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Snorter wrote:
Crusader of Logic wrote:
In such cases, they literally suffer a fate worse than death. *insert dubious face smiley here*

I've done that; in one instance, a PC who went burgling a totally innocent family lost a fight to an Expert2 in his nightshirt, with a candlestick, and I had him disembowelled on the roof of the court, to a baying crowd, and his entrails thrown to the crows who flock there.

Funnily enough, his next PC was law-abiding, and even got himself deputised to the last PC's executioner.

See, not only is death preferable to losing equipment (the former is easier to recover from, the latter is forced character retirement) it's also capable of being more amusing.


Crusader of Logic wrote:
See, not only is death preferable to losing equipment (the former is easier to recover from, the latter is forced character retirement) it's also capable of being more amusing.

Correct. Your individual well-being is irrelevant. Your death will serve the collective. Your technology will be assimilated.


CyborgRodent_of_Logic wrote:
Crusader of Logic wrote:
See, not only is death preferable to losing equipment (the former is easier to recover from, the latter is forced character retirement) it's also capable of being more amusing.
Correct. Your individual well-being is irrelevant. Your death will serve the collective. Your technology will be assimilated.

Actually it's because True Res is cheaper than moderate and major items, which is why things like Mordenkainen's Game Disjunction, Improved Break Own Treasure, and other nonsense constitutes surefire signs your DM hates you.

The Borg jokes are only funny when used in the right context and not overused Tarren. You're wearing out your troll routine. Stop it.

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Crusader of Logic wrote:
CyborgRodent_of_Logic wrote:
Crusader of Logic wrote:
See, not only is death preferable to losing equipment (the former is easier to recover from, the latter is forced character retirement) it's also capable of being more amusing.
Correct. Your individual well-being is irrelevant. Your death will serve the collective. Your technology will be assimilated.

Actually it's because True Res is cheaper than moderate and major items, which is why things like Mordenkainen's Game Disjunction, Improved Break Own Treasure, and other nonsense constitutes surefire signs your DM hates you.

The Borg jokes are only funny when used in the right context and not overused Tarren. You're wearing out your troll routine. Stop it.

And yet your troll routine just goes on forever, right?


Hypocrisy is moot. You will be assimated.


I don't have a troll routine. Now you're just being a bunch of idiots. Hey, you want to turn this topic into my smiting grounds, be my guest. Otherwise, go back to making funny jokes. Alternately, stop the nonsense entirely.

It amuses me greatly these so called 'respected regulars' are guilty of far worse than those they rally against and attempt to ostracize as a mob. You'd think ya know, they'd act worthy of being respected. See first paragraph.

Liberty's Edge

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Crusader of Logic wrote:

I don't have a troll routine. Now you're just being a bunch of idiots. Hey, you want to turn this topic into my smiting grounds, be my guest. Otherwise, go back to making funny jokes. Alternately, stop the nonsense entirely.

It amuses me greatly these so called 'respected regulars' are guilty of far worse than those they rally against and attempt to ostracize as a mob. You'd think ya know, they'd act worthy of being respected. See first paragraph.

Piece of free advice: If you want respect, you give it. You have not given people here any respect and have been frequently rude and insulting. Consequently, you are not going to get respect and will be insulted and mocked as you mocked others.

If you want to be treated as anything other than a whiny brat, behave better than one. This isn't a difficult concept and you've been given this advice several times but you don't appear to be able to comprehend it.

Liberty's Edge

Crusader of Logic wrote:

I don't have a troll routine. Now you're just being a bunch of idiots. Hey, you want to turn this topic into my smiting grounds, be my guest. Otherwise, go back to making funny jokes. Alternately, stop the nonsense entirely.

It amuses me greatly these so called 'respected regulars' are guilty of far worse than those they rally against and attempt to ostracize as a mob. You'd think ya know, they'd act worthy of being respected. See first paragraph.

So, back to my original point then:

what exactly about accusing Aubrey the Malformed of sockpuppetry is NOT trolling? You do have a troll routine. Any time you want to stop the nonsense is fine with me. Dealing with churlish brats is really tedious.

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Crusader of Logic wrote:

I don't have a troll routine. Now you're just being a bunch of idiots. Hey, you want to turn this topic into my smiting grounds, be my guest. Otherwise, go back to making funny jokes. Alternately, stop the nonsense entirely.

