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The Power of Dragons Is Yours

Few creatures inspire greater awe than dragons, and Pathfinder Player Companion: Legacy of Dragons dives into the ripples left in these mighty creatures' wake. Whether they help or harm, dragons make a lasting impression, from the legends and philosophies they inspire to the bloodlines they foster.

Inside this book you'll find:

  • New archetypes ranging from the dragonheir scion to the wyrmwitch, allowing players to access draconic appearances as well as lore, powers, and spells.
  • Ways for characters to enlist drakes and lesser dragons to serve as allies, improved familiars, and even flying mounts.
  • New draconic bloodlines for bloodragers and sorcerers, allowing eldritch abilities based on esoteric, imperial, outer, and primal dragons.

This Pathfinder Player Companion is intended for use with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, but can be easily incorporated into any fantasy world.

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-853-3

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Packed with good options for your use

5/5 —

I enjoyed this book (I got the print edition). It offers good options for use for a player with a dragon bloodline. And I don't mean just the sorcerer bloodlines, although they are in there too. There are options and archetypes for your use. Well worth the price.

Fluff good, not much else is.

2/5 —

I wanted to like this book. I really, really, really did. The fluff is great, and the 'premise' of the archetypes and drakes are nice.

But.

Both the archetypes, and the drake companions themselves, have some of the worst balancing I have seen in pathfinder. An example of this is the druid, who replaces an animal companion with a drake companion. The drake is actually weaker then alot of normal animal companion choices, and to take the archetype actually removes six of his core abilities just for the drake part of the archetype, never mind the additional abilities changed for the other parts of the archetype.

I really hope at some point paizo revisits the idea of these drake archetypes and companions and does a tremendous re-balancing, as many of these archetypes feel almost unplayable with how bad they can gimp a character.

The new Dragon-themed options are BAD

1/5 —

I picked up this book excited to create my new "Dragon" themed character and all the options were very weak. Also, throughout the book there were sentences repeated over and over again. I waited months for this issue and I'm completely disappointed. It's the worst Player Companion I've ever read.

Some bad, some good. Sorta meh

2/5 —

This book has a few good ideas and some great flavor text.

It falls short on the mechanics side though, especially with the archetypes that involve drakes. The cavalier archetype that gets a drake is the worst, and is so bad, I think the writer(s) who made it have never played a cavalier before, it just guts the class.

There are some glaring typos in the book, like a certain fighter archetype replacing a bonus feat at a level that the fighter does not get a bonus feat on.

This book could have been, dare I say SHOULD have been, so much more.

Great Flavor, Great Options

5/5 —

While I usually like some sections of the player companion line, I very rarely like all of them. This is the rare exception. Excellent character options, monsters, and spells throughout.

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Some more dragon related familiars would be awesome.
Dragon78 wrote:

Some more dragon related familiars would be awesome.

That would be very awesome indeed. So would dragon-related spells and masterpieces!

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More dragon stuff in general is awesome.
Dragon78 wrote:
More dragon stuff in general is awesome.

Agreed. and 32 pages is very far from enough.

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Nutcase Entertainment wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
More dragon stuff in general is awesome.
Agreed. and 32 pages is very far from enough.

Owen's point holds.

If you make this popular, we could very well see a Dragon Codex in a few years as a "spin off" from the Monster Codex!

The opportunity to write about some of the games weirder dragons sure sounds fun to me, anyway.
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Alexander Augunas wrote:
Nutcase Entertainment wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
More dragon stuff in general is awesome.
Agreed. and 32 pages is very far from enough.

Owen's point holds.

If you make this popular, we could very well see a Dragon Codex in a few years as a "spin off" from the Monster Codex!

The opportunity to write about some of the games weirder dragons sure sounds fun to me, anyway.

It's the "if Legacy of Dragons sell well" part that bother me, but Paizo has been honest in this thread that a dragons related RPG line Hardcover was never really in their planning to do, so the "make us change our minds and motivate us" is a nice call here.

