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On paladins using poison:
No, they can't. Says so in the PHB under the paladin entry, they can't act in a dishonourable fashion, one of the examples it gives is using poison.
So poison use, evil? Maybe, maybe not. But dishonourable (And against the paladin's code of ethics), yep.
Raises an interesting question about Coautl paladins, but that's for another debate.
Paladin's don't seem to get a lot of love, and I don't have a particular problem with that. If you don't like them (or any other class) don't use them, and try to avoid players who do. Some people even have some fairly reasonable arguements as to why they don't like paladins (they're abilities don't improve enough after a certain level, or they fill the same niche as clerics) which I don't necessarily agree with, but they're reasonable enough opinions.
What annoys me (rant coming) is the "I don't like paladins because they're lawful good" stance. Usual translation: "I want to play my chaotic good rogue as chaotic neutral (or chaotic evil) and the paladin won't let me do it". Or "I want to play an evil character, and a paladin makes that hard". Or even "the guy playing the paladin doesnt know how to play lawful good".
I don't know why everyone thinks lawful good is a difficult alignment to play (or roleplay). Why is it more difficult than any other alignment? Sure, paladins are a bit of a special case, 'cos they have their code of ethics, and more at stake if their alignment changes than most other classes, but still ...
Do you see people getting hung up on whether they're playing chaotic good properly? "Oh, the law in this town is that no one is allowed to use offensive language. If I DONT use offensive language am I being chaotic enough? Would that be considered an evil act? Hey, all the rest of you, I want to see you swearing some, all this lawfulness is making me decidedly uncomfortable, if you don't I'm going to vote that you have to leave the party. Wait, if you abide by the decision of that vote, is that lawful?"
Stealing would rarely be considered a good act. Torturing someone for information (even for "the greater good") I think is a very grey area as to whether its evil or not. There are many cases in literature (And real life no doubt) where someone commiting evil acts "for the greater good" is in fact evil, even though they might think they're good, and may in fact truly be working for the greater good. But I've seen plenty of people playing chaotic good characters do these sort of acts in games, or allow others to do so in their presense without worrying about their alignment.
Anyway, I could rant on and on about this, but my lunch break is ending .... stupid work, stopping me feeding me d&d addiction, grumble grumble...

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Heathansson wrote:There is no debate. McRibs suck, they're not fit for dogs, rats, or even roaches.
;)Or even Texans.
(too far?)
Hey! (lol)
It says right in my PHB that paladins can't feed somebody a McRib sandwich either. I should know, I wrote it there myself, right next to Alhandra.
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Just something that kinds bugs me not gonna try to make vegetarians made but the fact that you don't need any meat but then cook and eat "special vegetarian" things like BBQ and chicken and hotdogs. I find dumb and I know the logic and reasoning behind it cause I have vegetarian friends. I just seems like an oxy-moron to me.
Another thing on a completly different topic. The fact that to do anything in the military or at least the NAVY requires a "special request chit" which takes 4 days to process to do anything really gets old fast.
I think I might be annoyed by your post and have a reply if it were readable and made sense without having to work through it a couple of times to get the gist.
And yes, if Saern is watching, I realize that that sentence is a run-on.

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Actually, I was just thinking of dropping some concentrated cyanide into his Pepsi while he's in the bathroom. I can even take his violent seizures in character and say that he's been stricken dead by his god for neglecting his duties. I bet he'll get a few RP votes posthumously.
Have you mentioned his inertness to his other half? She should know him best, and what the issues are. He may be painfully shy. He may feel out of his depth. He probably doesn't know anything about the game at all and doesn't know what to do. Hopefully, she will understand which would be the appropriate approach to take. But, if it is ruining the game, it may be best to simply ask him if he is really enjoying himself and maybe wants to find something else to do while his GF plays D&D. Unless he is the "limpet" type, of course, in which case you may have to dislodge him by bashing him hard with a rock.

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I just read some news that The Police are going to reunite as the opening act at the Grammys, and that this will (hopefully) be followed by the announcement of a big tour. Booyah! Its about fraggin time. I've been waiting 20 years for this. What the hell took so long? They're only one of the greatest bands ever to exist. They need to show their fans a little more love!

