And now for something completely different - privies and baths


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Liberty's Edge

I have noticed a trend with maps, be they Pathfinder, Gamemastery, etc. There's no crapper, nor any place to wash off. Why not? Castles had privies and baths. Heck some castles even had running water. So, please, give me bathrooms.

The Exchange

Yeah...

"My lord, The servants are done filling the silver swan bath tub in your chambers with goats milk."


there is one in hook mountain I recall

:P

Silver Crusade

David Jackson 60 wrote:

there is one in hook mountain I recall

:P

shudder


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River Into Darkness has 'em too.


I noticed some in Escape from Old Korvosa as well.

Dark Archive Contributor

It's funny, but when we put in privies we get people complaining about having potties in their game. When we don't, we get people asking for us to include them. We can't win! :D

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Actually, we tend to put in toilets in our dungeons relatively often, mostly because back in the Dungeon days, someone posted a similar thread on the topic.

If you see a map without a bathroom listed, chances are good that area either uses:

a) chamberpot technology
b) is filthy
c) has a bathroom somewhere in the map that's not marked

Not all toilets need to be called out, in other words.

Grand Lodge

I saw them in the Hook Mountain Massacre

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Hi Mike! You at work yet? I'll be rolling in there in about 45 minutes... should I bring donuts or something?


What bothers me is how oversized the Pathfinder toilet illustrations will look. Rumor has it you'll need to engage your rage feat just to be strong enough to lift the lid and hop up on the seat.

chirp... chirp

Get it? Anyone?

chirp... chirp


Saurstalk wrote:
a trend with maps ... there's no crapper, nor any place to wash off.

I think I specifically recall a time when the Dungeon Writer's Guidelines required such allowances. Historically, however, it wasn't always such a major concern.

For example, the Palais de Versailles occasionally provided a small, private privy-chamber for the use of the greater nobles. However, it did not have similar facilities for the ballrooms and could not handle large numbers of guests, making a trip to the gardens or even just the stairwell how one often dealt with necessary functions.

As for bathing, that's not such a big requirement. While the Japanese (or the old Romans) have been bathing regularly for over a millennium, most Europeans bathed only weekly, or even annually. It was a common belief in England that bathing would make you ill, and if you were party of the 50% of the population who loved in London and would "bath" in the Thames then it was probably true.

Personally, I always put them on my home-brew maps (if appropriate) and retrofit them where needed otherwise. James has a point about chamber-pots or just plain filth, though. Some races/cultures may just request that you "use the back part of that cave over there."

FWIW,

Rez

P.S. Don't forget that this is also a magical/fantasy culture that will have access to such things as scentless chamber pots and self-disposing chamber pots. Makes having a specific room for such things somewhat less necessary.

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Rezdave wrote:

P.S. Don't forget that this is also a magical/fantasy culture that will have access to such things as scentless chamber pots and self-disposing chamber pots. Makes having a specific room for such things somewhat less necessary.

Fans of magic toilets should look no further than Pathfinder 9, in fact...

EDIT: Also... just occurred to me. It's possible that there aren't as many toilets in Pathfinder as I thought, because when we get crunched for space, I'm MUCH more likely to cut a 2 sentence description of a bathroom than I am 2 sentences from anywhere else, to be honest...

Scarab Sages

Rezdave wrote:
Don't forget that this is also a magical/fantasy culture that will have access to such things as scentless chamber pots and self-disposing chamber pots. Makes having a specific room for such things somewhat less necessary.

I thought that was the purpose of the green devil-face in Tomb of Horrors...


James Jacobs wrote:
I'm MUCH more likely to cut a 2 sentence description of a bathroom than I am 2 sentences from anywhere else, to be honest...

So, I'll take that as a pass on my Big Book O' High Fantasy Crappers manuscript I sent you? Thanks for letting me know in public forum. Geez.


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The Jade wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
I'm MUCH more likely to cut a 2 sentence description of a bathroom than I am 2 sentences from anywhere else, to be honest...
So, I'll take that as a pass on my Big Book O' High Fantasy Crappers manuscript I sent you? Thanks for letting me know in public forum. Geez.

Send it to me. My 2-year old would love it.


Rhothaerill wrote:
The Jade wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
I'm MUCH more likely to cut a 2 sentence description of a bathroom than I am 2 sentences from anywhere else, to be honest...
So, I'll take that as a pass on my Big Book O' High Fantasy Crappers manuscript I sent you? Thanks for letting me know in public forum. Geez.
Send it to me. My 2-year old would love it.

