Pathfinder Player Companion: Legacy of Dragons (PFRPG)

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The Power of Dragons Is Yours

Few creatures inspire greater awe than dragons, and Pathfinder Player Companion: Legacy of Dragons dives into the ripples left in these mighty creatures' wake. Whether they help or harm, dragons make a lasting impression, from the legends and philosophies they inspire to the bloodlines they foster.

Inside this book you'll find:

  • New archetypes ranging from the dragonheir scion to the wyrmwitch, allowing players to access draconic appearances as well as lore, powers, and spells.
  • Ways for characters to enlist drakes and lesser dragons to serve as allies, improved familiars, and even flying mounts.
  • New draconic bloodlines for bloodragers and sorcerers, allowing eldritch abilities based on esoteric, imperial, outer, and primal dragons.

This Pathfinder Player Companion is intended for use with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, but can be easily incorporated into any fantasy world.

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-853-3

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Packed with good options for your use

5/5

I enjoyed this book (I got the print edition). It offers good options for use for a player with a dragon bloodline. And I don't mean just the sorcerer bloodlines, although they are in there too. There are options and archetypes for your use. Well worth the price.


Fluff good, not much else is.

2/5

I wanted to like this book. I really, really, really did. The fluff is great, and the 'premise' of the archetypes and drakes are nice.

But.

Both the archetypes, and the drake companions themselves, have some of the worst balancing I have seen in pathfinder. An example of this is the druid, who replaces an animal companion with a drake companion. The drake is actually weaker then alot of normal animal companion choices, and to take the archetype actually removes six of his core abilities just for the drake part of the archetype, never mind the additional abilities changed for the other parts of the archetype.

I really hope at some point paizo revisits the idea of these drake archetypes and companions and does a tremendous re-balancing, as many of these archetypes feel almost unplayable with how bad they can gimp a character.


The new Dragon-themed options are BAD

1/5

I picked up this book excited to create my new "Dragon" themed character and all the options were very weak. Also, throughout the book there were sentences repeated over and over again. I waited months for this issue and I'm completely disappointed. It's the worst Player Companion I've ever read.


Some bad, some good. Sorta meh

2/5

This book has a few good ideas and some great flavor text.

It falls short on the mechanics side though, especially with the archetypes that involve drakes. The cavalier archetype that gets a drake is the worst, and is so bad, I think the writer(s) who made it have never played a cavalier before, it just guts the class.

There are some glaring typos in the book, like a certain fighter archetype replacing a bonus feat at a level that the fighter does not get a bonus feat on.

This book could have been, dare I say SHOULD have been, so much more.


Great Flavor, Great Options

5/5

While I usually like some sections of the player companion line, I very rarely like all of them. This is the rare exception. Excellent character options, monsters, and spells throughout.


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Mm well something to think about for later.

Thank you Rysky.

Silver Crusade

What's also nice about these Style Feats? Combat Expertise is NOT required for any of them.

Silver Crusade

Np, Thomas and FNG :3


*doesn't under that acronym* But okay.

Ooh Style feats that DON"T need Combat Expertise?! Cool. :)

Silver Crusade

Friendly Neighborhood Glabrezu


Ah! See I'd picture you more a FN1/2Dragon. :)

Silver Crusade

;P

(the other poster asking questions about the styles , silly)


AH! Still...

How about spells? Any cool spells in this book?


Can someone list the feats?


Fourshadow wrote:

Dragonblood Chymist and more Heritage feats sound nifty!

May I have my PDFs now, please?! Yes, I am impatient and freely admit it.

I would really like to have my PDFs, but in the meantime, would someone enlighten me on this new Chymist aforementioned?


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Any info on the Heritage feats would also be welcome. I'm hoping they don't have high Cha requirements like the Draconic Eldritch Heritage feats do.

Shadow Lodge

Anything for Mediums in this? I kind of want to see mediums who can call on dragon spirits.


Rysky wrote:
Scaled Fist goes off of CHA instead of WIS. Start gaining dragon immunities and can imbue their attacks with an element and gain a breath attack. Has rules for if you're playing a core monk or unchained version.

So does this mean that Monk (Scaled Fist) 1/Sorcerer X is likely to become a popular multiclass combination?

It looks like Paizo has finally answered and improved on the Ascetic Mage feat from D&D 3.5.


Gisher wrote:
Any info on the Heritage feats would also be welcome. I'm hoping they don't have high Cha requirements like the Draconic Eldritch Heritage feats do.

I second this question.

Silver Crusade

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Eric Hinkle wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Any info on the Heritage feats would also be welcome. I'm hoping they don't have high Cha requirements like the Draconic Eldritch Heritage feats do.
I second this question.