It amuses me greatly these so called 'respected regulars' are guilty of far worse than those they rally against and attempt to ostracize as a mob. You'd think ya know, they'd act worthy of being respected. See first paragraph.

You must have completely turned off the self-reflexive part of your brain if you think my borg stuff is "far worse" than your continued snideness, dismissive attitude, and refusal to entertain others' perspectives. You have been a troll, CoL, in that you spend more time arguing about how, from your narrow combat-oriented focus on maximizing damage and profit, others' proposals are not sufficient, then you do making positive suggestions on how things can be fixed. Whatever you have to say gets buried in your dismissal of others' ideas. That's trolling in my book.

Put forward your own views. We want to hear them. But, when the goal of this endeavour is to encourage a wide variety of opinions, stop shooting down others' ideas before they've fully had a chance to explore them. In your tone and your timing, acknowledge that other people may play the game differently than you do.


Paul Watson wrote:
Crusader of Logic wrote:

I don't have a troll routine. Now you're just being a bunch of idiots. Hey, you want to turn this topic into my smiting grounds, be my guest. Otherwise, go back to making funny jokes. Alternately, stop the nonsense entirely.

It amuses me greatly these so called 'respected regulars' are guilty of far worse than those they rally against and attempt to ostracize as a mob. You'd think ya know, they'd act worthy of being respected. See first paragraph.

Piece of free advice: If you want respect, you give it. You have not given people here any respect and have been frequently rude and insulting. Consequently, you are not going to get respect and will be insulted and mocked as you mocked others.

If you want to be treated as anything other than a whiny brat, behave better than one. This isn't a difficult concept and you've been given this advice several times but you don't appear to be able to comprehend it.

Again, false. I have shown people here some respect. You just have to look at the ones that have something better to do than zerg swarm me and therefore do not devote the vast majority of their efforts to following me around just to take shots at me whenever they can as you and the others involved in the three posts prior to this are doing among others. The zerg swarm gets no respect, as they deserve nothing greater than my scorn, and the verbal sword to the face. Those that decline to join it do get this respect. What about this is difficult to understand? To be fair, those that decline to join the zerg swarm are in a significant minority on this forum, therefore it'd hard to deduce that I do in fact respond to intelligence and reason with intelligence and reason. This nonsense... well, it is similarly reflected back at the user.

Speaking of sword to the face...

Miyamoto Musashi wrote:
"When you are even with an opponent, it is essential to keep thinking of stabbing him in the face with the tip of your sword in the intervals between the opponent's sword blows and your own sword blows. When you have the intention of stabbing your opponent in the face, he will try to get both his face and body out of the way. In the midst of battle, as soon as an opponent tries to get out of the way, you have already won. Therefore it is imperative not to forget the technique of "stabbing the face". This should be cultivated in the course of practicing martial arts."

Liberty's Edge

Oh, Musashi, Musashi.....

What is the way of the troll?


Your logic will not avail you when the master escapes.

We are not your opponents. You cannot comprehend our power and we have no face. Don't kick over the anthill and you won't get swarmed.

Liberty's Edge

Damn straight.


Crusader of Logic wrote:
Again, false. I have shown people here some respect. You just have to look at the ones that have something better to do than zerg swarm me and therefore do not devote the vast majority of their efforts to following me around just to take shots at me whenever they can as you and the others involved in the three posts prior to this are doing among others. The zerg swarm gets no respect, as they deserve nothing greater than my scorn, and the verbal sword to the face. Those that decline to join it do get this respect. What about this is difficult to understand? To be fair, those that decline to join the zerg swarm are in a significant minority on this forum, therefore it'd hard to deduce that I do in fact respond to intelligence and reason with intelligence and reason. This nonsense... well, it is similarly reflected back at the user.

Really? You insulted me and refused to acknowledge points I have made about the impact the ability in question would have on a world and the function of the world. And, frankly, you have been incredibly snide and negative. I appreciate that you subscribe to a particular direction of gaming, but at least accepting that other people play the game in other ways would be more conducive to a polite forum than the constant attacks and snideness that continues going on in your posts.