Will do. It is a Pop-Up book, after all. :)

Liberty's Edge

Wow. More responses than anticipated. That's good. I'll have to go back to my maps. I do remember Hook Mountain's. *shudder* I haven't received episode 3 of CotCT. So, I'll have to keep my eye out.

I do like the suggestion about magic chamber pots.

As a matter of fact, what would preclude a wealthy noble from using a Decanter of Endless Water regularly for bathing (and bidet). As for the chamber pot, I sense that a bag of holding may have many uses.

Heh . . . perfect treasure find for an upcoming campaign - a bag of holding beneath a noble's bed. Surprise!

(Of course, if ever you have to empty it out . . . gross. Either the servant better have good gloves and a perfumed clothespin, or alternatively, I would house rule that you can turn a bag of holding upside down and dump its contents out. (Can you imagine scrubbing that thing clean?)


Saurstalk wrote:

Wow. More responses than anticipated. That's good. I'll have to go back to my maps. I do remember Hook Mountain's. *shudder* I haven't received episode 3 of CotCT. So, I'll have to keep my eye out.

I do like the suggestion about magic chamber pots.

As a matter of fact, what would preclude a wealthy noble from using a Decanter of Endless Water regularly for bathing (and bidet). As for the chamber pot, I sense that a bag of holding may have many uses.

Heh . . . perfect treasure find for an upcoming campaign - a bag of holding beneath a noble's bed. Surprise!

Or a decanter of endless sewage. Cursed item unless you're a ghoul. Then it's just a bottomless energy drink.

The Exchange

James Jacobs wrote:
Rezdave wrote:

P.S. Don't forget that this is also a magical/fantasy culture that will have access to such things as scentless chamber pots and self-disposing chamber pots. Makes having a specific room for such things somewhat less necessary.

Fans of magic toilets should look no further than Pathfinder 9, in fact...

EDIT: Also... just occurred to me. It's possible that there aren't as many toilets in Pathfinder as I thought, because when we get crunched for space, I'm MUCH more likely to cut a 2 sentence description of a bathroom than I am 2 sentences from anywhere else, to be honest...

Ooh! I've got it...a privy druid.

The walls of the Privy were lined with water-filled iron flasks that sat open and looked in on the watercloset in an oddly beautiful way. After the Baron had completed his business, the room reeked of the foul mess on the floor, focused entirely on the drainage hole in the stone. Salis the Druid wiped the rear of the Baron and allowed him to depart the chamber cleanly.
Salis stepped from the room and sealed the door. It was then that he cast Heat Metal causing the room to self sterilize under a terrible wash of steam.

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The Jade wrote:
Rhothaerill wrote:
The Jade wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
I'm MUCH more likely to cut a 2 sentence description of a bathroom than I am 2 sentences from anywhere else, to be honest...
So, I'll take that as a pass on my Big Book O' High Fantasy Crappers manuscript I sent you? Thanks for letting me know in public forum. Geez.
Send it to me. My 2-year old would love it.
Will do. It is a Pop-Up book, after all. :)

Just as long as it's not a scratch-n-sniff book.

Someone had to say it.


The Jade wrote:
What bothers me is how oversized the Pathfinder toilet illustrations will look. Rumor has it you'll need to engage your rage feat just to be strong enough to lift the lid and hop up on the seat.

Are they Manga-inspired? That's my only question.

By the way, sorry for the delay. I saw there was a toilet thread earler on, but I didn't have to go then.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Kirth Gersen wrote:
The Jade wrote:
What bothers me is how oversized the Pathfinder toilet illustrations will look. Rumor has it you'll need to engage your rage feat just to be strong enough to lift the lid and hop up on the seat.

Are they Manga-inspired? That's my only question.

By the way, sorry for the delay. I saw there was a toilet thread earler on, but I didn't have to go then.

Well, the flush handles DO stick out far to the side like a donkey's ear.

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yellowdingo wrote:

Ooh! I've got it...a privy druid.

The walls of the Privy were lined with water-filled iron flasks that sat open and looked in on the watercloset in an oddly beautiful way. After the Baron had completed his business, the room reeked of the foul mess on the floor, focused entirely on the drainage hole in the stone. Salis the Druid wiped the rear of the Baron and allowed him to depart the chamber cleanly.
Salis stepped from the room and sealed the door. It was then that he cast Heat Metal causing the room to self sterilize under a terrible wash of steam.

