
David Marks |

Since this thread is already off-topic, please excuse me for a moment while I add to that.
Anyone else have the issue where a new page of a thread fails to show up as a selectable option? I've seen this a few times now, when a new page has only a few posts on it. I can read the posts, but only by manually editing the address can I reach the page (or clicking on latest post from the main forum). Like right now, I see Scribe's post but no indication there is a page 1 and 2 ... only by getting rid of the page=2 in the address do I get back to the first page ...
Edit: Refreshing doesn't help, but everytime I've posted the page links have appeared afterwards, if that helps!

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I would run 4E to see how it fares in actual play. I'd probably start a game with beginners to RPGs to really feel the difference with previous editions, and decide if I'd go on based on that experience.
I'm sure I will support PRPG financially. After, whether I run it straight out of the box or run an Experimental Might game down the road, I do not know.

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Since this thread is already off-topic, please excuse me for a moment while I add to that.
Anyone else have the issue where a new page of a thread fails to show up as a selectable option? I've seen this a few times now, when a new page has only a few posts on it. I can read the posts, but only by manually editing the address can I reach the page (or clicking on latest post from the main forum). Like right now, I see Scribe's post but no indication there is a page 1 and 2 ... only by getting rid of the page=2 in the address do I get back to the first page ...
Edit: Refreshing doesn't help, but everytime I've posted the page links have appeared afterwards, if that helps!
This happens to me all the time. I assume it's connected with the ongoing 'disappearing post' bug that Gary keeps trying to squash.

David Marks |

This happens to me all the time. I assume it's connected with the ongoing 'disappearing post' bug that Gary keeps trying to squash.
Aye, I chalked it up to the ghosts in the boards over here as well. But as a software developer, I figured anyone out there ghost busting might like some description of what we're seeing in the field.
Glad to know I'm not the only sufferer though!
Cheers! :)

fredmanson |

For the moment, Pathfinder.
I read a 4e scenario. OK. Simple RP that can be reduced to a mere 32 pages game module and if you don't have the minis to do the combats, wow, it's a useless game module...
For me, it seem's that D&D4 is a mix of D&D (new look of course!) and Confrontation 4. The more minis you have (and you buy), the best the party is (and WotC gets more and more money).
Where is the pen & paper game? Where? er... I don't know...
I want to GM a new RPG (I'm thinking of the french counterside of CoC, Malefices) but I won't GM D&D4. Never.

David Marks |

For the moment, Pathfinder.
I read a 4e scenario. OK. Simple RP that can be reduced to a mere 32 pages game module and if you don't have the minis to do the combats, wow, it's a useless game module...
For me, it seem's that D&D4 is a mix of D&D (new look of course!) and Confrontation 4. The more minis you have (and you buy), the best the party is (and WotC gets more and more money).
Where is the pen & paper game? Where? er... I don't know...
I want to GM a new RPG (I'm thinking of the french counterside of CoC, Malefices) but I won't GM D&D4. Never.
Buh? I mean, really? The minis you own in no way influence how your party functions, so of all reasons not to go 4E this one makes the least sense to me ... and I've seen some really crazy reasons.

RichardtheDM |
Yes - I'll play Pathfinder or 4E any time somebody shouts 'game on' in my vicinity. I might well run Pathfinder, because I have new players entering the group and I'll be able to issue them with a free copy of the PDF. But I'm not planning on running 4E until I find something about it that makes its mechanics worth learning.

Tiger Tim |
I am like Arnwyn, I will be playing neither and sticking with 3.5 for a few years. So why am I on these forums? Well, I just did not feel at home on the WOTC forums anymore. So, I ended up here. Is this my new home? I don’t know yet. But right now this does seem to be a safe harbor for people who really are not enchanted with 4th edition.

Tiger Tim |
Oh, I also wanted to say, that I have nothing against Pathfinder. I just am not interested in playtesting a new ruleset right now. I GM at a convention in Princeton NJ with their own rules and I see enough playtesting of that as it is. I do like how they are developing it and I will be interested to see Pathfinder in its final form, but I will not even try to judge it until the development smoke clears and its ‘done’.

Tensor |

Oh, I also wanted to say, that I have nothing against Pathfinder. I just am not interested in playtesting a new ruleset right now. I GM at a convention in Princeton NJ with their own rules and I see enough playtesting of that as it is. I do like how they are developing it and I will be interested to see Pathfinder in its final form, but I will not even try to judge it until the development smoke clears and its ‘done’.
But, wait, 4evil is a new rule set? Oh, I see you guys are developing your own system. Cool!
How does it differ from 3.x ?

