Mike McArtor Contributor |
James Jacobs Creative Director |
Actually, we tend to put in toilets in our dungeons relatively often, mostly because back in the Dungeon days, someone posted a similar thread on the topic.
If you see a map without a bathroom listed, chances are good that area either uses:
a) chamberpot technology
b) is filthy
c) has a bathroom somewhere in the map that's not marked
Not all toilets need to be called out, in other words.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
Rezdave |
a trend with maps ... there's no crapper, nor any place to wash off.
I think I specifically recall a time when the Dungeon Writer's Guidelines required such allowances. Historically, however, it wasn't always such a major concern.
For example, the Palais de Versailles occasionally provided a small, private privy-chamber for the use of the greater nobles. However, it did not have similar facilities for the ballrooms and could not handle large numbers of guests, making a trip to the gardens or even just the stairwell how one often dealt with necessary functions.
As for bathing, that's not such a big requirement. While the Japanese (or the old Romans) have been bathing regularly for over a millennium, most Europeans bathed only weekly, or even annually. It was a common belief in England that bathing would make you ill, and if you were party of the 50% of the population who loved in London and would "bath" in the Thames then it was probably true.
Personally, I always put them on my home-brew maps (if appropriate) and retrofit them where needed otherwise. James has a point about chamber-pots or just plain filth, though. Some races/cultures may just request that you "use the back part of that cave over there."
FWIW,
Rez
P.S. Don't forget that this is also a magical/fantasy culture that will have access to such things as scentless chamber pots and self-disposing chamber pots. Makes having a specific room for such things somewhat less necessary.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
P.S. Don't forget that this is also a magical/fantasy culture that will have access to such things as scentless chamber pots and self-disposing chamber pots. Makes having a specific room for such things somewhat less necessary.
Fans of magic toilets should look no further than Pathfinder 9, in fact...
EDIT: Also... just occurred to me. It's possible that there aren't as many toilets in Pathfinder as I thought, because when we get crunched for space, I'm MUCH more likely to cut a 2 sentence description of a bathroom than I am 2 sentences from anywhere else, to be honest...
Snorter |
Don't forget that this is also a magical/fantasy culture that will have access to such things as scentless chamber pots and self-disposing chamber pots. Makes having a specific room for such things somewhat less necessary.
I thought that was the purpose of the green devil-face in Tomb of Horrors...
Rhothaerill |
James Jacobs wrote:I'm MUCH more likely to cut a 2 sentence description of a bathroom than I am 2 sentences from anywhere else, to be honest...So, I'll take that as a pass on my Big Book O' High Fantasy Crappers manuscript I sent you? Thanks for letting me know in public forum. Geez.
Send it to me. My 2-year old would love it.
The Jade |
The Jade wrote:Send it to me. My 2-year old would love it.James Jacobs wrote:I'm MUCH more likely to cut a 2 sentence description of a bathroom than I am 2 sentences from anywhere else, to be honest...So, I'll take that as a pass on my Big Book O' High Fantasy Crappers manuscript I sent you? Thanks for letting me know in public forum. Geez.
Will do. It is a Pop-Up book, after all. :)
Saurstalk |
Wow. More responses than anticipated. That's good. I'll have to go back to my maps. I do remember Hook Mountain's. *shudder* I haven't received episode 3 of CotCT. So, I'll have to keep my eye out.
I do like the suggestion about magic chamber pots.
As a matter of fact, what would preclude a wealthy noble from using a Decanter of Endless Water regularly for bathing (and bidet). As for the chamber pot, I sense that a bag of holding may have many uses.
Heh . . . perfect treasure find for an upcoming campaign - a bag of holding beneath a noble's bed. Surprise!
(Of course, if ever you have to empty it out . . . gross. Either the servant better have good gloves and a perfumed clothespin, or alternatively, I would house rule that you can turn a bag of holding upside down and dump its contents out. (Can you imagine scrubbing that thing clean?)
The Jade |
Wow. More responses than anticipated. That's good. I'll have to go back to my maps. I do remember Hook Mountain's. *shudder* I haven't received episode 3 of CotCT. So, I'll have to keep my eye out.
I do like the suggestion about magic chamber pots.
As a matter of fact, what would preclude a wealthy noble from using a Decanter of Endless Water regularly for bathing (and bidet). As for the chamber pot, I sense that a bag of holding may have many uses.
Heh . . . perfect treasure find for an upcoming campaign - a bag of holding beneath a noble's bed. Surprise!
Or a decanter of endless sewage. Cursed item unless you're a ghoul. Then it's just a bottomless energy drink.
yellowdingo |
Rezdave wrote:P.S. Don't forget that this is also a magical/fantasy culture that will have access to such things as scentless chamber pots and self-disposing chamber pots. Makes having a specific room for such things somewhat less necessary.
