Next RPG Superstar suggestion: 4E Setting!


RPG Superstar™ 2008 General Discussion

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With WotC's GSL allowing 3PPs to create and sell a 4E line as long as it's not a rehash of an existing 3.x product, I suggest as the next Superstar contest be a new campaign world ala WotC contest that led to Eberron.

What do you think?

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joela wrote:

With WotC's GSL allowing 3PPs to create and sell a 4E line as long as it's not a rehash of an existing 3.x product, I suggest as the next Superstar contest be a new campaign world ala WotC contest that led to Eberron.

What do you think?

The primary problem with this (other than supporting 4e, which is, I guess, a subjective judgement) is that Paizo is committing themselves to publish only OGL compatible material. Th GSL will not permit them to release anything for 4e while still publishing for 3.x. Thus, the winner of RPG Superstar wouldn't get anything out of winning.

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yoda8myhead wrote:
Th GSL will not permit them to release anything for 4e while still publishing for 3.x. Thus, the winner of RPG Superstar wouldn't get anything out of winning.

Not quite. Apparently the most recent info over at both the WotC and ENWorld boards indicate it's by product line. Companies can sell both side by side as long as they're separate lines (i.e., no Golorian 3.x and 4E).

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joela wrote:
yoda8myhead wrote:
Th GSL will not permit them to release anything for 4e while still publishing for 3.x. Thus, the winner of RPG Superstar wouldn't get anything out of winning.
Not quite. Apparently the most recent info over at both the WotC and ENWorld boards indicate it's by product line. Companies can sell both side by side as long as they're separate lines (i.e., no Golorian 3.x and 4E).

Here's an example.

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This isn't really a good idea even if it's allowed. By Paizo declaring that they're making the Pathfinder RPG and sticking with a 3.5 compatable system, they're going to attract the players who prefer that. Then asking that pool of customers to design something for a game that they have chosen not to play, in preference for Pathfinder, wouldn't really cater to their target audience.

Just using myself as an example, I don't like what I've seen about 4E, and have no interest in playing it, much less designing anything for it. I'm very excited about the next RPG Superstar being the Pathfinder Superstar, however.

While there are many who do like 4E, and would love a chance to design something for it, most likely, they're going to be hanging out at the WOTC/Gleemax boards, as well as websites of 4E supporting game companies, and those companies will surely have 4E design contests sooner or later.

That's my take on it at least, I'm sure there are counter-examples out there.

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joela wrote:

Not quite. Apparently the most recent info over at both the WotC and ENWorld boards indicate it's by product line. Companies can sell both side by side as long as they're separate lines (i.e., no Golorian 3.x and 4E).

Here's an example.

If that's the case, then I stand corrected, but my understanding of the GSL is that it will be company-by-company not line-by-line. This is the reason that Clark was so upset.

In either case, I think the chances of Paizo doing anything 4e for some time are pretty slim. Their resources are (rightfully) being invested into making their own game and products as good as they can be, and to divide that between PFRPG and a new system they don't even really know yet could be disastrous to the product that would be completely their own.


Until Paizo weighs in, we won't know for sure. They are trying to keep their toes in two different pools. Personally, I'd want to wait until they saw 4E before making such a decision. That said, it would make smart business sense to launch the next Superstar for Fourth Edition to go along with a new product line.


I'm against it. It would be a waste of good talent.

Paizo doesn't have the resources to develop two campaign settings properly, and it would probably be too much for a single person, especially if it's not an experienced game designer.

Better have someone that ties into Pathfinder.


I think it would be a good idea. I understand that unfortunetly Paizo doesn't have the resources to do both. However it might be worth the effort to get back the 4e people (like myself) who like Paizo's stuff in the past but won't support 3.5/Pathfinder.


gundark wrote:
I think it would be a good idea. I understand that unfortunetly Paizo doesn't have the resources to do both. However it might be worth the effort to get back the 4e people (like myself) who like Paizo's stuff in the past but won't support 3.5/Pathfinder.

Well, it can't happen. Say thank ya to wizards and their restrictions.


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varianor wrote:
That said, it would make smart business sense to launch the next Superstar for Fourth Edition to go along with a new product line.

I rather think it would be much better business sense to promote *their* new product line of Pathfinder RPG, and have it based in that. Top 32 items could make it in the RPG :)

[disclaimer]This user has absolutely no knowledge of any intent to have any sort of Pathfinder RPG inclusion be part of the contest.[/disclaimer]

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Paizo can sure as hell manage two or five different game world lines, as long as they work something unique. Much like John Locke, I wouldn't tell Paizo what they can't do.

