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How common is to call a kid with the name of a deity, specially those who once where human like: Iomedae, Cayden and Norgorber?
use the names of Saints is in some places common for what I remember: Saint Alika in Korvosa for example.
For what I have read is quite common to name newborns in honor of heroes and saints (which is common in RL too), so how common would be to found chelexian girls with the name of Iomedae, or Taldans with the name Cayden?
real life examples give us thousands or millions of Jesus, Christ, Mary (Maria) or Jose (Joseph)
Don't know if in different cultures with different religions happens something like this.
This happened In FR a few times there was a sidebar about naming that for say showed how Elmister of shadow dale wasn't confused with Elmister the blacksmith
I do not think children are named after gods there.Well maybe cyric as it was a fairly common nae before he became a god.
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As we all know, in fantasy worlds no two people ever share a first name =p
that is not true :P
we just don't have so much NPC compared to the world population :Pbut there are at least references in golarion of people with the same name :)
other example is in the Saga the Song of Fire and Ice there were in some noble and not noble families people called similar or the same... one of thelrodshad a dozen grandsons and granddaughters called after him... just because their parents wanted to appeal to him and gave them the mantle of lordship when he died...
This happened In FR a few times there was a sidebar about naming that for say showed how Elmister of shadow dale wasn't confused with Elmister the blacksmith
I do not think children are named after gods there.Well maybe cyric as it was a fairly common nae before he became a god.
interesting input,that was what I was thinking... what happens with the mortal names the gods used while being mortal? they become discontinued or does pius parents chose to name their sons after their deity, even if as a second name asway of thanking him or her?
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We'll probably never have an NPC named after a deity in an adventure, for the same reason we try to avoid having NPCs with the same name.
In the real world, there's lots of folks named James, for example. We have three of them at Paizo, in fact.
But having multiple people in an adventure, say, named Nualia or Vencarlo would just be confusing; it'd be tough to keep straight in text which one we were talking about. Same goes for naming NPCs after deities; if we talk about Calistria, we don't want to have to add a sentence after her name spelling out WHICH Calistria we're talking about.
Well if ya go by the realms I think names that are kinda like a gods name are used There was Mystra who's name was close to Mystryl's, yet once she became a god that name soon feel out of use...well the people that used it most were also mostly dead or scattered.
Still the name fell out of use in time that by the 1300's it was un heard of to name a child that.
Alot would depend on the place and the god, I mean cryic was a common name 20 years back, but who wants to share a name with the god of murder and lies?
Then ya have to look at is it sacrilege to do so? some nuts may think so and decide to fix the issue, normally is a bloody fired induced way.
I would say names that sound close might be in use but I don't know how common the names themselves would be.
In are world you see people named after saints but outside Hispanics how many guys you know named Jesus, Buddha or Mohammad much less Odin ?
Just saying the saint naming was a catholic thing, so it spreed by one faith but even they never used a gods name
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We'll probably never have an NPC named after a deity in an adventure, for the same reason we try to avoid having NPCs with the same name.
In the real world, there's lots of folks named James, for example. We have three of them at Paizo, in fact.
But having multiple people in an adventure, say, named Nualia or Vencarlo would just be confusing; it'd be tough to keep straight in text which one we were talking about. Same goes for naming NPCs after deities; if we talk about Calistria, we don't want to have to add a sentence after her name spelling out WHICH Calistria we're talking about.
i understand James, for an adventure as for an history one needs to have present clearly who are you talking about...
but ouside adventures, what is your input in Golarion as a world? its more for the sake of understanding the world a bit better... and also... what if a player wanted his character to be named after an npc... or a god?
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Well if ya go by the realms I think names that are kinda like a gods name are used There was Mystra who's name was close to Mystryl's, yet once she became a god that name soon feel out of use...well the people that used it most were also mostly dead or scattered.
Still the name fell out of use in time that by the 1300's it was un heard of to name a child that.
Alot would depend on the place and the god, I mean cryic was a common name 20 years back, but who wants to share a name with the god of murder and lies?
Then ya have to look at is it sacrilege to do so? some nuts may think so and decide to fix the issue, normally is a bloody fired induced way.
yes... i seethis happening... but what about Kelemvor? he is neutral, respected and who would mess with the god of the dead?
and assassin's child could call their sons and daughter's Cyric, but enver in public?
I would say names that sound close might be in use but I don't know how common the names themselves would be.
i have meet to Hitlers, well not meet... but talked to them... one of them was a client in the last place i worked, the other one is a supplier for the place now i work.