And, before you accuse me of being a "zerg swarm" or some other such ridiculous insult, I have formed this opinion of your posting style by actually reading your posts, in many threads, throughout my time here. I haven't just bought into the opinions of so-called "celebrity" posters, because I probably don't know enough about the forum community here to know who's a big shot and who's not anyway. I do know rudeness when I see it, though, and I've seen it in abundance.

Now, in the interest of continuing the thread's topic, I continue to feel that the *idea* of the ability is cool and interesting, but the impact it has on the world and the dynamics of the world are potentially disruptive. While I have little real issue with spells like benign transposition due to its limitations (short range, actual spell slots, and the need for another target to swap with, standard action to cast, etc) or anklets of translocation (the cost is prohibitive enough for first and second level characters to afford assuming wealth by level guidelines are being followed), I do feel that this ability, which is incredibly useful, would be something that would be very disruptive both to both adventure planning and to world building.

In any world where there are less beneficent deities or even godless clerics, entire thieves' guilds would be populated by agents with a single level of cleric to easily bypass walls/locks/traps when it's vitally important. I don't feel this ability "helps melee classes" any more than any other dip in a caster class does, and it just makes several things very much out of whack. I once again support the idea of movement without attacks of opportunity, or the situationally advantageous but otherwise less impactful freedom of movement would be much more appropriate to me.


Elder Elemental Eye wrote:

Your logic will not avail you when the master escapes.

We are not your opponents. You cannot comprehend our power and we have no face. Don't kick over the anthill and you won't get swarmed.

Ah. So I'm being zerg swarmed by /b/ tards. That explains everything.

Since you are a /b/ tard, you will have no difficulty understanding this.

Epic Fail is Epic.

Scarab Sages

Crusader of Logic wrote:
Again, false. I have shown people here some respect. You just have to look at the ones that have something better to do than zerg swarm me and therefore do not devote the vast majority of their efforts to following me around just to take shots at me whenever they can as you and the others involved in the three posts prior to this are doing among others. The zerg swarm gets no respect, as they deserve nothing greater than my scorn, and the verbal sword to the face. Those that decline to join it do get this respect.

Hopefully, I count as one of those who haven't 'zerg-swarmed' you (since I don't know what that means)? The nearest I can think of is a 'zoog', from Call of Cthulhu, but that doesn't sound particularly devastating.

I am quite on board with the 'Tier' model, and hence, accept that we need to bring up the melee-types, and calm down the powers of the casters.

I have long been aware of the existence of loopholes like the Wish-Factories, private armies of self-replicating undead, etc, and I have chosen not to use them, so as not to make my DMs heads explode.
For over 30 months, I played a wizard in Shackled City, and for at least half of that time, I had to shackle myself. I voluntarily pretended that certain spells did not exist, or that certain tactics would be impossible, so as not to break the game, and I still got accused of being a cheese-monger (often in jest, but still...and considering the other PCs were a CoDzilla with 150 henchmen, and an Occult Slayer with 6 different base classes, and the local Thieves' Guild...well...).

These issues aren't new, many of them have been around since the earliest days of the game, but they didn't get quite the same notice, since the pace of level-advancement was slower (so fewer people played at high-level), and the Internet hadn't been invented (to allow tips to be swapped, and names to be given to these loopholes).

I trust myself to play sensibly, but it is quite apparent, from personal experience, and online horror-stories, that not everyone can be expected to do the same. That's why I'd like this PFRPG experiment to go ahead smoothly, so everyone can sit down at any game-table, and just play a PC straight out of the book, at whatever the average party level, without having to read a binder full of house-rules, or play for months, then find their PC concept over-ruled.

I have been posting for more balanced classes/feats/spells (NOTE: balance does not have to mean homogenous), on a lot of threads, since I first came here, long before the announcement of 4E (with it's objective of 'all classes must balance') and before PFRPG was even a twinkle in Paizo's eye (with their mantra of 'all classes must be playable from levels 1 to 20').

And, in doing so, I don't believe I have ever upset anyone (apologies to anyone if I have; it was accidental). It just isn't necessary, and what's more, it's counter-productive.

How come it's so easy for me, yet so hard for CoL, Psychic Robot, Frank, K, whoever?