How about a toilet Mimic! Hours of endless fun...


James Jacobs wrote:
Well, the flush handles DO stick out far to the side like a donkey's ear.

Sorry, I can't think of a reply to that right now. I'm lauging too hard.


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The Glassworks has a bathroom area. :)

Silver Crusade

James Jacobs wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
The Jade wrote:
What bothers me is how oversized the Pathfinder toilet illustrations will look. Rumor has it you'll need to engage your rage feat just to be strong enough to lift the lid and hop up on the seat.

Are they Manga-inspired? That's my only question.

By the way, sorry for the delay. I saw there was a toilet thread earler on, but I didn't have to go then.
Well, the flush handles DO stick out far to the side like a donkey's ear.

Hahahaha

Here's a question: Otyughs are sometimes used to dispose of human waste. What kind of waste do otyughs produce?


Mikaze wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
The Jade wrote:
What bothers me is how oversized the Pathfinder toilet illustrations will look. Rumor has it you'll need to engage your rage feat just to be strong enough to lift the lid and hop up on the seat.

Are they Manga-inspired? That's my only question.

By the way, sorry for the delay. I saw there was a toilet thread earler on, but I didn't have to go then.
Well, the flush handles DO stick out far to the side like a donkey's ear.

Hahahaha

Here's a question: Otyughs are sometimes used to dispose of human waste. What kind of waste do otyughs produce?

Other smaller Otyughs


David Jackson 60 wrote:
Mikaze wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
The Jade wrote:
What bothers me is how oversized the Pathfinder toilet illustrations will look. Rumor has it you'll need to engage your rage feat just to be strong enough to lift the lid and hop up on the seat.

Are they Manga-inspired? That's my only question.

By the way, sorry for the delay. I saw there was a toilet thread earler on, but I didn't have to go then.
Well, the flush handles DO stick out far to the side like a donkey's ear.

Hahahaha

Here's a question: Otyughs are sometimes used to dispose of human waste. What kind of waste do otyughs produce?

Other smaller Otyughs

That's racist, man.

Liberty's Edge

Where's the dooky room in this dungeon?!?!

Silver Crusade

The Jade wrote:
David Jackson 60 wrote:
Mikaze wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
The Jade wrote:
What bothers me is how oversized the Pathfinder toilet illustrations will look. Rumor has it you'll need to engage your rage feat just to be strong enough to lift the lid and hop up on the seat.

Are they Manga-inspired? That's my only question.

By the way, sorry for the delay. I saw there was a toilet thread earler on, but I didn't have to go then.
Well, the flush handles DO stick out far to the side like a donkey's ear.

Hahahaha

Here's a question: Otyughs are sometimes used to dispose of human waste. What kind of waste do otyughs produce?

Other smaller Otyughs
That's racist, man.

But at least we now have viable Pooper-Scoopers for a fantasy setting.

Until they mature...


Otyughs seldom mature. They keep making poo jokes, unto old age.

Paizo Employee Director of Game Development

Pardon me. I hate to intrude, but I was passing by and was wondering if any of you gents could direct me to the nearest loo?


** hands out a hook mountain map**

Good luck.

I hope you don't get an infection... or raped.

Paizo Employee Director of Game Development

David Jackson 60 wrote:

** hands out a hook mountain map**

Good luck.

I hope you don't get an infection... or raped.

I can't help but imagine a nice "Best Wishes on Your Upcoming Trip" Hallmark card.


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Actually, I've always thought a Bag of Devouring could be used for just this purpose. With a somewhat elaborate set-up it could serve quite well.

Any reason that wouldn't work?

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Kelvar Silvermace wrote:

Actually, I've always thought a Bag of Devouring could be used for just this purpose. With a somewhat elaborate set-up it could serve quite well.

Any reason that wouldn't work?

I'm sure whatever's living on the tummy-side of the bag of devouring could think of a few reasons...

Silver Crusade

It would also kill any possibility of sewer alligators.

Think of the sewer alligators.


James Jacobs wrote:
It's possible that there aren't as many toilets in Pathfinder as I thought, because when we get crunched for space, I'm MUCH more likely to cut a 2 sentence description of a bathroom than I am 2 sentences from anywhere else, to be honest...