*Yawn*

Sorry, I'm awake.

There's technically one one Draconic Heritage feat, but it takes up TWO friggin pages because it gives you a special attack depending on what type of dragon you pick. For some of them if you're a certain class you get additional stuff or extra uses. It also does require a 13 CHA so not that bad.

There's also the Bloodline Manifestion feat for Sorcerer and Bloodragers that gives an ability (they're all pretty cool, not just breath attacks or something) depending on what draconic bloodline you got.


David knott 242 wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Scaled Fist goes off of CHA instead of WIS. Start gaining dragon immunities and can imbue their attacks with an element and gain a breath attack. Has rules for if you're playing a core monk or unchained version.

So does this mean that Monk (Scaled Fist) 1/Sorcerer X is likely to become a popular multiclass combination?

It looks like Paizo has finally answered and improved on the Ascetic Mage feat from D&D 3.5.

Well, Monk/Sorcerer (Empyreal Sorcerer) was already a possible multiclass combination. This does offer more options when picking your sorcerer bloodline, though, might be interesting for a dragon disciple build...

...kind of wonder if it'll be a slightly less MAD way of getting into the champion of Irori prestige class...do they keep Still Mind?

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They do not.


Rysky wrote:
They do not.

Ah, well. Probably more thematic for a champion of Apsu class, anyways, and will still probably have some decent synergy for monk/paladin (or tyrant antipaladin!).


Wow a feat that takes up a page, sounds interesting.

What class or classes can get the dragon companion? Do you get any options for what body shape or abilities/traits the dragon has?

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It's specifically a Drake (that has unique abilities that you can pick from).

Druid, Shaman, Cavalier, Ranger, and Paladin all have archetypes that can get one.

Importantly, Drake Companions do not count as Animal Companions for anything that affects Animal Companions and if your DC dies it SPECIFICALLY says you can't just get another as easily as you would an AC, you HAVE to get your's raised.


I am surprised they didn't give options for dragon kin since they can be any alignment. Drakes are usually evil so I take it this version is neutral or can be any alignment?

Are there any spells/magic items that summon, create, gate a dragon?

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They can be any non-good.

There's draconic ally which summons a Psuedodragon buffed up by a form of _ dragon spell and lasts 1 day per level.

Speaking of, we now have the Form of the Alien Dragon and form of the Exotic Dragon spell lines.


Can someone list the traits and alternate racial traits?


Can we get a run down of the Mesmerist archetype ?


Luthorne wrote:
Rysky wrote:
They do not.
Ah, well. Probably more thematic for a champion of Apsu class, anyways, and will still probably have some decent synergy for monk/paladin (or tyrant antipaladin!).

You can combine this with the Irorian Paladin however. That should be pretty awesome :). And I think you can prolly even get CHA to AC twice this way.


Alex Mack wrote:
Luthorne wrote:
Rysky wrote:
They do not.
Ah, well. Probably more thematic for a champion of Apsu class, anyways, and will still probably have some decent synergy for monk/paladin (or tyrant antipaladin!).
You can combine this with the Irorian Paladin however. That should be pretty awesome :). And I think you can prolly even get CHA to AC twice this way.

El no stacko. Both are untyped bonuses.


Hmm... guess that's true. I was thinking that the Irorian Paladin is treated as DEX and is essentially a Dodge Bonus but it's not explicitly called out as being one.


Rysky wrote:
They can be any non-good.

So how does it work for the Paladin archetype that gets one?


Rysky wrote:

They can be any non-good.

There's draconic ally which summons a Psuedodragon buffed up by a form of _ dragon spell and lasts 1 day per level.

Speaking of, we now have the Form of the Alien Dragon and form of the Exotic Dragon spell lines.

Knew that about the "Form of" spells, but thanks for the other note: That sounds absolutely AWESOME.

Sigh, still PDF-less here....


Rysky,

So what no other spells listed?


Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Rysky wrote:


Speaking of, we now have the Form of the Alien Dragon and form of the Exotic Dragon spell lines.

Well hot damn.

Silver Crusade

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Entryhazard wrote:
Rysky wrote:
They can be any non-good.
So how does it work for the Paladin archetype that gets one?

Easy, don't pick an evil drake.

Non-good doesn't automatically mean evil.

Silver Crusade

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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Rysky,

So what no other spells listed?

There's a few more, and Apsu themed one, a Dahak themed one, one that gives you a tail, and one that makes touch attacks resolves against your normal AC.


Hmph.

Honestly I thought we'd get more than 5-7 spells...

Thank you anyway Rysky! :)

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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Hmph.

Honestly I thought we'd get more than 5-7 spells...

Thank you anyway Rysky! :)

Np ^w^

(And technically you do since each of the form of _ have a I, II, and III version)


What kind traits are in the book?