Snorter wrote:
Hopefully, I count as one of those who haven't 'zerg-swarmed' you (since I don't know what that means)? The nearest I can think of is a 'zoog', from Call of Cthulhu, but that doesn't sound particularly devastating.

A zerg is a Starcraft race, defined by their tendency to rush the enemy en masse with nothing going for them except their numbers. Given there are a fairly large number of people around here that love taking advantage of any and every opportunity to insult the big meanieface Crusader of Logic and love going one right after the other I'd say the parallel between them is pretty damn accurate. After all, both are weak except in large numbers and unlike say... kobolds they don't have positive traits like cunning going for them.

You have joined them at times, which is odd as you seem fairly intelligent and should therefore be above such nonsense.

Snorter wrote:

I am quite on board with the 'Tier' model, and hence, accept that we need to bring up the melee-types, and calm down the powers of the casters.

I have long been aware of the existence of loopholes like the Wish-Factories, private armies of self-replicating undead, etc, and I have chosen not to use them, so as not to make my DMs heads explode.
For over 30 months, I played a wizard in Shackled City, and for at least half of that time, I had to shackle myself. I voluntarily pretended that certain spells did not exist, or that certain tactics would be impossible, so as not to break the game, and I still got accused of being a cheese-monger (often in jest, but still...and considering the other PCs were a CoDzilla with 150 henchmen, and an Occult Slayer with 6 different base classes, and the local Thieves' Guild...well...).

These issues aren't new, many of them have been around since the earliest days of the game, but they didn't get quite the same notice, since the pace of level-advancement was slower (so fewer people played at high-level), and the Internet hadn't been invented (to allow tips to be swapped, and names to be given to these loopholes).

I trust myself to play sensibly, but it is quite apparent, from personal experience, and online horror-stories, that not everyone can be expected to do the same. That's why I'd like this PFRPG experiment to go ahead smoothly, so everyone can sit down at any game-table, and just play a PC straight out of the book, at whatever the average party level, without having to read a binder full of house-rules, or play for months, then find their PC concept over-ruled.

I have been posting for more balanced classes/feats/spells (NOTE: balance does not have to mean homogenous), on a lot of threads, since I first came here, long before the announcement of 4E (with it's objective of 'all classes must balance') and before PFRPG was even a twinkle in Paizo's eye (with their mantra of 'all classes must be playable from levels 1 to 20').

And, in doing so, I don't believe I have ever upset anyone (apologies to anyone if I have; it was accidental). It just isn't necessary, and what's more, it's counter-productive.

How come it's so easy for me, yet so hard for CoL, Psychic Robot, Frank, K, whoever?

The simple fact of the matter is that most around here are overly sensitive and have their priorities skewed at best and flat out wrong at worst. The playtest is an open call out for consultation. When you call upon someone for a consultation, you want results. Not molly coddling. I give these results without wasting the reader's time dressing it up and tip toeing about. Time is a limited, non replenishable resource. Wasting it is the epitome of rudeness, which is why I get a laugh every time someone whines that I, or PR, or one of the other direct posters here are being rude.

These people do not want succinct and accurate feedback. They want Super Happy Fun Time, hosted by Ms. Manners. Well, Super Happy Fun Time wastes time and presents a lot of useless fluff the reader has to sort through to get to the point. Moreover, going by the inaccurate definitions used by the offenders here one must constantly waffle about in order to qualify as 'polite'. Problem: If you constantly waffle about, you clearly are not certain of yourself. If you are not certain your feedback is accurate, why would anyone else accord it any credibility? And if no one is taking your feedback seriously, why post it at all? This so called good advice merely results in a degenerative downward spiral that constitutes a one way trip to entropy. Either no one says a damn thing because they don't want to be a victim of the Manner Police's brutality, or everyone says everything, including the stuff that contradicts the other stuff because thinking you might be right about something is rude therefore you cannot focus on any one possibility even when it is clearly the right one.

Now, you have the developers seeking feedback who have plenty of stuff to do and therefore can't waste time filtering out junk to get the point. You have the Manners Police bullying everyone into spamming up their own posts with junk to obfuscate the point. You see the obvious conflict here. What's more, the Polite Police aren't even that polite as they always manage to seek in some little passive aggressive barb or insult to start up more ****. In addition to being the anathema of this forum, they are hypocrites as well. Because ya know, every cake needs its chocolate icing. With sprinkles. Mmm, sprinkles.