Considering the artwork I recall from Dungeon, I doubt we need a room ## or description, as long as it's on the map. As part of a suite it should be obvious, and a little 5x5 alcove with a curtain in the front and a bench in back with a hole in it is self-explanatory.

I just put together a keep for my party to storm tomorrow, and there are five such garderobe alcoves inspired by first-hand observations of how such facilities were handled by the Normans when they constructed White Tower.

FWIW,

Rez


Snorter wrote:
I thought that was the purpose of the green devil-face in Tomb of Horrors...

Well considering its height above the ground the Green Devil-Face could have served as a urinal, but I suspect they thought better after a few ... accidents.

Regardless, privies have a long and glorious tradition in D&D and I've included many in my campaigns - just make sure to check for traps, treasure & monsters before you use them.

Oh, and Rezdave

Rezdave wrote:
As for bathing, that's not such a big requirement. While the Japanese (or the old Romans) have been bathing regularly for over a millennium, most Europeans bathed only weekly, or even annually. It was a common belief in England that bathing would make you ill, and if you were party of the 50% of the population who loved in London and would "bath" in the Thames then it was probably true.

What, you mean it doesn't make you ill.


JRM wrote:
Well considering its height above the ground the Green Devil-Face could have served as a urinal, but I suspect they thought better after a few ... accidents.

OK, OK -- you win! I just don't have the cojones to continue with this thread after that.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Vaguely along the same lines, I always wanted to see more books and such devoted to mundane equipment. Cloths, everyday items, kids toys ect. One of the reasons ...and a 10-foot pole is one of my all time fav gaming books. But a book from Paizo about the pathfinder world on mundane equipment would be nice. And I am glad they have the topic included in maps, it is kinda silly when their not.

Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy

I can't count the number of times this has come up in game. We usually use prestidigitaton (the most economic and versatile spell around) to remove the smell, clean up the mess, Portable Holes, and orc corpses. Once they've been sufficiently Greyhawked, they just disappear, right?

Kirth Gersen wrote:
OK, OK -- you win! I just don't have the cojones to continue with this thread after that.

Urinal got 'em?


yoda8myhead wrote:
Urinal got 'em?

Look carefully at my avatar. I'm still searching for a wish scroll. The nymphs and dryads are all in mourning.

Liberty's Edge

I realize we've well moved beyond the original point of this thread, but I should toss in that in PF1 Thistletop has one too, though its pointed out that the goblins normally forget to use it.

-Tarlane


Tarlane wrote:
I should toss in that in PF1 Thistletop has one too, though its pointed out that the goblins normally forget to use it.

See! Goblins are smarter than you thought!

Oh, you mean a urinal, not a green devil face. Sorry.

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Dark_Mistress wrote:
Vaguely along the same lines, I always wanted to see more books and such devoted to mundane equipment. Cloths, everyday items, kids toys ect. One of the reasons ...and a 10-foot pole is one of my all time fav gaming books. But a book from Paizo about the pathfinder world on mundane equipment would be nice. And I am glad they have the topic included in maps, it is kinda silly when their not.

Well it's not pathfinder, but if you can find one (most likely on Ebay or maybe amazon) the Aurora's Whole Realms Catalogue is priceless!

Scarab Sages

We are talking about the carving in Tomb of Horrors, right?

Right?

Just in case there are any actual green devils reading this, and getting steamed...

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
primemover003 wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
Vaguely along the same lines, I always wanted to see more books and such devoted to mundane equipment. Cloths, everyday items, kids toys ect. One of the reasons ...and a 10-foot pole is one of my all time fav gaming books. But a book from Paizo about the pathfinder world on mundane equipment would be nice. And I am glad they have the topic included in maps, it is kinda silly when their not.
Well it's not pathfinder, but if you can find one (most likely on Ebay or maybe amazon) the Aurora's Whole Realms Catalogue is priceless!

Yeah I have it, I just like the spin Paizo puts on stuff and with the high quality products they do. i would just love to see them take a stab at something along those lines especially if it was made for the pathfinder world. With it's styles, musical insturments ect.

Dark Archive

Back on topic for a slightly amusing story. My boyfriend's character got to a point where he had a base. We got into detailing it; traps, maps, etc., and I happened to ask where the "privies and baths" were.

His reply was, "My character hasn't gone to the bathroom in two years, he probably won't miss it."

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