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I just read some news that The Police are going to reunite as the opening act at the Grammys, and that this will (hopefully) be followed by the announcement of a big tour. Booyah! Its about fraggin time. I've been waiting 20 years for this. What the hell took so long? They're only one of the greatest bands ever to exist. They need to show their fans a little more love!
What stopped them in the past was mutual hatred, so I understand.

Saern |

I hate muscle spasms! Jesus Christ, last night was one of, if not the, worst of my life!
I got home from a college dinner at about 10:30, and my back was feeling knotty. Nothing big, I rubbed it, took an aspirin, and went more or less to bed immediately.
I wake up around 1 AM and the discomfort has increased. I toss and turn and sweat for an hour, and then get up to go to the restroom and see if I can sleep better after that.
As I walk through the house, the muscles on the lower right side of my back just spasmed and clinched. It felt like I had been stabbed (not that I have actual experience with this sensation, but I can take a wild guess!). I gulped down two more Aspirin quickly and retreat back to bed, falling in moaning pain.
Being just 19, I still live with my father, and he quickly came in, distressed. For the next two hours, I was near delirius with the pain in my back, and had a nice vomiting session as well, which conveniently removed the Aspirin I had taken from my system.
Finally, I demand to go to the hospital. My father tells me there's nothing that they can do for muscle pain, but I don't care at this point. My plan was something along the lines of begging for a sedative or whatever they could administer to knock me out.
Whether it was just time for it to release on it's own or whether my trudging out to the car helped work out the muscle somehow. By the time we got to the hospital, about a 20 minute drive, the pain was all but gone. We turned the car around and came back home, and by then, it was completely gone.
Now, this morning, I'm totally fine. No clue why or even exactly what happened, but it SUCKED.
It raises the question in one's mind: What the HELL was that all about?!

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On paladins using poison:
No, they can't. Says so in the PHB under the paladin entry, they can't act in a dishonourable fashion, one of the examples it gives is using poison.
So poison use, evil? Maybe, maybe not. But dishonourable (And against the paladin's code of ethics), yep.
Raises an interesting question about Coautl paladins, but that's for another debate.
Paladin's don't seem to get a lot of love, and I don't have a particular problem with that. If you don't like them (or any other class) don't use them, and try to avoid players who do. Some people even have some fairly reasonable arguements as to why they don't like paladins (they're abilities don't improve enough after a certain level, or they fill the same niche as clerics) which I don't necessarily agree with, but they're reasonable enough opinions.
What annoys me (rant coming) is the "I don't like paladins because they're lawful good" stance. Usual translation: "I want to play my chaotic good rogue as chaotic neutral (or chaotic evil) and the paladin won't let me do it". Or "I want to play an evil character, and a paladin makes that hard". Or even "the guy playing the paladin doesnt know how to play lawful good".
I don't know why everyone thinks lawful good is a difficult alignment to play (or roleplay). Why is it more difficult than any other alignment? Sure, paladins are a bit of a special case, 'cos they have their code of ethics, and more at stake if their alignment changes than most other classes, but still ...
Do you see people getting hung up on whether they're playing chaotic good properly? "Oh, the law in this town is that no one is allowed to use offensive language. If I DONT use offensive language am I being chaotic enough? Would that be considered an evil act? Hey, all the rest of you, I want to see you swearing some, all this lawfulness is making me decidedly uncomfortable, if you don't I'm going to vote that you have to leave the party. Wait, if you abide by the decision of that vote, is that lawful?"
Stealing...
100% agreement with you there, Mothman! Paladins get an undue and unfair amount of a bad wrap just over some commonly held misperceptions.

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Jherrith The Great wrote:Just something that kinds bugs me not gonna try to make vegetarians made but the fact that you don't need any meat but then cook and eat "special vegetarian" things like BBQ and chicken and hotdogs. I find dumb and I know the logic and reasoning behind it cause I have vegetarian friends. I just seems like an oxy-moron to me.
Another thing on a completly different topic. The fact that to do anything in the military or at least the NAVY requires a "special request chit" which takes 4 days to process to do anything really gets old fast.
I think I might be annoyed by your post and have a reply if it were readable and made sense without having to work through it a couple of times to get the gist.
And yes, if Saern is watching, I realize that that sentence is a run-on.
What? Oh, yeah, F- on your term... thingy.... grumble grumble.... (wanders off)

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I just read some news that The Police are going to reunite as the opening act at the Grammys, and that this will (hopefully) be followed by the announcement of a big tour. Booyah! Its about fraggin time. I've been waiting 20 years for this. What the hell took so long? They're only one of the greatest bands ever to exist. They need to show their fans a little more love!
He#@@ really has frozen over. Didn't Andy Summers claim that all their music was "garbage" not too long ago? Looks like the money's getting thin for Mr. Summers...
BTW: I agree. The Police are indeed one of the best bands ever.