{{has idea}}

PAIZO - You don't have the skills or resources to publish multiple game worlds in different systems. And while you're at it, you can't develop a living Golarion that changes based on organized play results like L5R. Take that!!


ancientsensei wrote:

Paizo can sure as hell manage two or five different game world lines/QUOTE]

I really don't think.

I'm not saying that they don't have the talent. I'm saying they don't have the manpower. It seems they've got their hands so full that they can't do simple web enhancements and the like, so I guess another product line is simply out of the question.

Pity, really.

ancientsensei wrote:
And while you're at it, you can't develop a living Golarion that changes based on organized play results like L5R. Take that!!

The L5R way does have a certain appeal, I must admit. I think we should ambush Nick and brainwash him a bit. I'll get the brain washing machine.

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I have been working the L5R approach with Nick for a while now...but then he up and got busy and stopped sending emails.

Nick! Where are you? Where's my stuff! You know what I'm talking about!

{makes meaney faces}

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Just had a thought on this: If you wanted to be an RPG Superstar you would have to use more than one RPG. If there was only ONE system in the rules it would have to be THE RPG (Define THE as you want). A 4E setting might be included, but so would Pathfinder and other RPGs: Champs, Shadowrun, Mutant's, Star Wars, Castles, etc. Again one system would have to be THE system. Of course changing RPG Superstar to Pathfinder Superstar is a much simpler solution. O:)

Also none of the entries were published (or even intended to be published) so Paizo could use whatever system they want to (legal questions aside) for the contest.

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I think this is a great idea... for Necromancer games.

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In this thread James and Lisa both sound like they have no intention of publishing 4e products. Granted James is mostly talking about Pathfinder Products, the fact that they haven't even bothered to pick up and learn the 4e rules makes me think they aren't planning on publishing any 4e stuff.

In general their strength and their core customers are in D&D 3.5 products. I don't see them investing time and effort into building a 1 off 4e product. Of course I'm a notoriously bad guesser.


joela wrote:

With WotC's GSL allowing 3PPs to create and sell a 4E line as long as it's not a rehash of an existing 3.x product, I suggest as the next Superstar contest be a new campaign world ala WotC contest that led to Eberron.

What do you think?

I don't have a good reason to disagree with you...I just do. I vote for 3.5 like the first contest. Let Hasbro run a 4E contest.

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joela wrote:

With WotC's GSL allowing 3PPs to create and sell a 4E line as long as it's not a rehash of an existing 3.x product, I suggest as the next Superstar contest be a new campaign world ala WotC contest that led to Eberron.

What do you think?

I have no interest in reading, or creating anything to do with 4e content. So I would have to pass on this proposal, even though i do enjoy the warforged race very much.

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Winterwalker wrote:
joela wrote:

With WotC's GSL allowing 3PPs to create and sell a 4E line as long as it's not a rehash of an existing 3.x product, I suggest as the next Superstar contest be a new campaign world ala WotC contest that led to Eberron.

What do you think?

I have no interest in reading, or creating anything to do with 4e content. So I would have to pass on this proposal, even though i do enjoy the warforged race very much.

Agreed...except I loathe the warforged.

Besides we already have a campaign setting...Golarion

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Why would anyone want to show off their 4e design skills? The only company with any substantial need for 4e designers is WotC, and they'll just drop you like a hot potato the minute their latest core rulebook gets finished.


Devil's Advocate wrote:
Why would anyone want to show off their 4e design skills? The only company with any substantial need for 4e designers is WotC, and they'll just drop you like a hot potato the minute their latest core rulebook gets finished.

Not true. Goodman Games certainly needs designers with 4E design skills (I oughta know), not to mention that Mongoose is re-launching their quintessential series in 4E. There are also a number of PDF publishers, such as Adamant Entertainment, that are actively looking for 4E designers.

I’m not saying that Paizo should go 4E; in fact, I really don’t see a reason for them to do so.

BD


Considering that Paizo already has a stable fanbase with the pathfinder rpg line, it would not make so much sense to be advertising 4E by making it the main focus of the contest. As has been mentioned, most of us are here because we prefer being able to use our old books, and like the 3,5/pathfinder systems better.
If, as someone suggested, the RPG superstar contest was changed to accommodate all role playing games, it would become immensely difficult to control. You'd need several different categories, with different judges and all kinds of stuff.
Finally, I think that if you deeply desire a 4E fan contest, go suggest it with those that publish 4E content and care about what happens to that line. On the other hand they haven't really shown much interest in their fanbase before, so why should they start now?

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I think it's a fine idea for an interested party (not necessarily Wizards) to take up. Paizo aren't the ones who should do it.

Core 4e deprecates the importance of a campaign setting and many of its fans seem to like it that way, but a campaign location (say, up to the size of last year's countries) sounds like a useful supplement.

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