Fans of magic toilets should look no further than Pathfinder 9, in fact...
EDIT: Also... just occurred to me. It's possible that there aren't as many toilets in Pathfinder as I thought, because when we get crunched for space, I'm MUCH more likely to cut a 2 sentence description of a bathroom than I am 2 sentences from anywhere else, to be honest...
Ooh! I've got it...a privy druid.
The walls of the Privy were lined with water-filled iron flasks that sat open and looked in on the watercloset in an oddly beautiful way. After the Baron had completed his business, the room reeked of the foul mess on the floor, focused entirely on the drainage hole in the stone. Salis the Druid wiped the rear of the Baron and allowed him to depart the chamber cleanly.
Salis stepped from the room and sealed the door. It was then that he cast Heat Metal causing the room to self sterilize under a terrible wash of steam.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
Rhothaerill wrote:Will do. It is a Pop-Up book, after all. :)The Jade wrote:Send it to me. My 2-year old would love it.James Jacobs wrote:I'm MUCH more likely to cut a 2 sentence description of a bathroom than I am 2 sentences from anywhere else, to be honest...So, I'll take that as a pass on my Big Book O' High Fantasy Crappers manuscript I sent you? Thanks for letting me know in public forum. Geez.
Just as long as it's not a scratch-n-sniff book.
Someone had to say it.
Kirth Gersen |
What bothers me is how oversized the Pathfinder toilet illustrations will look. Rumor has it you'll need to engage your rage feat just to be strong enough to lift the lid and hop up on the seat.
Are they Manga-inspired? That's my only question.
By the way, sorry for the delay. I saw there was a toilet thread earler on, but I didn't have to go then.James Jacobs Creative Director |
The Jade wrote:What bothers me is how oversized the Pathfinder toilet illustrations will look. Rumor has it you'll need to engage your rage feat just to be strong enough to lift the lid and hop up on the seat.Are they Manga-inspired? That's my only question.
By the way, sorry for the delay. I saw there was a toilet thread earler on, but I didn't have to go then.
Well, the flush handles DO stick out far to the side like a donkey's ear.
Callous Jack |
Ooh! I've got it...a privy druid.
The walls of the Privy were lined with water-filled iron flasks that sat open and looked in on the watercloset in an oddly beautiful way. After the Baron had completed his business, the room reeked of the foul mess on the floor, focused entirely on the drainage hole in the stone. Salis the Druid wiped the rear of the Baron and allowed him to depart the chamber cleanly.
Salis stepped from the room and sealed the door. It was then that he cast Heat Metal causing the room to self sterilize under a terrible wash of steam.
How about a toilet Mimic! Hours of endless fun...
Mikaze |
Kirth Gersen wrote:Well, the flush handles DO stick out far to the side like a donkey's ear.The Jade wrote:What bothers me is how oversized the Pathfinder toilet illustrations will look. Rumor has it you'll need to engage your rage feat just to be strong enough to lift the lid and hop up on the seat.Are they Manga-inspired? That's my only question.
By the way, sorry for the delay. I saw there was a toilet thread earler on, but I didn't have to go then.
Hahahaha
Here's a question: Otyughs are sometimes used to dispose of human waste. What kind of waste do otyughs produce?
David Jackson 60 |
James Jacobs wrote:Kirth Gersen wrote:Well, the flush handles DO stick out far to the side like a donkey's ear.The Jade wrote:What bothers me is how oversized the Pathfinder toilet illustrations will look. Rumor has it you'll need to engage your rage feat just to be strong enough to lift the lid and hop up on the seat.Are they Manga-inspired? That's my only question.
By the way, sorry for the delay. I saw there was a toilet thread earler on, but I didn't have to go then.Hahahaha
Here's a question: Otyughs are sometimes used to dispose of human waste. What kind of waste do otyughs produce?
Other smaller Otyughs
The Jade |
Mikaze wrote:Other smaller OtyughsJames Jacobs wrote:Kirth Gersen wrote:Well, the flush handles DO stick out far to the side like a donkey's ear.The Jade wrote:What bothers me is how oversized the Pathfinder toilet illustrations will look. Rumor has it you'll need to engage your rage feat just to be strong enough to lift the lid and hop up on the seat.Are they Manga-inspired? That's my only question.
By the way, sorry for the delay. I saw there was a toilet thread earler on, but I didn't have to go then.Hahahaha
Here's a question: Otyughs are sometimes used to dispose of human waste. What kind of waste do otyughs produce?
That's racist, man.