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Fatespinner, it sounds like that player either doesn't like roleplaying games, and/or is only there because his girlfriend is. If he does claim to like RPGs, I don't know what to suggest, but if he's there because of his girlfriend, could she suggest he does something else while the game's going on?
I know this is not the case. The entire reason he came to this game was because he and his GF are in another D&D game run by the GF's cousin. Her cousin is a hack-n-slasher by all accounts and she jumped at the opportunity to get into one of MY games because she enjoys RP far more than hack-n-slash. Evidently, in the other game, the boyfriend does just fine and seems to enjoy the game. Now that he's been immersed in the RP-bucket, however, I think he might be drowning in reverence and doesn't know what to do.
Have you mentioned his inertness to his other half? She should know him best, and what the issues are. He may be painfully shy. He may feel out of his depth. He probably doesn't know anything about the game at all and doesn't know what to do. Hopefully, she will understand which would be the appropriate approach to take. But, if it is ruining the game, it may be best to simply ask him if he is really enjoying himself and maybe wants to find something else to do while his GF plays D&D. Unless he is the "limpet" type, of course, in which case you may have to dislodge him by bashing him hard with a rock.
The GF acknowledges his lack of activity and has tried to break him out of it. She helped him write a backstory, define the personality, and all sorts of good RP stuff. She even e-mailed me what they had come up with! Unfortunately, despite the attitudes conveyed in the backstory, none of it comes to the surface in-game. He doesn't have any built-in plot hooks so I don't have anything to grab ahold of there but he has made it a point that his character is "very serious about his faith" in the backstory. From the way he plays his character, I would say that the only thing he is "very serious" about is his apathy.
I've already talked to the GF at length about this matter and she even acknowledges the fact that he is a detriment to the game. However, she feels bad asking him to leave and so do I. I hate drama even more than I hate having a non-entity at my gaming table so I've basically resigned myself to this fate. As I said in my original post, I'm not really looking for help... I'm just ranting because I'm powerless to do anything about it.

James Keegan |

I hate muscle spasms! Jesus Christ, last night was one of, if not the, worst of my life!
I got home from a college dinner at about 10:30, and my back was feeling knotty. Nothing big, I rubbed it, took an aspirin, and went more or less to bed immediately.
I wake up around 1 AM and the discomfort has increased. I toss and turn and sweat for an hour, and then get up to go to the restroom and see if I can sleep better after that.
As I walk through the house, the muscles on the lower right side of my back just spasmed and clinched. It felt like I had been stabbed (not that I have actual experience with this sensation, but I can take a wild guess!). I gulped down two more Aspirin quickly and retreat back to bed, falling in moaning pain.
Being just 19, I still live with my father, and he quickly came in, distressed. For the next two hours, I was near delirius with the pain in my back, and had a nice vomiting session as well, which conveniently removed the Aspirin I had taken from my system.
Finally, I demand to go to the hospital. My father tells me there's nothing that they can do for muscle pain, but I don't care at this point. My plan was something along the lines of begging for a sedative or whatever they could administer to knock me out.
Whether it was just time for it to release on it's own or whether my trudging out to the car helped work out the muscle somehow. By the time we got to the hospital, about a 20 minute drive, the pain was all but gone. We turned the car around and came back home, and by then, it was completely gone.
Now, this morning, I'm totally fine. No clue why or even exactly what happened, but it SUCKED.
It raises the question in one's mind: What the HELL was that all about?!
I would get that all the time when I was in high school. I would be asleep, usually on my back, and my whole right leg from the ankle to my hip would seize up painfully for a good few minutes. Not fun. I've never had it in my back, though, nor have I thrown up from it or had it exceed 20 minutes in duration. I'm not a chiropractor or even a new age shaman type or anything, but you may want to consider acupuncture if it continues. There are folks that swear by it and it is one of the tried and true methods for reducing back pain.