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A dragon codex would be awesome.
Scarab Sages Developer
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We DO change plans occasionally. And it's a much easier sell for those of us boosting the idea to say "Hey, we did this in a respected, Golarion-appropriate way in just 32 pages, and it sold really well! maybe there's a way to do a bigger book, or AP, or CS, or... "

And, of course, as tight as the word count is, my PLAN as developer is to produce something really cool in keeping with the PC line.
Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
We DO change plans occasionally. And it's a much easier sell for those of us boosting the idea to say "Hey, we did this in a respected, Golarion-appropriate way in just 32 pages, and it sold really well! maybe there's a way to do a bigger book, or AP, or CS, or... "

Yeah I know, and most of us are grateful for it.

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I was just in the process of creating my dragon themed character - now I have to wait til July :-)

Ahh well; I'll consider it an early birthday present when it comes out.

Can I request variant dragon disciples? Maybe imperial dragon and/or linnorm disciples?

Please don't put anything dragon-slaying in there ; we had a whole PC for that! This should all be about dragon love!!
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Please Mr Owen Stephens, developer from on high, master of the printed page....

PLEASE put out a dragon themed AP.

I WILL BEG...
Scarab Sages
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I second the call for Apsu's paladin code. And it would be nice to have Dahak's antipaladin code too.
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logic_poet wrote:
I second the call for Apsu's paladin code. And it would be nice to have Dahak's antipaladin code too.

Isn't that something you'd find in Inner Sea Faiths?

CorvusMask wrote:
logic_poet wrote:
I second the call for Apsu's paladin code. And it would be nice to have Dahak's antipaladin code too.
Isn't that something you'd find in Inner Sea Faiths?

It isn't out yet... but probably.

The book might still talk about those that worship dragons.
Nutcase Entertainment wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
logic_poet wrote:
I second the call for Apsu's paladin code. And it would be nice to have Dahak's antipaladin code too.
Isn't that something you'd find in Inner Sea Faiths?
It isn't out yet... but probably.

From what I remember, the developer Amanda said that is the case over on its page.

Shadow Lodge

Is there a dragon race and in this? Quadrapedal so it's not just Human+?

It was already said(page 2) that there will not be a dragon blooded race in this book:(
Shadow Lodge

Not much of a legacy. Come on, Paizo, is we can have Astomoi, a race that makes no sense, why can't we have an actual dragon race???

Why not wait and see what IS in this book before we whine about what ISN'T in this book?!

I personally would prefer traits of various kinds for core races that may have dragon heritage.
Shadow Lodge

Because a decent non-humanoid race is something that hasn't happened yet, and books like this would be perfect for filling that niche?
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I don't think Paizo has much of an intention of including any non-humanoid races, though, based on what's been said. Given the number of things that presume players are playing a normal humanoid-shaped (if not Humanoid) race, if anything, I would expect to find it in a relevant hardcover, rather than a player's companion, with a lot of support for magic items, equipment, and other such things that would support nonhumanoid characters, as well as various rules for things like somatic components and other such. I also kind of suspect they wouldn't be dragons, given the attempts to make dragons generally more above mortal affairs Paizo's been working on.

Anyways, in general, I presume the legacy of dragons mentioned in this is the legacy dragons leave to non-dragons, not, well, the legacy of dragons being more dragons.
Dragonborn3 wrote:
Because a decent non-humanoid race is something that hasn't happened yet, and books like this would be perfect for filling that niche?

If you want non-humanoid on a technicality, there's Outsider (Native). If you want races without arms, that's going to be third party. The game isn't really built to support that well on PCs. If all you want is to play a quadruped, Kitsunes can spend their life in fox form at +3 BAB.

Liberty's Edge
Dragonborn3 wrote:
Is there a dragon race and in this? Quadrapedal so it's not just Human+?

They could add a 'quadruped' racial option for Kobolds. That'd cover it.

