Pathfinder Player Companion: Legacy of Dragons (PFRPG)

Rysky, can you do a review of the book?

Rysky wrote:

jedi8187 wrote:

I'm a bit curious what the various imperial bloodlines do, especially for blood rager.

When it says the Dragonheir Scion gets a bloodline, is it sorcerer or blood rager?

They've already been mentioned, it's an alternate Bloodline, not a brand new one. It just alters the arcana for sorcerers and the breath weapon for both them and Bloodragers.

It's its own thing.

Cool. Thanks again

Np :3

Rysky, can you do a review of the book?

Possibly?

I'm not really good at writing reviews, and I don't think me saying Linnorms! Over and over again would really count as much of a review.

At most it would be along the lines of "this book is pretty sweet, worth buying".

*shrugs*

Craig Tierney wrote:

Hmm. How does the Scaled Fist look at 1st level? Do they switch out Stunning Fist for anything? Do they get different bonus feats?

They keep Stunning fist, which is good because they add the Dragon Style feats to their bonus feats. They also add Dazzling Display and some feats that follow DD. They also get a mediocre breath weapon eventually.

Craig Tierney wrote:

Hmm. How does the Scaled Fist look at 1st level? Do they switch out Stunning Fist for anything? Do they get different bonus feats?

At 1st level all they gain is going off of CHA instead of Wisdom.

They do not switch out Stunning Fist.

They do gain different style feats.

Thanksss.

EltonJ wrote:

Rysky, can you do a review of the book?

Possibly?

I'm not really good at writing reviews, and I don't think me saying Linnorms! Over and over again would really count as much of a review.

At most it would be along the lines of "this book is pretty sweet, worth buying".

*shrugs*

I used to do reviews myself.

EltonJ wrote:

Rysky, can you do a review of the book?

Possibly?

I'm not really good at writing reviews, and I don't think me saying Linnorms! Over and over again would really count as much of a review.

At most it would be along the lines of "this book is pretty sweet, worth buying".

*shrugs*

I always recommend leaving a review with feedback, whether it's comprehensive or just a sentence or two. I found them very helpful when deciding which products to buy (of course being on staff means I get access, but the principle remains the same for non-Paizo products as well).

Rysky wrote:

EltonJ wrote:

Rysky, can you do a review of the book?

Possibly?

I'm not really good at writing reviews, and I don't think me saying Linnorms! Over and over again would really count as much of a review.

At most it would be along the lines of "this book is pretty sweet, worth buying".

*shrugs*

I always recommend leaving a review with feedback, whether it's comprehensive or just a sentence or two. I found them very helpful when deciding which products to buy (of course being on staff means I get access, but the principle remains the same for non-Paizo products as well).

Well, there you go, Rysky. Thank you, Mark. I might be able to review this book myself.

I'd review it, but I'd actually need a copy to do so.

In the meantime, thank you Rysky!

EltonJ wrote:

Rysky, can you do a review of the book?

Possibly?

I'm not really good at writing reviews, and I don't think me saying Linnorms! Over and over again would really count as much of a review.

At most it would be along the lines of "this book is pretty sweet, worth buying".

*shrugs*

Saying "Linnorms!" over and over again sounds like a great review to me.

Also, I never thanked you for the info yesterday. So, thanks for the info yesterday!

Rysky wrote:

EltonJ wrote:

Rysky, can you do a review of the book?

Possibly?

I'm not really good at writing reviews, and I don't think me saying Linnorms! Over and over again would really count as much of a review.

At most it would be along the lines of "this book is pretty sweet, worth buying".

*shrugs*

Saying "Linnorms!" over and over again sounds like a great review to me.

Also, I never thanked you for the info yesterday. So, thanks for the info yesterday!

Np :3

I will write a review after I get my physical copy.

FlySkyHigh wrote:

Someone who has the book already, can I get an opinion on the Imperial bloodlines? That's one of the things I'm looking forward to most, but I'm stuck waiting until thursday at Gencon to acquire my own copy, pdf or otherwise.

The arcana gives you bonus when you cast spells against shaken, frightened, and panicked creatures.

Some of the breath attacks deal piercing or bashing instead of a element.

The Heritage Feat ability gives your allies a bonus against fear and your enemies a penalty vs it, useable a certain number of times per day.

The Draconic Manifestation ability gives you a bonus to Intimidate and makes you immune to fear effects for a certain number of rounds per day.

The Breath Weapon change is one of the very few things that bugs me about this book. Could they not have just altered the dice rather than the element?! Piercing instead of Sonic? Bludgeoning instead of Force? Just do what you did with the Form of spells and the Alchemist Discoveries and adjust the DICE, not the element.

Isn't the BW change linked to the resistance / immunity ability ?

*enjoys it when Rysky says linnorms in reviews*

Just one quick question Rysky, I just now thought about since I can think clearly now: Are there any magic items that stand out in this? Are there even magic items?!