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4E is streamlined, fun, and I got over the metagaming and verisimilitude because of it. But 3.5 gives me more in the way of the latter, and lets me more easily work with the kind of world I like to play in, where martial characters don't have quasi-magic powers, and everyone can't heal themselves, etc.Make any sense?
Sure. You want to have fun and both systems offer that in different ways.
I used to play the original Runequest and, later, the original Stormbringer. Both used the same basic system but tailored enough for each game world to offer different forms of fun.

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I'll be running Pathfinder. I'm used to 3.5 and I like the revisions that I'm seeing, so I'll be sticking with the Pathfinder RPG.
However, I would like to play 4E some day, I just don't feel like DMing so much. What I'd like is to find someone who will invite me to a 4E game, at least to try it out. Pretty much everyone in my group is overly against 4E, however, so it's not likely to happen anytime soon.
Ah well, I'll enjoy running Pathfinder nonetheless!

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From another thread:
I have not said word one about how anyone should say anything. I called bullsh*t when I saw it.
From this one:
Dude - I will ask one more time - stop calling it 4evil.
I'm confused.
BTW, I think '4evil' sounds dumb but I get tired of people telling each other what not to say.

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From another thread:
crosswiredmind wrote:
I have not said word one about how anyone should say anything. I called bullsh*t when I saw it.From this one:
crosswiredmind wrote:Dude - I will ask one more time - stop calling it 4evil.I'm confused.
I'm not. Calling 4e "4evil" is bullsh*t. If you want to complain about 4e then go ahead but using a derogatory term is pure bullsh*t.

Tiger Tim |
Tensor,
It would take me a small essay to explain our con rules (they have been in use – and evolving - for 30 years!). For a 1-sentence answer, I would say they are very old school and tailored to work well for 46 hour long convention. If you are interested, look up Princecon on Google. You will see our webpage at the top. From there you can download the rules that were in use at the last several cons.
Cheers

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Tarren Dei wrote:I'm not. Calling 4e "4evil" is bullsh*t. If you want to complain about 4e then go ahead but using a derogatory term is pure bullsh*t.From another thread:
crosswiredmind wrote:
I have not said word one about how anyone should say anything. I called bullsh*t when I saw it.From this one:
crosswiredmind wrote:Dude - I will ask one more time - stop calling it 4evil.I'm confused.
So, you are then telling people how they should say stuff. Just saying.

Watcher |

I'm playing 4E every other Sunday. (GM's day off)
On every other Saturday I'm running 3.5 Pathfinder.
On every other Tuesday I running Pathfinder RPG.
Nick Logue would call me a slut (maybe a whore). So if a game system were a girlfriend, I'm doing her and both of her sisters. All though, Mrs. Watcher may not appreciate that metaphor.
Sorry dear!(clears throat)
And I love them all. It's good to be the Watcher.
You notice my posting has slowed down..? I'm too busy gaming!

Aristodeimos |

We'll be playing neither, in fact.
Our group will be sticking with 3.5 into the foreseeable future. We won't be buying any of the Pathfinder RPG stuff, but will continue to buy the Pathfinder APs and modules, as long as they are very easily played with the 3.5 rules.
This is pretty much how the three local groups I belong to also feel. The only difference will be that I will buy all the PFRG books to bolster Paizo's sales and thank them for contining 3E adventures. We still have tons of 3E products to play through and see no need in switching editions.

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I'm running the spectrum...
I play in a homebrew in which we just switched over to the PFRPG Alpha 3 ruleset (AWESOME).
I play in a Forgotten Realms game that the DM has requested be "reset" to 4e rules (Which I look forward to).
I will hopefully begin running an online campaign using Gamemastery modules D0, D1, and D1.5, using D&D 3.5 rules for my old gaming friends from high school who haven't played since 1988. I chose to go this route so they would not need to run out and buy books (instead downloading the SRD).
And if Nick Logue gets that dark Sci-Fi, Star Frontier-ish thing going, I will likely jump all over that.
Sadly, no one has waved a Pathfinder AP opportunity at me...or I'd be playing that too.
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crosswiredmind wrote:Besides, I'm not telling Tenser how to say it - just telling Tenser that calling it 4evil is bullsh*t.Using profanity isn't helping your cause.
Well, at a certain point civility seems to lose its effect. The fine folks at Paizo have asked us, begged us and pleaded with us to be civil. Well, it ain't working. I would like to think that posters like Tensor could understand that by persistently and flagrantly breaking the rules of the board they are walking very close to the edge of Erik's rule zero.