CBDunkerson wrote:
Dragonborn3 wrote:
Is there a dragon race and in this? Quadrapedal so it's not just Human+?
They could add a 'quadruped' racial option for Kobolds. That'd cover it.

And Kobolds aren't Human+, they're Human-.

Kobolds and wyvarans are not what I am looking for in a dragon blooded race but this book is not getting any such races so the conversation is moot.

I would like to see what we will be getting as opposed to what we are not getting. This a new type of player companion book so don't really know what to expect.
Scarab Sages Developer
Dragonborn3 wrote:
Is there a dragon race and in this? Quadrapedal so it's not just Human+?

No, this isn't a "Blood of" book, and we're not presenting a new draconic race. This book is much more about how dragons their their powers influence things we've already mentioned as in Golarion.

Liberty's Edge
Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
No, this isn't a "Blood of" book, and we're not presenting a new draconic race. This book is much more about how dragons their their powers influence things we've already mentioned as in Golarion.

See... Kobolds (and Wyvarans) are things they've already mentioned as in Golarion.

One tiny little 'quadruped' option and you've got a "non-humanoid" draconic race... or two. :]

*wants to see the power usage Linnorms have*

Will Linnorms get any love in this book?

My retired dragonic bloodline Sorc is jealousy eyeing this book. Guess it may be time to make a dragonkin :)
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Marco Massoudi wrote:
A time dragon bloodline would be nice.

For those asking for alternate dragon bloodlines, remember that there was a trait in "People of the Stars" called Outer Dragon Blood that opened up Lunar, Solar, Time, Void and Vortex Draconic Bloodlines for sorcerers.

It would be great if they were available without spending a trait on them. And it certainly would be nice if they were available as Bloodrager bloodlines as well.
BardWannabe wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:
A time dragon bloodline would be nice.

For those asking for alternate dragon bloodlines, remember that there was a trait in "People of the Stars" called Outer Dragon Blood that opened up Lunar, Solar, Time, Void and Vortex Draconic Bloodlines for sorcerers.

It would be great if they were available without spending a trait of them. And it certainly would be nice if they were available as Bloodrager bloodlines as well.

And those Dragon Bloodlines grant the Standard Fire/Lightning/Cold/Acid Cones/Lines.

Nutcase Entertainment wrote:
BardWannabe wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:
A time dragon bloodline would be nice.

For those asking for alternate dragon bloodlines, remember that there was a trait in "People of the Stars" called Outer Dragon Blood that opened up Lunar, Solar, Time, Void and Vortex Draconic Bloodlines for sorcerers.

It would be great if they were available without spending a trait of them. And it certainly would be nice if they were available as Bloodrager bloodlines as well.

And those Dragon Bloodlines grant the Standard Fire/Lightning/Cold/Acid Cones/Lines.

They are tweaked a bit. For example, Time lets you do a cone of electricity.

Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
Dragonborn3 wrote:
Is there a dragon race and in this? Quadrapedal so it's not just Human+?
No, this isn't a "Blood of" book, and we're not presenting a new draconic race. This book is much more about how dragons their their powers influence things we've already mentioned as in Golarion.

Will there be alternate racial traits like Feyborn or Shadowborn? character options (feats, archetypes, spells, etc) to gain draconic characteristics of takingg the shape of dragons? Infos on Hermea?

I would hope there will be dragon themed alternate racial traits, feats, traits, etc. It wouldn't be much a players companion book without it;)
BardWannabe wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:
A time dragon bloodline would be nice.

For those asking for alternate dragon bloodlines, remember that there was a trait in "People of the Stars" called Outer Dragon Blood that opened up Lunar, Solar, Time, Void and Vortex Draconic Bloodlines for sorcerers.

It would be great if they were available without spending a trait on them. And it certainly would be nice if they were available as Bloodrager bloodlines as well.

I agree. I loved what they did in that book, it added a few more options to the different draconic blood types for characters.

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Am I the only one who wants there to be a Dragon oracle mystery in this book?