The simple fact of the matter is that Polite Police in this instance is a synonym for Troll Squad. And it is impossible not to offend a Troll Squad, as they will feign offense at anything to start more ****. Further, they have no valid points, their sole purpose in life is pointless bull****. I'm saying **** a lot here aren't I?

If you look at the individuals that are actually capable of intelligent thought and at least marginal emotional maturity you will find there is not nearly as much interpersonal conflict due to such simple, but critical things as not taking 'your approach sucks' as a personal insult. In other words, ability to handle constructive criticism automatically negates nearly all of this conflict. PR is on several of the same forums I am. He rarely gets into a fight with anyone else and never has with me. Why? Because we understand 'your approach sucks' is not a personal insult. Especially when it is immediately followed with ways to make your approach not suck. 'Your approach sucks' is the leadoff for an improvement speech. Without improvement there is entropy.

Me? Same deal. The fights only start with someone is blatantly, epically, and willfully wrong in addition to being a total douchebag about it. Example: Idiot says if Wizards are better than Fighters your DM sucks because creative and fun DMs can kick everyone in the balls so they have fun. Yes, I've actually heard someone say that. Not in those exact words, but very close to it. If it were just once, then they get corrected and stop it'd be fine. When they go on insulting every DM in existence (because let's face it, Wizards are better than Fighters will ever be no matter what the DM does), insulting the entire forum, and so forth the smites start.

Here's the exact quote of epic stupidity:

Epic Fail is Epic wrote:

Yes I am CoL. I have about ten pages of rant typed up I was hoping to drop for my 100th post about so-called balance issues in 3.5 but it's not quite done yet and I had to drop a line here about the "what edition are you playing?" FAIL. In short, good, creative, fun DMs that know what they are doing tailor make their campaigns to the specific PCs and what they're good at *and* bad at instead of providing a 1-sided campaign that caters exclusively to any given class or classes.

Minor Example: ( Because I want to make a new thread for said rant when it's finished and not use all my material here) Monks love sunder, disarm, Anti-magic Fields, being stripped of gear etc. because they are *not* screwed by it - however the vast majority of bad DMs do not know how to weave said rules into games to make them fun for both the monk(who gets a chance to shine in said conditions of adversity) and the wizard (who to a large degree merely feels "unfairly hosed" in an AMF** or without a spell-book etc.)

**Blah Blah Blah Mystra Blah Blah Blah Sorcerors Blah Blah Blah Please. You know what I mean. My statement stands in their cases as well.

I don't even know where to begin with that. Overwhelming Aura of Wrong, Fail, and Stupid. And it only gets worse after that. That person got smacked so hard for their idiocy they left the forums completely.

Still, aside from the occasional person that takes a wrong turn, I encounter very little conflict outside of this forum. So clearly I am quite capable of getting along with people overall. It is simply that certain individuals have chosen to be problematic.

Even Frank, who is the biggest example the dissenters love pointing at around here is quite civil and helpful as long as you aren't setting out to actively piss him off. I've had no problems with him, and he deals with questions, comments, and feedback quite well again assuming again you aren't setting out to actively piss him off. He only starts bringing out the epic level insults when you insist that something wrong is right again, and again, and again. Or actively set out to piss him off. Seeing a pattern yet? In other words, his approach is very similar to my own. He's just better at putting the idiots in their place. Not that I'm bad at it, just that he's better.

I don't think K has ever even gotten involved with much outside of their mutual projects and such.

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Crusader of Logic wrote:
The simple fact of the matter is that most around here are overly sensitive and have their priorities skewed at best and flat out wrong at worst. The playtest is an open call out for consultation. When you call upon someone for a consultation, you want results. Not molly coddling. I give these results without wasting the reader's time dressing it up and tip toeing about. Time is a limited, non replenishable resource. Wasting it is the epitome of rudeness, which is why I get a laugh every time someone whines that I, or PR, or one of the other direct posters here are being rude.

Since most of your time is spent telling others they are wrong or wrong to criticize you, you don't meet your own criteria here. Brainstorming involves displaying a certain generosity to others ideas.

You make some excellent suggestions but they are very difficult to find as they are usually buried in criticisms of others points or posts about how we are all picking on you.