Secret Wizard wrote:
Alex Mack wrote:
Luthorne wrote:
Rysky wrote:
They do not.
Ah, well. Probably more thematic for a champion of Apsu class, anyways, and will still probably have some decent synergy for monk/paladin (or tyrant antipaladin!).
You can combine this with the Irorian Paladin however. That should be pretty awesome :). And I think you can prolly even get CHA to AC twice this way.
El no stacko. Both are untyped bonuses.

As I understood it untyped bonuses from different sources stacked.


Could the drake companion easily replace the eidolon for a summoner?


Poison Dusk wrote:
Secret Wizard wrote:
Alex Mack wrote:
Luthorne wrote:
Rysky wrote:
They do not.
Ah, well. Probably more thematic for a champion of Apsu class, anyways, and will still probably have some decent synergy for monk/paladin (or tyrant antipaladin!).
You can combine this with the Irorian Paladin however. That should be pretty awesome :). And I think you can prolly even get CHA to AC twice this way.
El no stacko. Both are untyped bonuses.
As I understood it untyped bonuses from different sources stacked.

Not if they're using the same ability score, if I remember correctly.


Poison Dusk wrote:
Secret Wizard wrote:
Alex Mack wrote:
Luthorne wrote:
Rysky wrote:
They do not.
Ah, well. Probably more thematic for a champion of Apsu class, anyways, and will still probably have some decent synergy for monk/paladin (or tyrant antipaladin!).
You can combine this with the Irorian Paladin however. That should be pretty awesome :). And I think you can prolly even get CHA to AC twice this way.
El no stacko. Both are untyped bonuses.
As I understood it untyped bonuses from different sources stacked.

Covered in an FAQ.


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Rysky wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Rysky,

So what no other spells listed?

There's a few more, and Apsu themed one, a Dahak themed one, one that gives you a tail, and one that makes touch attacks resolves against your normal AC.

That Touch Attacks vs normal AC spell is single handedly going to save dragons from firearm related extinction. All of my dragons are going to mysteriously have that on their spell list now, lol.


Rysky wrote:
Entryhazard wrote:
Rysky wrote:
They can be any non-good.
So how does it work for the Paladin archetype that gets one?

Easy, don't pick an evil drake.

Non-good doesn't automatically mean evil.

While association is permitted, the paladin code goes more specific about underlings:

code wrote:
A paladin may accept only henchmen, followers, or cohorts who are lawful good.

I was figuring that a Drake being intelligent might count as such

Dark Archive

Entryhazard wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Entryhazard wrote:
Rysky wrote:
They can be any non-good.
So how does it work for the Paladin archetype that gets one?

Easy, don't pick an evil drake.

Non-good doesn't automatically mean evil.

While association is permitted, the paladin code goes a little more specific:

code wrote:


A paladin may accept only henchmen, followers, or cohorts who are lawful good.
I was figuring that a Drake being intelligent might count as such

A paladin's mount is intelligent, and is TN, at least before level 11

Silver Crusade

Entryhazard wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Entryhazard wrote:
Rysky wrote:
They can be any non-good.
So how does it work for the Paladin archetype that gets one?

Easy, don't pick an evil drake.

Non-good doesn't automatically mean evil.

While association is permitted, the paladin code goes more specific about underlings:

code wrote:
A paladin may accept only henchmen, followers, or cohorts who are lawful good.
I was figuring that a Drake being intelligent might count as such

Correct, but a Drake Companion is none of those :3

Might possibly be an oversight of the Archetype's Creator though, but until then I'd say the Paladin can have a kinda-sorta-but-not-quite-animal-companion Drake Companion that's non-evil.

Silver Crusade

Matrix Dragon wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Rysky,

So what no other spells listed?

There's a few more, and Apsu themed one, a Dahak themed one, one that gives you a tail, and one that makes touch attacks resolves against your normal AC.
That Touch Attacks vs normal AC spell is single handedly going to save dragons from firearm related extinction. All of my dragons are going to mysteriously have that on their spell list now, lol.

It lasts for minutes but once it's activated it only lasts until the end of the Caster's next turn, but still, a definite preserving tactic vs firearms.


Craig Tierney wrote:
A paladin's mount is intelligent, and is TN, at least before level 11

It's never specified the Mount's alignment, and if I were to follow the ability's description (an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve her in her crusade against evil) it probably is more LG than TN.


What about the Dragonheir scion?


Any Kineticist stuff?
Anybody get to turn into a dragon?

Silver Crusade

Axial wrote:
What about the Dragonheir scion?

They gain draconic abilites and build off Arcane Strike and can buff it with elemental damage.

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