In are world you see people named after saints but outside Hispanics how many guys you know named Jesus, Buddha or Mohammad much less Odin ?
i know 2 Odins in real life, one here in Mexico but his parents are european, the other i don't remember where is him
i do believe Mohoma or Mohammed is not a problem for a name for muslims... while they won't call a child Alah
also Buda is not his real name, but the name he took... I... don't remember which was his real name... will have to check for it later
Just saying the saint naming was a catholic thing, so it spreed by one faith but even they never used a gods name
yes, this I understand and had in mind
for the same reason I am interested in learning if there is such traditions in Golarion, I know a limited expecter of cultures so by asking things like this i learn more
Somewhere it was mentioned that there are people with the surname Cailean: either relatives of the mortal Cayden or orphans who adopted the name (no pun intended).
My suggestion for naming someone after a deity: Add some random syllables to all or part of the god's name and claim it means "favored by [your deity here]".
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Joseph/Yosef is a common Jewish name, despite it also being the name of a significant biblical figure.
Mary/Miryam is also a common Jewish name.
Jesus/Yehoshu'a is yet again a common Jewish name.
Christos is not a Jewish name, but technically just means "anointed".
As for being named for a deity, many common names include such in their structure, even if the person is not named "Deity".
My name, Samuel, means "Name of (the Creator)" or "(The Creator) Has Heard".
Classically, Hannibal means "the Grace of Ba'al".
I am sure there is some Golarion equivalent of Hanniabadar or somesuch.
Of course, as James noted, that would rather be begging for confusion, so I understand why we would not see such.
Damn. My kids already have names.
I suppose I could see if they would be up for a bit of renaming though.
Is anyone else considering this or naming their next child after Golarion deities or saints?
I don't know about in the game, but young Rovagug Martin is doing quite well. And living up to his namesake: I imprisoned him under the house twice last week and the little scamp chewed his way out each time! Not bad for a two year old...
Good to see at least someone else is on the same page as me.
CJ
How common is to call a kid with the name of a deity, specially those who once where human like: Iomedae, Cayden and Norgorber?
I don't know about exactly having divine names, and James lays out excellent reasons to avoid doubling up on names for anyone the PCs are expected to remember, but I do recall 'Areodus' or something similar on a list of example Chelish names.
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I don't know about exactly having divine names, and James lays out excellent reasons to avoid doubling up on names for anyone the PCs are expected to remember, but I do recall 'Areodus' or something similar on a list of example Chelish names.How common is to call a kid with the name of a deity, specially those who once where human like: Iomedae, Cayden and Norgorber?
Thanks Ross. that was another thing I had in mind too, I did notice the name, but since the Last Azlani might well bethe last to ebar the name Aroden its easier to use that kind of name :)
After finished playing yesterday I asked myself and a friend what had happened in Golarion with all the people called as the living gods, also I read that is usual to call boys Wayde (heroe) and girls Alika (saint) in Korvosa.
storywise I understand why is not a good idea to have people with the same name, it lends itself to much confusion.
I thanks everyone for their commentaries either serious or funny...
no I won't call my daughter Iomedae... its will sound too weird in spanish... maybe if I was greek... Desna would be easier but while nice she is not my favorite goddess, and Sheylin would be cut to Sheyla... which sounds too much for a tabledancer... so no good at all :P
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Well if ya go by the realms I think names that are kinda like a gods name are used There was Mystra who's name was close to Mystryl's, yet once she became a god that name soon feel out of use...well the people that used it most were also mostly dead or scattered. ... I would say names that sound close might be in use but I don't know how common the names themselves would be.
The Forgotten Realms are a special case, because it's common for gods to have the power of "hearing their name and the next ten words spoken". That's inconvenient when there's a whole lot of little Pelors running around.
In are world you see people named after saints but outside Hispanics how many guys you know named Jesus, Buddha or Mohammad much less Odin ?
Funny you should mention the Norse. Answer: a lot. Take a look at tax rolls and census data for Scandanavian countries in the middle ages. Lots of boys named "Thor" or "Thor's X" where X is a weapon, or "the god's X" (Aesgeirr means "the god's spear"). Lots of girls named Frigg.
I can't speak about period practices of devout Hindus.
Just saying the saint naming was a Catholic thing, so it spread by one faith but even they never used a god's name
Catholic and Protestant. (Lutheran Germany didn't abandon saints' names. Variations on "Mary" remain the most popular girl's name in Europe. English Puritans started naming kids after virtues like "Praisegod" and "Fly fornication".
In Golarion, here the gods make known their presence and desires in very real ways, every day, I imagine that devout parents might dedicate their children with virtues or divine attributes. If you meet an orc named "Hunger", you don't have to guess who her parents worshipped.
As we all know, in fantasy worlds no two people ever share a first name =p
You weren't present during the infamous Pharaun Incident...
other example is in the Saga the Song of Fire and Ice there were in some noble and not noble families people called similar or the same.
Ice comes before fire.
You're referring to the numerous Walders of house Frey. Old Walder Frey was the only noble who could raise an army from his breeches.