Stop wasting time and do what you do best.


The poster wrote:

The simple fact of the matter is that most around here are overly sensitive and have their priorities skewed at best and flat out wrong at worst. The playtest is an open call out for consultation. When you call upon someone for a consultation, you want results. Not molly coddling. I give these results without wasting the reader's time dressing it up and tip toeing about.

In a public forum, where people cannot read your mind, or your body language, manners, politeness, and a lack of aggression are never a waste of time. The manners are the oil on the gears of the process. They keep the gears from causing friction. Manners are more needed when discussing differences of opinion than at any other time. Friction is often entropic. It is wastage of energy as heat. Look at how many of your words are a combat with others, and ask yourself whether you are using your time effectively. A practice I find very useful in any argument or dispute, is to be as polite as I can, to calm everything down to a level where everyone can listen to each other.

The poster wrote:

Time is a limited, non replenishable resource. Wasting it is the epitome of rudeness, which is why I get a laugh every time someone whines that I, or PR, or one of the other direct posters here are being rude.

Time is ours to use as we see fit. Many people apparently want to spend their time helping to make a game. They may not be professional. Many will have bad ideas. Some will be incapable of stating their point clearly. This is something that every collaborative exercise has to deal with. Rudeness and hostility, and childish posturing wastes their time, but more importantly, it causes them to not enjoy the time they are spending. I think being an a&##*$$ and derailing the topic into endless cycles of "He said", "You said", "Epic fail!" wastes far more time than simple courtesy would.

The poster wrote:

These people do not want succinct and accurate feedback. They want Super Happy Fun Time, hosted by Ms. Manners. Well, Super Happy Fun Time wastes time and presents a lot of useless fluff the reader has to sort through to get to the point. Moreover, going by the inaccurate definitions used by the offenders here one must constantly waffle about in order to qualify as 'polite'.

I want a fun time. I want manners. If you constantly raise the pitch of the conversation to strident attacks on other people, and childish flailing about, you obscure your points. You lose your signal to the noise you are making. Try to get along with other people, or get the hell out of the forum.

Grand Lodge

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CoL, to be honest, I could not take your posts seriously in the 'stop buffing fighter' thread until page 4, after you focused on responding to Kirth. When you responded to my thought on SR, I felt condescension from you. I purposefully worded myself placatingly so as to not set you off.

So tell me, how does this promote the discussion of your points? If the average person who happens along avoids talking to you because of your tone, what good are you doing on the forum?

When I post this and my expectation is you're just going to blow me off with a comment about 'stop being a little b!tch', is that a good thing?


For someone b@!#+ing about wasting time on such and such, someone sure has a lot of time to fill up whole forum threads with endless posturing and photoshopped insults.

Scarab Sages

Crusader of Logic wrote:
Elder Elemental Eye wrote:

Your logic will not avail you when the master escapes.

We are not your opponents. You cannot comprehend our power and we have no face. Don't kick over the anthill and you won't get swarmed.

Ah. So I'm being zerg swarmed by /b/ tards. That explains everything.

Since you are a /b/ tard, you will have no difficulty understanding this.

Epic Fail is Epic.

Crusader, that was completely uncalled for.


Jal Dorak wrote:
Crusader of Logic wrote:
Elder Elemental Eye wrote:

Your logic will not avail you when the master escapes.

We are not your opponents. You cannot comprehend our power and we have no face. Don't kick over the anthill and you won't get swarmed.

Ah. So I'm being zerg swarmed by /b/ tards. That explains everything.

Since you are a /b/ tard, you will have no difficulty understanding this.

Epic Fail is Epic.

Crusader, that was completely uncalled for.

Says the person who made the latest alt in the crusade against the crusader. Regardless of whether it was or was not justified you forfeited all right to complain the moment you joined in.

Now. There is polite, and there is 'polite'. I'm seeing a hell of a lot of the latter here, especially from those Polite Police. The former is simply not going out of my way to attack people when it isn't warranted, which I already was doing here and everywhere else. I don't have a problem with the former. It's the latter where you have to spend a paragraph on a sentence to avoid setting off the hypersensitives I rallied against. What's funny though is a lot of forums have been called 'rude' by those here when they're actually quite well behaved as long as you aren't actively being antagonistic. Even the Gamer's Den which is the example of choice qualifies as being unmatched for reasonable and intelligent discussion.