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Aberzombie wrote:I just read some news that The Police are going to reunite as the opening act at the Grammys, and that this will (hopefully) be followed by the announcement of a big tour. Booyah! Its about fraggin time. I've been waiting 20 years for this. What the hell took so long? They're only one of the greatest bands ever to exist. They need to show their fans a little more love!What stopped them in the past was mutual hatred, so I understand.
I think that might have been the reason for the initial break up, but it must have ended a few years ago when Sting got married. That was the first time they played together (at the wedding) since '86. They then played again not to long ago when they were inducted into the Hall of Fame. Now it seems like they're on the brink of a huge comeback, since a lot of experts say that a tour by the Police could beat out the Stones and/or McCartney as the top grossing money-maker. Although I don't really think any of them were worried about money. From what I understand, while sting was the wealthiest, the other two weren't exactly hurting for cash. Either way, the news is fraggin awesome, and I just pray that if a tour does happen then they come to Philly.

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We keep joking that we're going to get a photo of the player and have it blown up to life size so we can have a cardboard standee of him, too.
The player's schedule is a little chaotic so he doesn't make all of our games (which have been remarked on as being the best sessions ever). Whenever his GF calls to let me know that he won't be able to make it that night, I always state that I can just have the couch stand in for him. The other players often echo this statement (or substitute 'couch' for other pieces of furniture around my living room).

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Arctaris wrote:Fatespinner, I would suggest either electroshock therapy or just out-right killing his character (just a little something to wake him up to the game).
Here is another rant. I hate it when a player doesn't level up between games. They have the time and the sourcebooks and the know-how but they just don't level up. When we begin the game I have to wait for them to choose spells, skills and feats and roll new HD and so on. WHY CAN'T THEY LEVEL UP BETWEEN SESSIONS!? I have talked to them about it but it doesn't seem to make an impression. We get together to play about twice a month so during this precious time we should play, not update their character sheets.Oh dear god yes!!! I thought I just had some lazy tuchus players with no motivation, but I think they are actually trying to gaslight me. Then, while they are delaying the entire game spending tens of minutes trying to level their character up (something I can do in about 18 seconds on a bad day- not because of any superiority on my part, but because it's just that frackin easy, like toaster pastries, in 3.5e)they get involved in off topic, irrelevant discussions with the other players who are bored, waiting for them to level. This acually happened last week and it meant we wound up having 5 hours of gaming instead of 6 or 7 because by the time he was done, everyone was distracted, ornery and hungry.
My other peeve is players who forget their character sheet when they take it home to level up. I mean its not like they were just in the neighborhood and decided to pop in. They came to my house to play D&D. What does someone who plays a D&D character need? A Character sheet, that's right. Not a backpack full of contraband. Not a box of donuts. Just one sheet of paper, a pencil and some dice. I manage to leave the house dressed most mornings in spite of my ADD, and I equate bringing a character sheet to a D&D game with showing up dressed and walking upright to your job. It's the bare minimum.
I know I am a total dork, but I...
You are not a total dork. I have a backpack like that, too. I also have multiple dice bags color-coded to each character, and multiple character sheet binders similarly color-coded. Some of them even match the dice bags.
Our non-roleplaying player has been known to COMPLAIN when told his character leveled up. Like it's too much work for him to spend some skill points. Grrr.

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Our non-roleplaying player has been known to COMPLAIN when told his character leveled up. Like it's too much work for him to spend some skill points. Grrr.
Ohhhh man... *twitch*.
I would KNIFE that guy. If you feel that leveling up is too much effort to exert for the sake of the game, FINE! DON'T LEVEL UP THEN! STAY LEVEL ONE WHILE THE PARTY TAKES ON BEHOLDERS AND PIT FIENDS! I guarantee he'll have a lot less fun. Hey, maybe if it becomes UTTERLY pointless for him, he'll f#@% off!