Well if ya go by the realms I think names that are kinda like a gods name are used There was Mystra who's name was close to Mystryl's, yet once she became a god that name soon feel out of use...well the people that used it most were also mostly dead or scattered.
The first Mystra was the reincarnation of Mystryl, though now that you mention it, I do remember that in the Netheril Trilogy, they mentioned a young girl who apparently became the new incarnation. I cannot remember her name, though, and I never read anything more about this beyond the novels, so how much of the girl survived being the next incarnation of the most powerful deity of Toril is open to debate.
The second Mystra had a very different name: Midnight (and that wasn't even her truename, who was a lot different, too). She just chose Mystra as her divine name to pick up where her predecessor left off more smoothly.
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I was really hoping this thread was about someone who actually named their kid Rovagug in real life...
Yeah, I expected to come in and see that someone had named their newborn after a Golarion Deity as well. Interesting idea, but my wife would kill me if I said I wanted to name our daughter Calistria. She already put her foot down quite emphatically when I wanted Caliope for a girl or Artemis for a boy. It was funny watching family member's faces though when I told them that those were actually the names we had chosen. The looks on their faces as they tried to figure out wht to say were priceless! =D
We setteld on Caitlin and Seth by the way.
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I was really hoping this thread was about someone who actually named their kid Rovagug in real life...We setteld on Caitlin and Seth by the way.
You could probably call him 'Set' without her catching on. As for Caitlin, I think you're stuck.
I, too, was hoping this was a thread about kids in the real world named Desna or Torag.
In are world you see people named after saints but outside Hispanics how many guys you know named Jesus, Buddha or Mohammad much less Odin ?
Er...Mohammad (or Muhammad or Mahmoud, etc.) is probably one of the most popular names in Muslim countries.
On the subject of double naming of NPCs, in my Shackled City campaign there's a certain Lord Otiluke Vhalantru (no relation to the archmage)...
Hmm, Cayden Morris does have a ring to it. Well it would be Charles Cayden Morris, but still.
According to the government of Alberta, they registered 14 boys named Cayden in 2002. There was also one girl named Shelynn and two girls named Shalyn, but no Shelyns. I didn't check Rovagug or Lamashtu. :)
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other example is in the Saga the Song of Fire and Ice there were in some noble and not noble families people called similar or the same.
Ice comes before fire.
You're referring to the numerous Walders of house Frey. Old Walder Frey was the only noble who could raise an army from his breeches.
thanks for the correction and remembeing me the name... that family indeed is confusing... between Freys and Rivers (their bastards) you have to much to work on... there always a Frey killing, being killed or made prisioner... in almost every battle :S
I haven't taken those booksin a few years, I need to read again A Game of Thrones so I can continue with the rest of 'A Song of Ice & Fire'
I was really hoping this thread was about someone who actually named their kid Rovagug in real life...We setteld on Caitlin and Seth by the way.You could probably call him 'Set' without her catching on. As for Caitlin, I think you're stuck.
I, too, was hoping this was a thread about kids in the real world named Desna or Torag.
lol I am sorry if Igave you all such idea :P
I have no descendency so I still have time... still my favoritegoodess would be a no no :P... but maybe Calistria... I could callher Cali for short :P|
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Hmm, Cayden Morris does have a ring to it. Well it would be Charles Cayden Morris, but still.According to the government of Alberta, they registered 14 boys named Cayden in 2002. There was also one girl named Shelynn and two girls named Shalyn, but no Shelyns. I didn't check Rovagug or Lamashtu. :)
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According to the government of Alberta, they registered 14 boys named Cayden in 2002. There was also one girl named Shelynn and two girls named Shalyn, but no Shelyns. I didn't check Rovagug or Lamashtu. :)
According the US Social Security site, there were 2,311 Caydens born in 2007.
According the US Social Security site, there were 2,311 Caydens born in 2007.
I bet there's at least one Shelyn, then...
I don't know about in the game, but young Rovagug Martin is doing quite well. And living up to his namesake: I imprisoned him under the house twice last week and the little scamp chewed his way out each time! Not bad for a two year old...
Thought I was the only one with a little Rovarug. I wonder how common a name it is after all.
Thought I was the only one with a little Rovarug. I wonder how common a name it is after all.
Rovagug, not Rovarug. That reminds me -- in that province of Alberta name file I linked above, it says that someone named their son D'Artangnan (sic).
Not a Golarion name, but I'm determined to name my first son "Link" when the time comes.
Wake Uplink! I, mean, wake up, Link! But never crosslink. Uh, cross Link!
Even if everyone forgot Zelda, that name makes it way to easy for me to mock him. Uh, I mean, makes it easy for people to mock him...
And don't let your wife (if you already have one) hear about it, or she'll get hormone treatment to only get girls...
Artemis for a boy.