No, I don't really qualify as a Denner. I prefer other forums that are more active. Regardless, the point is that the Polite Police should look in the mirror first.

Liberty's Edge

Listen, Crusader ....

I've been following this thread and enjoying it ... that is until you jumped in and pretty much derailed it. I've noticed that in just about every thread you've jumped into, you seem to have more or less the same effect. I really don't want to become yet another person in the growing line of people that get your rude and derogatory rants directed at (though, since I have the audacity to post this, I'm sure you will do just that)

If you, and anyone else reading this that would also like to, would simply check out Crusaders recent posts, you will see a fairly obvious pattern of rude behavior, name calling and generally undesirable behavior.

Crusader, maybe it's time you took a deep breath, really took a look at how you are behaving and why it seems like you get into so many battles with people ... and then maybe took a break from these boards. I honestly think it would be for the best.

And please ... I'm simply stating an opinion. Please don't launch into a tirade at me now. Instead ... well, like I suggest - maybe you need to spend your free time elsewhere for a while.


Crusader, your attitude is uncalled for. If you feel everyone is swarming you, maybe you should wonder why? I feel like everywhere you post there is just one big argument. I have pretty much stopped reading the playtest threads because of your attacks on people. I stopped reading the 4th forums for the same reason. Too much negativity.

I want Pathfinder to be the best game it can be, but it isn't going to get there with people arguing all the time. The arguments are mostly wasted time anyway. The developers will use what they like and discard the rest. So post your ideas(which I haven't seen any in awhile), follow up with some reasoning, and let it rest. I have no doubt Paizo will see your ideas(along with everyone else's) and use them if they can.


Snorter wrote:
Hopefully, I count as one of those who haven't 'zerg-swarmed' you (since I don't know what that means)? The nearest I can think of is a 'zoog', from Call of Cthulhu, but that doesn't sound particularly devastating.

"The phrase "zerging" has entered video gaming jargon to describe using many low-cost and weak units to overwhelm an enemy." From StarCraft

EDIT: Ninja'd.


Oops. Posted without context. Never mind.

Now I know the context, I can ignore this 'thread'. Thank you and goodnight.


You guys are missing the point. CoL is simply saying that in order to provide useful information, we ALL need to be condescending, whiny, jerks.

That way, we're ALL trolls, so nobody can complain.

I find it absolutely hilarious that 1 in 4 of his posts end up being responses to insults (if not insults themselves) why don't you take your "precious" time somewhere that fits that model a little better?

Nope, instead you will thread crap all over this great board and waste a bunch of everyone's (supposedly precious)time. Lame.

BTW - The Zerg rush is a useful and usually sound tactic that gets results. Since you don't bother actually LISTENING to any of the nice people asking yu to tone it down, there are few other options...Col-land sounds pretty lame tell the truth.


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Maps, Rulebook Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

I do know that several people just skim over CoL posts as not worth trying to sift thru for any actual relevant ideas.

Perhaps if those that feel CoL is annoying and ignore his posts completely, the threads being highjacked for discussions on manners will either slow or stop altogether.

Scarab Sages

well since this topic been jacked so well thought i would post i just added LOS req for the power and it has stopped alot of the problems i was having.

so i cant be bothered to read through all the other crap in this topic

but CoL seems to have the need to have the last word, MAYBE people should just NOT response to his posts, am sure he will get tired of posting when he doesnt get a rise out of everyone(seems to me he enjoys the attention he gets so take that away and maybe he will be nicer)

so can we all just NOT reply to his posts that would clean up ALOT of the crap that seems to be filling up this board(i can see his point as in each topic the same ppl are attacking him and they are as much at fault as he is so stop it and move on)

EDIT: looks like mistwalker and i are on same wave :)

The Exchange

In before the lock!

Actually, in relation to the OP: hate to say I told you so. ;)

Paizo Employee Director of Game Design

This thread has gone well beyond its original topic and some of the posts have been in quite poor taste. Those of you who are responsible need to take a time out and think about why you come here and decide whether or not you can post with decency and respect for the other members on this board.

This thread is closed.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

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