*enjoys it when Rysky says linnorms in reviews*

Just one quick question Rysky, I just now thought about since I can think clearly now: Are there any magic items that stand out in this? Are there even magic items?!

No magic items.

Actually, while I'm at it, here's the crunch contained within:

I think almost all of this has been gone over already, which is one reason I hadn't posted this earlier, but on reflection, it might be helpful to have it all in one post, perhaps?

Well it can't hurt Luthorne.

So thank you! :)

I don't think sovereign blade was covered much, or I missed it if it was.

THERES A SAMURAI ARCHETYPE AND NOBODY MENTIONED IT OH GOD IM GOING TO FAINT

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Interesting, thanks.

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Replacing mount for a non scaling bonus vs spells with alignment components? Why on earth would this ever be worth it? Just be a dwarf, take glories of old, wham.

Luthorne wrote:

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Replacing mount for a non scaling bonus vs spells with alignment components? Why on earth would this ever be worth it? Just be a dwarf, take glories of old, wham.

In the case where you don't want a mount..?

In addition, it's important to remember that archetypes are designed as a unified whole. Even if one particular trade looks bad on paper, it might be important in the context of the archetype as a whole.

Luthorne wrote:

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Replacing mount for a non scaling bonus vs spells with alignment components? Why on earth would this ever be worth it? Just be a dwarf, take glories of old, wham.

Why not both?

All I know is Samurai Jack never rode a horse into combat unless it was for dramatic effect.

Luthorne wrote:

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Replacing mount for a non scaling bonus vs spells with alignment components? Why on earth would this ever be worth it? Just be a dwarf, take glories of old, wham.

I have to agree, as a whole this seems like a pretty weak archetype, but it could partially be because samurai/cavalier is a pretty weak chassis. I might just be spoiled on vigilantes at this point.

Craig Tierney wrote:

Luthorne wrote:

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Replacing mount for a non scaling bonus vs spells with alignment components? Why on earth would this ever be worth it? Just be a dwarf, take glories of old, wham.

In the case where you don't want a mount..?

In that case you could play a Sword Saint.

Alchemaic,

True I like Sword Saint. :)

Xethik wrote:

Craig Tierney wrote:

Luthorne wrote:

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Replacing mount for a non scaling bonus vs spells with alignment components? Why on earth would this ever be worth it? Just be a dwarf, take glories of old, wham.

In the case where you don't want a mount..?

In that case you could play a Sword Saint.

I'd rather have sonic damage fire breath than an ability that doesn't work half of the time unless I'm carrying twenty sheaths with me.

I like the bonus to saves, as it foments you to be TN like a Sovereign Dragon.

Also, using resolve to gain energy resistance is whack. Any type of resistance on demand on a purely martial class seems insane.

You could give yourself sonic or force resistance if you so needed.

My only question is what kind of DC is the dragon's breath based on?

Also, using resolve to gain energy resistance is whack. Any type of resistance on demand on a purely martial class seems insane.

You could give yourself sonic or force resistance if you so needed

The energy resistance is equal to half Samurai level... That's kinda a paltry amount of energy resistance especially as late game begins to arrive. Not counting that there is often better uses for Resolve.

Alchemaic wrote:

Xethik wrote:

Craig Tierney wrote:

Luthorne wrote:

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Replacing mount for a non scaling bonus vs spells with alignment components? Why on earth would this ever be worth it? Just be a dwarf, take glories of old, wham.

In the case where you don't want a mount..?

In that case you could play a Sword Saint.

I'd rather have sonic damage fire breath than an ability that doesn't work half of the time unless I'm carrying twenty sheaths with me.

I like the bonus to saves, as it foments you to be TN like a Sovereign Dragon.

Also, using resolve to gain energy resistance is whack. Any type of resistance on demand on a purely martial class seems insane.

You could give yourself sonic or force resistance if you so needed.

My only question is what kind of DC is the dragon's breath based on?

Sword Saint ain't great, but at least it can do its thing more than 3 times per day at level 18, even if it's only 1/day against any given target. Plus you can always just sheathe as a Swift with Combat Stamina and Quick Draw.

We also don't know how much the flat save bonus is or what type. A +5 untyped bonus is pretty nice. A +1 Resistance bonus, not so much.

The energy resistance is an interesting use, but if it's only 1/2 level like xevious said then that's pretty piddly. 10 Fire resistance at level 20 is barely enough to ward off a non-boosted Burning Hands.

THERES A SAMURAI ARCHETYPE AND NOBODY MENTIONED IT OH GOD IM GOING TO FAINT

So like Odyseus, I am no "Nobody"? Because I mentioned it...I love it. It may not optimal, but fun!

Don't worry Four, you're not Odysseus.