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GameStop, you lying bastards!
I pre-ordered a game from you with the promise that doing so would guarantee a three-day pre-release advantage. That means that by pre-ordering a month in advance, I was guaranteed to get to start playing this new MMO three full days before anyone who waited for release in stores. The game's homesite confirmed this!
Well, the day of the pre-release start up came and went... no game was delivered to me. The next day came and went... no game. Then it was Sunday, so of course no mail, and now it's Monday, the day before store release, and I still don't have the f*!+ing game! I just checked my order status, and it's still f*#*ing listed as "unshipped." WHAT THE HOLY FLYING F*$*, MAN?! You a#*~&$%s aren't going to even process the damned thing until the day of store release, meaning I won't get it until a day after? Why the hell did I bother pre-ordering?
God knows it wasn't the price. I think it was approximately $10 cheaper online. Whoop-de-doo! Guess how friggen much S&H was? $10!
Now I believe the problem is that in order to get into the pre-release, one had to pre-order during the open beta test of the game, which I did... three days before it closed, and with no mention anywhere that I had to sign up in order to get into the pre-release. I didn't because my classes were just starting up, and my brother and friend who were also planning on getting the game weren't going into beta, so I didn't really see a point. Of course, it seems that after they closed the beta, there was no way of getting into the pre-release, nevermind the fact that there were still two weeks before release in which lots of people might have pre-ordered at GameStop with the notion that they would still get into the program.
Way to go, you royal f#~&ing a+$**+#s. You know, I, as a consumer, believed I was being offered Deal X by you, the supplier. Nowhere was there any clear information that Deal X was really Deal Y. I understand fine print and all, but this seems to border on a crimial breach of contract, and is certainly a sleeze move on their part.
EDIT- Oh, and I nearly forgot! Apparently, the game wasn't on some sort of notice to be held in stores until the official release date of January 30th, so those stores who have already gotten it in inventory have it out on the shelf. So, while the official release is tomorrow, the unofficial release in some areas was today. Now, I checked availability of stores in my area, and they don't have it (or so the computer tells me), so it wouldn't make that enormous of a difference, but still, the principal (or lack thereof) of the whole thing reeks.
F&*@ers.
2nd EDIT- I just checked back in on GameStop to write a letter of complaint, and now, at 7:00pm, it's marked as being shipped! Why in the world it's this late in the day (even with time differences around the nation, it seems unusually late), I have no idea, but thanks! You all are still a!&*@~&s.

Valegrim |

Arctaris wrote:Fatespinner, I would suggest either electroshock therapy or just out-right killing his character (just a little something to wake him up to the game).
Here is another rant. I hate it when a player doesn't level up between games. They have the time and the sourcebooks and the know-how but they just don't level up. When we begin the game I have to wait for them to choose spells, skills and feats and roll new HD and so on. WHY CAN'T THEY LEVEL UP BETWEEN SESSIONS!? I have talked to them about it but it doesn't seem to make an impression. We get together to play about twice a month so during this precious time we should play, not update their character sheets.Oh dear god yes!!! I thought I just had some lazy tuchus players with no motivation, but I think they are actually trying to gaslight me. Then, while they are delaying the entire game spending tens of minutes trying to level their character up (something I can do in about 18 seconds on a bad day- not because of any superiority on my part, but because it's just that frackin easy, like toaster pastries, in 3.5e)they get involved in off topic, irrelevant discussions with the other players who are bored, waiting for them to level. This acually happened last week and it meant we wound up having 5 hours of gaming instead of 6 or 7 because by the time he was done, everyone was distracted, ornery and hungry.
My other peeve is players who forget their character sheet when they take it home to level up. I mean its not like they were just in the neighborhood and decided to pop in. They came to my house to play D&D. What does someone who plays a D&D character need? A Character sheet, that's right. Not a backpack full of contraband. Not a box of donuts. Just one sheet of paper, a pencil and some dice. I manage to leave the house dressed most mornings in spite of my ADD, and I equate bringing a character sheet to a D&D game with showing up dressed and walking upright to your job. It's the bare minimum.
I know I am a total dork, but I...
hehe, I keep everyones character sheets; they can check them out at anytime but never leave; my pcs are responsible for giving me updated character sheets or as all my gamers know; the blue notebook is law; ie if it is not on that character sheet it does not exist. Doing it this way lets me keep each character in a binder so I can see that characters developement from the first level character sheet to whatever level we are at, heeh the old pen and paper meathod; I just wrote an excel program to do characters much better due to the complexity of 3.5; now there is no accidental overspending of skill points and all skill, feat and ability scores are calculated instantly; took about 7 minutes to write and a bit longer to enter all the characters; maybe something like this will help you.