A Dragon Oracle mystery would rock. Also so would a fey/first world oracle mystery but that would be for another book.
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Dragon Oracle is actually a nice idea!
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Dragon Oracle is good, but I'd also enjoy a 'draconic' Oracle curse. Maybe one that provides an increasing natural armor bonus at the price of worsened use of social skills or the like?
Liberty's Edge
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Eric Hinkle wrote:
Dragon Oracle is good, but I'd also enjoy a 'draconic' Oracle curse. Maybe one that provides an increasing natural armor bonus at the price of worsened use of social skills or the like?

Or a compulsion to hoard material wealth rather than spending it. :]

Silver Crusade
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CBDunkerson wrote:
Eric Hinkle wrote:
Dragon Oracle is good, but I'd also enjoy a 'draconic' Oracle curse. Maybe one that provides an increasing natural armor bonus at the price of worsened use of social skills or the like?
Or a compulsion to hoard material wealth rather than spending it. :]

I played a Draconic Bloodrager once who always slept on a chest containing all the party's coins and gems :3

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CBDunkerson wrote:
Eric Hinkle wrote:
Dragon Oracle is good, but I'd also enjoy a 'draconic' Oracle curse. Maybe one that provides an increasing natural armor bonus at the price of worsened use of social skills or the like?
Or a compulsion to hoard material wealth rather than spending it. :]

This is an excellent idea for an draconic oracle curse. Maybe the character should feel compelled to always make sure he always has an amount of gold at least equal to the value of what he's wearing :)

Another possibility would be some sort of 'hording' drawback trait, so that this would be available to all players and not just oracles.
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Here's some things that I would be interested in:

A Draconic Pupil archetype for either the Wizard, Occultist, or the Arcanist, basically someone that studied magic at the foot of a dragon.

More options for having dragons as cohorts. Maybe something to allow drakes to be mounts?

A Dragon-Style fighter, brawler, magus, monk, swashbuckler, cavalier or samurai. Some martial love, not for slaying dragons, but for emulating their fighting spirit.

Additional options for sorcerers with dragon as their bloodline. There have been a number of additional dragons introduced, maybe some options for Imperial or Esoteric dragon blood?

I like the Dragon Oracle idea. Maybe also a Dragon spirit for the Shaman, and a Dragon spirit for the Medium??

Those are somethings that could be cool.
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I would love some dragon themed fighters, brawlers, magus, monk, swashbuckler, and Samurai.

Additional stuff for draconic blooded sorcerers.

Also the dragon spirit for shamans and mediums as well.

Don´t forget there absolutely needs to be more stuff and also more player options including tentacles...and kraken.
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Eric Hinkle wrote:
Dragon Oracle is good, but I'd also enjoy a 'draconic' Oracle curse. Maybe one that provides an increasing natural armor bonus at the price of worsened use of social skills or the like?

And an Archetype about having both the Mystery and the Curse.

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Am I the only one more excited about the possibilities of a product subline than the potential content of the dragon book? I suspect like most offerings, it will have things I like and things I don't, but you can't please everyone and that's Ok.

Seriously though, "Legacy of Undead" ? I miss the early days when the Whispering Tyrant had more to do in the world. So many possibilities here, from the Necropolis of Osirion to diseases cures and prevention to other wonderful things beyond my creative comprehension...
Dark Archive
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GreatKhanArtist wrote:

Am I the only one more excited about the possibilities of a product subline than the potential content of the dragon book? I suspect like most offerings, it will have things I like and things I don't, but you can't please everyone and that's Ok.

Seriously though, "Legacy of Undead" ? I miss the early days when the Whispering Tyrant had more to do in the world. So many possibilities here, from the Necropolis of Osirion to diseases cures and prevention to other wonderful things beyond my creative comprehension...

Ooh, neat. Traditionally Dragons and Undead are the two most common 'legacy' races, along with Outsiders (which has already gotten some love with Blood of Fiends and Blood of Angels).

For Aberrations, Legacy of the Outer Dark?
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