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Yes, I'll be playing both.
I'm GM'ing a game for my wife, kid, and a friend. It's set in Cauldron, we're getting ready for Zenith Trajectory. We're using 4E for that.
I'm GM'ing a game for some friends. It's currently 3E (note the lack of a .5 there!?) and we're going through D3: Demon Within. (it's awesome!) There's discussion of ending that campaign and starting over with 4E. Why? Well, we've all been playing togther for 10+ years and they're at 15th level right now. Frankly, it's a pain. They've all said they want "new". Even just to try it. PF is always waiting in the wings.
Plus I'm playing in the game Tim mentions above where the GM wants to reboot with 4E. He seems really jazzed about the rules and a happy GM is a happy me.
And then there's the online game I play with friends from college - but that's Feng Shui - and it's a kick in the pants. It works great for online play. No need for any map when you're flying around the room!! :-)
Plus I plan to definitely seek out local PF Society opportunities, both hosting and playing. I'm not as sure about the new WotC living stuff, honestly.
And Tim, if you want me to start up a PF AP just find the rest of the folks and let me know what extra day it is that your wife is going to give you to game!!! :-) I'll get RotRL or CotCT going for ya!

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Well, at a certain point civility seems to lose its effect. The fine folks at Paizo have asked us, begged us and pleaded with us to be civil. Well, it ain't working. I would like to think that posters like Tensor could understand that by persistently and flagrantly breaking the rules of the board they are walking very close to the edge of Erik's rule zero.
This may not exactly be a revelation, but flaming back on a messageboard does absolutely nothing to keep the conversation civil. If someone's post ticks you off, walk away from the computer for a while if you can't control your response. Or type it and delete it. And let the staff ask people to be more polite, please. None of us are board cops.

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crosswiredmind wrote:Well, at a certain point civility seems to lose its effect. The fine folks at Paizo have asked us, begged us and pleaded with us to be civil. Well, it ain't working. I would like to think that posters like Tensor could understand that by persistently and flagrantly breaking the rules of the board they are walking very close to the edge of Erik's rule zero.This may not exactly be a revelation, but flaming back on a messageboard does absolutely nothing to keep the conversation civil. If someone's post ticks you off, walk away from the computer for a while if you can't control your response. Or type it and delete it. And let the staff ask people to be more polite, please. None of us are board cops.
Did you know the best way to stop a bully is to tell him that he is being a bully. On the Net silence is agreement. If you do not confront unwanted behavior then it will persist. Yes, I know all about not feeding trolls but at some point a stand must be taken.

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Did you know the best way to stop a bully is to tell him that he is being a bully. On the Net silence is agreement. If you do not confront unwanted behavior then it will persist. Yes, I know all about not feeding trolls but at some point a stand must be taken.
Telling someone what they are saying is "b@~@%+~%" (I don't star my profanity, the board filters can do what they wish) is not telling them they are being a bully - it is flaming. You're being part of the problem of poor behavior on the boards. Be part of the solution instead. If asking someone nicely doesn't work, don't rain threats down upon them about getting moderated - back off and let the board police do their jobs.

AZRogue |

I'm playing 4E every other Sunday. (GM's day off)
On every other Saturday I'm running 3.5 Pathfinder.
On every other Tuesday I running Pathfinder RPG.
Nick Logue would call me a slut (maybe a whore). So if a game system were a girlfriend, I'm doing her and both of her sisters. All though, Mrs. Watcher may not appreciate that metaphor.
Sorry dear!(clears throat)
And I love them all. It's good to be the Watcher.
You notice my posting has slowed down..? I'm too busy gaming!
You have the best response yet. Gaming is always the right answer.
For myself, I'm not really interested in PRPG unless it ends up leaving 3.5 a lot further behind than I think it is. But Paizo always had great content so I'm hoping to convert some of their great material and take advantage of others doing the same.

lojakz |

At the moment I'm playing in a Midnight campaign (3rd edition). It'll be wrapping up here in a few weeks, then I'll be moving. In about two months I'll hopefully be running Castles & Crusades with some nieces and nephews that are new to gaming. I'll be running in AD&D Forgotten Realms, or Greyhawk.
I've no intention to pick up the 4th edition books any time soon. I probably will at some point, but as it stands, it's not the game for me. I'll continue to support Paizo however, and will with any luck, add some more subscriptions around the end of August. I'll be picking up the Pathfinder Beta, and the final Hardcover next year as well. I'm also branching out again with other options: I've been reading the threads about WHFRPG and Dark Heresy (I've a friend who loves the latter and his enthusiasm is contagious). I've also discovered that I enjoy the nWoD books, and am slowly going to be gathering them up over the next year or so.
I'm pretty keen on just playing what ever. If I could find myself as a player in the future, and the only game in town is 4th, then I'll probably play. I personally won't be switching my campaigns to it, I'm not currently willing to run it, in spite of it's ease to run. But like most people I'll be playing quite a variety of games, gods willing.