Mikaze |
David Jackson 60 wrote:That's racist, man.Mikaze wrote:Other smaller OtyughsJames Jacobs wrote:Kirth Gersen wrote:Well, the flush handles DO stick out far to the side like a donkey's ear.The Jade wrote:What bothers me is how oversized the Pathfinder toilet illustrations will look. Rumor has it you'll need to engage your rage feat just to be strong enough to lift the lid and hop up on the seat.Are they Manga-inspired? That's my only question.
By the way, sorry for the delay. I saw there was a toilet thread earler on, but I didn't have to go then.Hahahaha
Here's a question: Otyughs are sometimes used to dispose of human waste. What kind of waste do otyughs produce?
But at least we now have viable Pooper-Scoopers for a fantasy setting.
Until they mature...
Adam Daigle Director of Game Development |
Adam Daigle Director of Game Development |
James Jacobs Creative Director |
Actually, I've always thought a Bag of Devouring could be used for just this purpose. With a somewhat elaborate set-up it could serve quite well.
Any reason that wouldn't work?
I'm sure whatever's living on the tummy-side of the bag of devouring could think of a few reasons...
Rezdave |
It's possible that there aren't as many toilets in Pathfinder as I thought, because when we get crunched for space, I'm MUCH more likely to cut a 2 sentence description of a bathroom than I am 2 sentences from anywhere else, to be honest...
Considering the artwork I recall from Dungeon, I doubt we need a room ## or description, as long as it's on the map. As part of a suite it should be obvious, and a little 5x5 alcove with a curtain in the front and a bench in back with a hole in it is self-explanatory.
I just put together a keep for my party to storm tomorrow, and there are five such garderobe alcoves inspired by first-hand observations of how such facilities were handled by the Normans when they constructed White Tower.
FWIW,
Rez
JRM |
I thought that was the purpose of the green devil-face in Tomb of Horrors...
Well considering its height above the ground the Green Devil-Face could have served as a urinal, but I suspect they thought better after a few ... accidents.
Regardless, privies have a long and glorious tradition in D&D and I've included many in my campaigns - just make sure to check for traps, treasure & monsters before you use them.
Oh, and Rezdave
As for bathing, that's not such a big requirement. While the Japanese (or the old Romans) have been bathing regularly for over a millennium, most Europeans bathed only weekly, or even annually. It was a common belief in England that bathing would make you ill, and if you were party of the 50% of the population who loved in London and would "bath" in the Thames then it was probably true.
What, you mean it doesn't make you ill.
Dark_Mistress |
Vaguely along the same lines, I always wanted to see more books and such devoted to mundane equipment. Cloths, everyday items, kids toys ect. One of the reasons ...and a 10-foot pole is one of my all time fav gaming books. But a book from Paizo about the pathfinder world on mundane equipment would be nice. And I am glad they have the topic included in maps, it is kinda silly when their not.
Mark Moreland Director of Brand Strategy |
I can't count the number of times this has come up in game. We usually use prestidigitaton (the most economic and versatile spell around) to remove the smell, clean up the mess, Portable Holes, and orc corpses. Once they've been sufficiently Greyhawked, they just disappear, right?
OK, OK -- you win! I just don't have the cojones to continue with this thread after that.
Urinal got 'em?
primemover003 RPG Superstar 2013 Top 4, RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16 |
Vaguely along the same lines, I always wanted to see more books and such devoted to mundane equipment. Cloths, everyday items, kids toys ect. One of the reasons ...and a 10-foot pole is one of my all time fav gaming books. But a book from Paizo about the pathfinder world on mundane equipment would be nice. And I am glad they have the topic included in maps, it is kinda silly when their not.
Well it's not pathfinder, but if you can find one (most likely on Ebay or maybe amazon) the Aurora's Whole Realms Catalogue is priceless!
Dark_Mistress |
Dark_Mistress wrote:Vaguely along the same lines, I always wanted to see more books and such devoted to mundane equipment. Cloths, everyday items, kids toys ect. One of the reasons ...and a 10-foot pole is one of my all time fav gaming books. But a book from Paizo about the pathfinder world on mundane equipment would be nice. And I am glad they have the topic included in maps, it is kinda silly when their not.Well it's not pathfinder, but if you can find one (most likely on Ebay or maybe amazon) the Aurora's Whole Realms Catalogue is priceless!
Yeah I have it, I just like the spin Paizo puts on stuff and with the high quality products they do. i would just love to see them take a stab at something along those lines especially if it was made for the pathfinder world. With it's styles, musical insturments ect.
Phaerie |
Back on topic for a slightly amusing story. My boyfriend's character got to a point where he had a base. We got into detailing it; traps, maps, etc., and I happened to ask where the "privies and baths" were.
His reply was, "My character hasn't gone to the bathroom in two years, he probably won't miss it."