected (mostly) sad.
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I agree - the battle was great and tense and desperate.
The Chief/Tory interrupt of the truce, coupled with the Racetrack nuclear 'accident' reminded me of the final battle in Le Morte d'Arthur where Arthur and Modred's armies are in kind of a standoff truce, but then one of the soldiers sees a snake and whips out his sword to kill it and the other side assumes treason and the battle begins anew, leading to a tragic battle that was almost avoided.
The ending also reminded me a bit of the Return of the King movie - which likewise many folks didn't like because it seemed like a long anticlimax, but I really enjoyed because it was kind of a melancholy long farewell. You can't really go home again, and in that quiet place after you finally find rest, sometimes there's not a happy ending, just a long twilight that fades to night.
I enjoyed it. It didn't answer every question, but I'm okay with that, and I enjoyed the spiritual/mystical aspects.
Some of my favorite moments:
- seeing the old-school Cylons
- President Romo Lampkin! WTF?
- Six and Gaius looking at each other and saying "You can see them?" about their chip/angel analogs.
- seeing lots of "stuf get blowed up reel gud" in the battle scenes
- Boomer's redemption and acceptance of her fate from Athena
- did I mention seeing the old-school Cylons?
- seeing the fleet heading into the sun (I'm sure the visual of the fleet flying away into the distance in just that same formation was part of the old show credits) with the old theme song.
Two thumbs up from me.
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I'm surprised at the negative reaction to the spiritual/mystical moments in the final episode. The original BSG was heavy into mythology and religion; this iteration was as well. Faith and the unexplainable *are* parts of the human experience, and BSG was, first and last, about the human experience (just using SF trappings to make it look cool).
Faith is fine. Having deus ex machina's aren't. It's a lazy plot device, used by hack writers. Anyway..
Sure, they had no chance of establishing a Caprica level city. But a renaissance, or even industrial revolution level city? At least it'd have kept people alive in some semblance of civilisation, rather then condemning them to a Luddite slow death. The fact this show portrayed Luddism as a good thing frankly angered me.
Sigh. A show that gave us episodes such as '33', 'Dirty Hands', 'Pegasus and 'Exodus' gives us an ending like that. Really disappointing. Especially so, given how good the first hour or so of the episode was. I don't want to end a post on this series negatively, so I'll talk about some good things about the episode now.
The Opera House as Galactica was pretty good too. Cavil was awesome as always, especially his 'You're keeping two civilisations waiting' line. Tyrol killing Tori was well deserved (though, Tori's desperate attempts before linking to absolve herself were quite tragic). Racetrack getting to destroy the Colony after death was awesome (though, ultra sad that she and her co-pilot died). Finally, the scene of Galactica breaking her back after the final jump was utterly heartbreaking.