I don't think many of those traits were touched on too much (racial and otherwise)? What do we get with them?

Trait bonuses, I'd assume, Dire Toad.

Secret Wizard wrote:

Alchemaic wrote:

Xethik wrote:

Craig Tierney wrote:

Luthorne wrote:

** spoiler omitted **

Replacing mount for a non scaling bonus vs spells with alignment components? Why on earth would this ever be worth it? Just be a dwarf, take glories of old, wham.

In the case where you don't want a mount..?

In that case you could play a Sword Saint.

I'd rather have sonic damage fire breath than an ability that doesn't work half of the time unless I'm carrying twenty sheaths with me.

I like the bonus to saves, as it foments you to be TN like a Sovereign Dragon.

Also, using resolve to gain energy resistance is whack. Any type of resistance on demand on a purely martial class seems insane.

You could give yourself sonic or force resistance if you so needed.

My only question is what kind of DC is the dragon's breath based on?

Sword Saint ain't great, but at least it can do its thing more than 3 times per day at level 18, even if it's only 1/day against any given target. Plus you can always just sheathe as a Swift with Combat Stamina and Quick Draw.

We also don't know how much the flat save bonus is or what type. A +5 untyped bonus is pretty nice. A +1 Resistance bonus, not so much.

The energy resistance is an interesting use, but if it's only 1/2 level like xevious said then that's pretty piddly. 10 Fire resistance at level 20 is barely enough to ward off a non-boosted Burning Hands.

The bonus is +2 untyped versus alignment effects that don't match part of your own alignment. Seeing as it's moderately difficult to be affected by alignment affects that match one of your own alignments (holy smite and holy word aren't going to do much to a Neutral Good character for example), you aren't actually that obligated to be TN. And I have the pdf and look forward to the physical copy's deliverance so I promise my word is pretty good.

Wait, couldn't you and a drake companion take the Improved Spell Sharing feat to get past the drake companion missing Share Spells?

Secret Wizard wrote:

THERES A SAMURAI ARCHETYPE AND NOBODY MENTIONED IT OH GOD IM GOING TO FAINT

So like Odyseus, I am no "Nobody"? Because I mentioned it...I love it. It may not optimal, but fun!

It must have slipped my (single) eye.

Wait, couldn't you and a drake companion take the Improved Spell Sharing feat to get past the drake companion missing Share Spells?

Oh yeah that would work since the Drake would fall under "special mount".

Now my package has really shipped and it's in Auburn, WA right now. I'm expecting it tomorrow. ;)

One day before it shows up in GenCon. :)

I really like the hoarding from the Covetous oracle curse and the Wyrmwitch Hoard. It's a little thing, but it's pretty cool.

I'm so glad this book has been added to my hoard. You adventurers stay away now, you hear?

I really like the hoarding from the Covetous oracle curse and the Wyrmwitch Hoard. It's a little thing, but it's pretty cool.

I'm so glad this book has been added to my hoard. You adventurers stay away now, you hear?

I got my own.

Covetous Oracle Curse is basically the next big thing for casters.

Covetous Oracle Curse is basically the next big thing for casters.

And could be fun with VMCers.

Hell, my Outer Dragon Bloodline Bloodrager already stored the party's treasure in a chest that he slept on, this is just gravy.

And for those without UMB before...

Covetous Oracle Curse is basically the next big thing for casters.

What does it do?

Secret Wizard wrote:

Covetous Oracle Curse is basically the next big thing for casters.

What does it do?

You have to wear an increasing amount of wealth or get sickened, you also get sickened if someone steals from you.

You start out getting UMD as a class skill.

Then you get +4 on Appraise, Spellcraft to identify spells, and on all UMD checks.

Then you add fabricate to your spell list.

Then finally you add 1/2 your level to CMB vs Steal Manuevers and against Sleight of Hand checks against you.

UllarWarlord wrote:

The first racial trait on page 10, Dragon Magic, really speaks to me. It's like [Element] Affinity, but with DRAGONS! However, the book does not state which racial trait it replaces for elves. If a dev could chime in as to which one it is, that'd be stupendous; I already have a character in my head that I'd like to bring to life!

Yeah, it's also outside the Elf section.

Very weird editing issue going on there.

I notice that the PFS Campaign Clarifications now states that:

Dragon magic is a racial trait for elves. This racial trait replaces elven magic.

That's probably as close to an official errata as we're going to get.

Damn, that was quick.

Damn, that was quick.

I'm guessing that they rushed to get it out before the upcoming convention.

I notice that the outer dragon variant bloodlines are the only ones banned. Any idea what made those so different from the others?

Rysky wrote:

Damn, that was quick.

I'm guessing that they rushed to get it out before the upcoming convention.

I notice that the outer dragon variant bloodlines are the only ones banned. Any idea what made those so different from the others?

They were left out in the cold?