Valegrim |

Yum, scorched porklikesubstance in sticky sauce with pickles and onions on a bun; my mouth is dripping saliva just thinking bout em; yum yum; if i could get a beer with that; well, that is just about as close to heavon as I can think in my current rant state. McRibs rock and are totally delicious; am thinking if any of my players bring me one; +2 to any charisma rolls for a month.
I have no problems with Paladins and poison per se; really is a situation by situation thing with intent and how it turns out and that sort of thing; of course I have always been in the crowde that thinks that paladins having to be lawful is just plain stupid. D&D was on the right track when they released the Dragon issue "Plethora of Paladins". This was of great influence to me and I decided any diety that has paladin levels can have paladins regardless of alignment; it is a matter of fanatical devotion to the dieties precepts not some stupid rule that require some game designers to require a boot to the head (anyone remember that old skit :) Sometimes this game, I mean the rules and the designers, just piss me off; like what is the deal; it is like squaredancing; two steps forward and one step back, sure, it is fun with the right people, but you dont get anywhere except maybe go in a big circle. Often my group and I read some of these rules and we are just like what the heck are these people thinking, boy could I rant on some silly, stupid, or not well thought out rules and such; *rant*rant*rant* lets just pretend I did; I know several of you have them too, but hey; its better than real life;
well, off to find me a couple McRibs :)

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Here's a rant! Overzealous (and incorrect) weather men.
I live in Northeast Ohio in what is known as the "snow belt" because of the increase in snowfall for being so close to Lake Erie. All of the weather men, every day, talk about how we're gonna get pounded by snow by the evening rush hour, and that we should brace ourselves for this.
You would think Hurricane Katrina was going to hit the North Coast everytime we get 2"-3" of snowfall! The idiots break into programming to give us updates, and basically use scare tactics to get us to keep watching. Never mind that more than half the time they're wrong.
Is it too much to ask for a weather report that is
A. Accurate more than half the time; and
B. Presented in a professional manner that conveys the actual facts without all the hoopla?
Sometimes, I think I'd be better off just looking out the window.

Ultradan |

Here's a rant! Overzealous (and incorrect) weather men.
Is it too much to ask for a weather report that is
A. Accurate more than half the time; and
B. Presented in a professional manner that conveys the actual facts without all the hoopla?Sometimes, I think I'd be better off just looking out the window.
I've seen fortune tellers that had better success at predicting the future than the weathe people.
Ultradan

Arctaris |

I hate live weather men too. Its much better to just get the weather forecasts from somewhere like Yahoo or Google. They are almost always right and they don't try to whip you up into a frenzy of [arka and emergency supply buying just because there is 2 or 3 inches of snow out there. This brings me to my rant, I hate those perky talk show people (news casters to). Especially the ones in the morning. I utterly despise Good Morning America. I can't handle so much perkyness that early in the morning.

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I HATE it when my model paints spill in their box for no apparent reason. The lid is sealed tightly, the bottl is intact (no cracks or anything) and still I have sky blue all over my box and a mini I was working on! AAAAAAARRGGH!! Now I'll have to repaint the mini and keep the blue in a seperate box. I'll probably have to buy more blue because most of it is on the bottom of the box!

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Speaking of weathermen - There's a local weatherman here in Philly who goes by the nickname of "Hurricane". I always thought that was wierd, since I don't think this city has ever been hit by one.
These days though, it seems like the weather reports change from hour to hour. Its pretty crazy. The saying we used to have in New Orleans was "If you don't like the weather, wait a few minutes." I would imagine that phrase can be used in lots of places though.

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Speaking of weathermen - There's a local weatherman here in Philly who goes by the nickname of "Hurricane". I always thought that was wierd, since I don't think this city has ever been hit by one.
These days though, it seems like the weather reports change from hour to hour. Its pretty crazy. The saying we used to have in New Orleans was "If you don't like the weather, wait a few minutes." I would imagine that phrase can be used in lots of places though.
I've found that that saying is used EVERYWHERE and yet everyone seems to think it unique to their hometown.

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Larry Lichman wrote:Here's a rant! Overzealous (and incorrect) weather men.
Is it too much to ask for a weather report that is
A. Accurate more than half the time; and
B. Presented in a professional manner that conveys the actual facts without all the hoopla?Sometimes, I think I'd be better off just looking out the window.
I've seen fortune tellers that had better success at predicting the future than the weathe people.
Ultradan
I throw darts at a picture of clouds, a sun, and a bunch of temperature type numbers. I'm usually wrong, but I never claimed any expertise.