Artemis is a girl's name. It's just that a certain author and inventor of a certain drow is fond of naming male characters after females.
there always a Frey killing, being killed or made prisioner... in almost every battle :S
They're all the same, though.
I haven't taken those booksin a few years
I read it only recently, which is probably why I remembered it. Plus, I know a Frey myself, though she's not named Walder, thank all the seven Gods, and the Old Gods as well.
One decent decent thing (about hundreds) about the Song is that the names are, for the most part, sounding like real names. There's some variations like Samwell (though that's more a different spelling), but very few Arthoolios or stuff like that.
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Artemis is a girl's name. It's just that a certain author and inventor of a certain drow is fond of naming male characters after females.
Artemis for a boy.
I agree
Artemis is also Minerva, greek goodess of hunting, the moon and things I do not remember...I read it only recently, which is probably why I remembered it. Plus, I know a Frey myself, though she's not named Walder, thank all the seven Gods, and the Old Gods as well.
One decent decent thing (about hundreds) about the Song is that the names are, for the most part, sounding like real names. There's some variations like Samwell (though that's more a different spelling), but very few Arthoolios or stuff like that.
agreed
the names are no strange conjugations, but realistic in nature, and Ibelieve some of them are written as they were in the past... Fernand, was once Ferdinand, or at least such comes to mindthe world GRR Martin gave us is deeply human, with its failings and virtues... but as someone said... 'in the game of Thrones... either you win or you die' as more than one MAIN character learns the bad way
The Norse sagas have several stories about the god Loki, and also a king named after him, who is referred to as "Utgard Loki" which roughly translates as "The Other Loki".
The Kalevala (Finnish epic) includes a god and a king named after him (in this case Untamo, the dream god), but they're only distinguished by context (and never appear in the same story).
We'll probably never have an NPC named after a deity in an adventure, for the same reason we try to avoid having NPCs with the same name.
Yeah, but you have no problem giving characters and places all names that sound similar. ;) In AoW, I kept thinking, which 'Al' are we dealing with now? Is it Alaster? No, that's the kid we met at the beginning of the campaign. Is it Alhaster? Oh that's the city we're in right now? Maybe it's Allustan. No wait, that's the wizard we met back in Diamond Lake. So who is this guy? Eligos? Well at least it's spelled differently.
By the way, this post is all in fun. I hope it comes across that way.
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Artemis is also Minerva, greek goodess of hunting, the moon and things I do not remember...
Slight correction:
Artemis IS the greek goddess of hunting and the forest. In roman mythology her equivalent would be Diana which is also a goddess of the moon (normally it's Luna/Selene)
Minerva is more the roman equivalent to Athene.
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Artemis is also Minerva, greek goodess of hunting, the moon and things I do not remember...Slight correction:
Artemis IS the greek goddess of hunting and the forest. In roman mythology her equivalent would be Diana which is also a goddess of the moon (normally it's Luna/Selene)
Minerva is more the roman equivalent to Athene.
gah!
ok... this really makes me feel ashamed, I stand corrected!thanks
I was really hoping this thread was about someone who actually named their kid Rovagug in real life...
Chances are you'd need a celebrity to go that far. Vin Diesel used to play D&D and went so far as to tattoo his character's name on his stomach. I'll bet if you introduced him to Pathfinder, then hooked him up with a nice lady...
gah!
ok... this really makes me feel ashamed, I stand corrected!
thanks
That's nothing. I once confused Ceres and Eros. The priestesses were quite pissed.
"What do you mean? You want us to feed you?"
Vin Diesel used to play D&D and went so far as to tattoo his character's name on his stomach.
He wasn't in my campaign. Because he wouldn't tattoo anything about his character, anywhere. My players have little whiteboards with dry erase markers because with that, they can wipe out their characters' stats almost as quickly as I can wipe out their characters. ;-)
My name is Taliesin. I will call my son Merlin when he is born in June.
My name is Taliesin. I will call my son Merlin when he is born in June.
That's pretty cool right there.
I'd like to be able to name any sons I have: Setanta, Fergus, and Connor from the Cattle Raid of Cooley.
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I remember in the Elminster book, where he's first starting his career, his father figure/mentor was a man named Helm... ::shrug::
And I'm pretty sure a certain Japanese manga artist used Artemis as a male's name first. Granted, it was a talking cat, but still.
Sailor Moon and their cats doesn't count :P childs are allowed to call their pets whatever they want
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It might vary culturally. In Spanish-speaking countries Jesus is a common name while in English that would be peculiar (and in Finnish pretty much nonexistent, while otherwise Bible is pretty well covered...)
Saints should be fair game anywhere, but gods necessarily not.
I was really hoping this thread was about someone who actually named their kid Rovagug in real life...
Well, I don't know about calling my daughter Rovagug, but I will be more than happy to call her mother that. It fits her to a tee.