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I'll being playing 4th edition at Origins, to get a feel for it. I will be running PF RPG for the foreseeable future.
The feel of 3e is my preference as a DM, and so far Pathfinder's feel is that of an improved 3e to me.
4e certainly has a different kind of appeal, and I look forward to kicking at its tires during the Con.

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I'm playing 4E every other Sunday. (GM's day off)
On every other Saturday I'm running 3.5 Pathfinder.
On every other Tuesday I running Pathfinder RPG.
Nick Logue would call me a slut (maybe a whore). So if a game system were a girlfriend, I'm doing her and both of her sisters. All though, Mrs. Watcher may not appreciate that metaphor.
Sorry dear!(clears throat)
And I love them all. It's good to be the Watcher.
You notice my posting has slowed down..? I'm too busy gaming!
Brilliant.

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Tensor wrote:But, wait, 4evil is a new rule set? Oh, I see you guys are developing your own system. Cool!
How does it differ from 3.x ?
Dude - I will ask one more time - stop calling it 4evil.
K. Anyone remember the Kender taunt ability in Dragonlance.
This is a field test.
+++Calm Emotions++++
Here have a Newcastle.

Taliesin Hoyle |

I do not like fourth edition. I will not play it.
I think calling it 4evil, or any other derogatory term is shameful. I applaud crosswired mind for sticking to his guns about this.
Tarren. An exception does not prove the rule. Leave the poor man alone. He has undergone a lot of stress with people making assinine comments on this board. Nobody is perfect, and pointing out their flaws to nit-pick them to death is childish and churlish.
I would love to see some apologies and hands of friendship on these boards.
This post is my opinion. If you feel yourself aggrieved by something I said here, you can email me at talhoyle@yahoo.com , but for Gygax, sake, let the people who want to be happy with the new edition go a few hours on these boards without someone trying to marginalise and ostracise them.
Be nice to each other.
Stop the petulance, and just let them be.

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Tarren. An exception does not prove the rule. Leave the poor man alone. He has undergone a lot of stress with people making assinine comments on this board. Nobody is perfect, and pointing out their flaws to nit-pick them to death is childish and churlish.
I'm not 'nit-picking him to death'. I pointed out one inconsistency. I enjoy CWM's posts when he's telling us what he thinks. I dislike them when he's telling people what to say or encouraging heavier moderation of these boards.
I think he and I agree that in order to have good conversations, we need to be respectful, honest, and patient. Not everyone is a good conversationalist at all times but I'd rather not see more moderation of these boards because of that.

Jeremy Mac Donald |

OK, so a 4e character can go 3 days without any water without the need for any sort of check or save. A 3e character can go 1 day, plus Con score in hours, then he has to make hourly Con checks, DC 10 + 1 per previous check. Admittedly, it's only 1d6 of nonlethal, but the damage begins to add up.
However Nonlethal damage can't kill you. Just one of those funny little quirks about 3.5. you never actually die from starvation.

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It's threads like this that make me want to delete my account and never return.
Tensor, could you knock off the 4evil stuff? It's not particularly funny and your sense of humor, to the extent it communicates electronically, communicates even less well on the boards than it does in the chat room. I suspect you're using the term ironically, and not as an ass, but it's just not clear unless someone interacts with you semi-regularly.
And yes, to someone unfamiliar with Tensor's sense of humor, it is b#+%##!!.
Now go back to your corners you f!!~ing jackels, and stay on topic for a change.
Speaking of which...
I doubt I'll play PRPG. I was torn when it first came out, but I don't really have time for two regular games, and 4e feels like it will work better for me.

Nicolas Logue Contributor |

It's threads like this that make me want to delete my account and never return.
Tensor, could you knock off the 4evil stuff? It's not particularly funny and your sense of humor, to the extent it communicates electronically, communicates even less well on the boards than it does in the chat room. I suspect you're using the term ironically, and not as an ass, but it's just not clear unless someone interacts with you semi-regularly.
And yes, to someone unfamiliar with Tensor's sense of humor, it is b%&~&!~~.
Now go back to your corners you f%%&ing jackels, and stay on topic for a change.
Speaking of which...
I doubt I'll play PRPG. I was torn when it first came out, but I don't really have time for two regular games, and 4e feels like it will work better for me.
Hey Sebastian!
What's your single favorite thing about 4E? What's the one thing you would retcon? Thanks in advance.

Jeremy Mac Donald |

Kvantum wrote:Good luck finding a Cleric of Water, and one who's survived to reach 5th level.
And then even better luck finding the money to pay him casting the spell.
Uh, ok. Well hows about a PC cleric?
Below 5th you have the zero level create water and every ranger can forage.
D&D characters simply do not starve.
I think he's actually talking about 2nd Ed. Darksun. They juggled the spells in that supplement so it was hard to get things like water.