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Hmm....maybe if I stood closer to what I was throwing the darts at.
I was hit in the finger by a dart once. Of course, I was somewhat inebriated at the time, and dared the young lady holding the aforementioned dart to throw it while my hand was in front of the board. She later expressed deep sorrow and concern over my injury.

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Aberzombie wrote:I've found that that saying is used EVERYWHERE and yet everyone seems to think it unique to their hometown.Speaking of weathermen - There's a local weatherman here in Philly who goes by the nickname of "Hurricane". I always thought that was wierd, since I don't think this city has ever been hit by one.
These days though, it seems like the weather reports change from hour to hour. Its pretty crazy. The saying we used to have in New Orleans was "If you don't like the weather, wait a few minutes." I would imagine that phrase can be used in lots of places though.
I was going to say that Mark Twain coined the phrase about New England, but I think he did travel around a lot back in the day, so maybe he had other people in the U.S. that he was seeing on the side and provided dry witticisms to. Mark Twain was a two-timing S.O.B! Why didn't you love us enough to stay home, Mark?

Saern |

Freaking kidnay stone! I didn't have a muscle spasm, I had a freaking kidney stone! The pain came back the next night, along with a nice up-chucking, and then again last night, when I finally went to the hospital to learn that I had a little sedimentary cocklebur passing through my guts. It still hasn't passed yet, but I've been given some treatment and am chugging water; the doctor informed me that it should pass painlessly today. Here's praying to the powers that be.

Saern |

Re: the weather stuff.
Oh, I don't know. The weather seems pretty stable here. Not nearly fast-paced enough to warrant anyone saying, "If you don't like the weather, wait a few minutes." Guess that's why I've never heard it.
However, I do hate the freaking weather men. EVerything they say could be done on a scroll at the bottom of the screen, and typically is. Still, they feel the urge to jump up and cut off programming anytime there's a single bolt of lightning. And they just say the same 30 second canned shpeel over and over, like every minute someone is tuning in whose life will be saved by their important weather information. Sensationalist bastards. You know, humanity has survived the vast, overwhelming majoirty of its time on Earth without you saving us from every little storm that comes along! Not that you do even that.
Oh, and what I really like is when they give the weather for Oklahoma or Denver or California, especially when they also include statements like, "So, you'll definitely want to stay off the roads." Gee, thanks, I'll keep that in mind while sit here in INDIANA. F+~$ing retards.

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I've found that that saying is used EVERYWHERE and yet everyone seems to think it unique to their hometown.
I used to agree, but then I moved to San Diego. The weather is the same for probably 325-335 days of the year. I would say that we get 10-20 days of non-sunny weather in a particular year.
Now in Michigan, everyone said that all the time. My weather pet peeve came from the residents of Ann Arbor. Michigan is a wet state and during the summer it rains (roughly) once a week. Ann Arbor has an Art Fair, which lasts five days. The odds of it raining during at least one day of any particular five day period is very high, and yet every year, when it does rain during the Art Fair, the natives of Ann Arbor throw up their arms and express frustration that it "always rains during Art Fair" as if rain every week is not the normal state of affairs in Michigan.

Fizzban |

Come to West Tennessee it tends to snow in April and May, it rains once a week, in December it was around 80 degrees, and it will be 20 degrees one day and 80 the next. I usually stay too hot, too cold, too wet, or too piss because it was 85 yesterday and I thought hey I'll just not wear a coat today, i'll be hot, and I end up freezing in 30 degree.
Fizz

Rothandalantearic |

Freaking kidnay stone! I didn't have a muscle spasm, I had a freaking kidney stone! The pain came back the next night, along with a nice up-chucking, and then again last night, when I finally went to the hospital to learn that I had a little sedimentary cocklebur passing through my guts. It still hasn't passed yet, but I've been given some treatment and am chugging water; the doctor informed me that it should pass painlessly today. Here's praying to the powers that be.
Amen brother

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Saern wrote:Freaking kidnay stone! I didn't have a muscle spasm, I had a freaking kidney stone! The pain came back the next night, along with a nice up-chucking, and then again last night, when I finally went to the hospital to learn that I had a little sedimentary cocklebur passing through my guts. It still hasn't passed yet, but I've been given some treatment and am chugging water; the doctor informed me that it should pass painlessly today. Here's praying to the powers that be.Amen brother
Ditto, those things suck ass!