David knott 242 |
Scaled Fist goes off of CHA instead of WIS. Start gaining dragon immunities and can imbue their attacks with an element and gain a breath attack. Has rules for if you're playing a core monk or unchained version.
So does this mean that Monk (Scaled Fist) 1/Sorcerer X is likely to become a popular multiclass combination?
It looks like Paizo has finally answered and improved on the Ascetic Mage feat from D&D 3.5.
Rysky |
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Gisher wrote:Any info on the Heritage feats would also be welcome. I'm hoping they don't have high Cha requirements like the Draconic Eldritch Heritage feats do.I second this question.
*Yawn*
Sorry, I'm awake.
There's technically one one Draconic Heritage feat, but it takes up TWO friggin pages because it gives you a special attack depending on what type of dragon you pick. For some of them if you're a certain class you get additional stuff or extra uses. It also does require a 13 CHA so not that bad.
There's also the Bloodline Manifestion feat for Sorcerer and Bloodragers that gives an ability (they're all pretty cool, not just breath attacks or something) depending on what draconic bloodline you got.
Luthorne |
Rysky wrote:Scaled Fist goes off of CHA instead of WIS. Start gaining dragon immunities and can imbue their attacks with an element and gain a breath attack. Has rules for if you're playing a core monk or unchained version.So does this mean that Monk (Scaled Fist) 1/Sorcerer X is likely to become a popular multiclass combination?
It looks like Paizo has finally answered and improved on the Ascetic Mage feat from D&D 3.5.
Well, Monk/Sorcerer (Empyreal Sorcerer) was already a possible multiclass combination. This does offer more options when picking your sorcerer bloodline, though, might be interesting for a dragon disciple build...
...kind of wonder if it'll be a slightly less MAD way of getting into the champion of Irori prestige class...do they keep Still Mind?
Rysky |
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It's specifically a Drake (that has unique abilities that you can pick from).
Druid, Shaman, Cavalier, Ranger, and Paladin all have archetypes that can get one.
Importantly, Drake Companions do not count as Animal Companions for anything that affects Animal Companions and if your DC dies it SPECIFICALLY says you can't just get another as easily as you would an AC, you HAVE to get your's raised.
Alex Mack |
Rysky wrote:They do not.Ah, well. Probably more thematic for a champion of Apsu class, anyways, and will still probably have some decent synergy for monk/paladin (or tyrant antipaladin!).
You can combine this with the Irorian Paladin however. That should be pretty awesome :). And I think you can prolly even get CHA to AC twice this way.
Secret Wizard |
Luthorne wrote:You can combine this with the Irorian Paladin however. That should be pretty awesome :). And I think you can prolly even get CHA to AC twice this way.Rysky wrote:They do not.Ah, well. Probably more thematic for a champion of Apsu class, anyways, and will still probably have some decent synergy for monk/paladin (or tyrant antipaladin!).
El no stacko. Both are untyped bonuses.
Fourshadow |
They can be any non-good.
There's draconic ally which summons a Psuedodragon buffed up by a form of _ dragon spell and lasts 1 day per level.
Speaking of, we now have the Form of the Alien Dragon and form of the Exotic Dragon spell lines.
Knew that about the "Form of" spells, but thanks for the other note: That sounds absolutely AWESOME.
Sigh, still PDF-less here....
Poison Dusk |
Alex Mack wrote:El no stacko. Both are untyped bonuses.Luthorne wrote:You can combine this with the Irorian Paladin however. That should be pretty awesome :). And I think you can prolly even get CHA to AC twice this way.Rysky wrote:They do not.Ah, well. Probably more thematic for a champion of Apsu class, anyways, and will still probably have some decent synergy for monk/paladin (or tyrant antipaladin!).
As I understood it untyped bonuses from different sources stacked.
Ventnor |
Secret Wizard wrote:As I understood it untyped bonuses from different sources stacked.Alex Mack wrote:El no stacko. Both are untyped bonuses.Luthorne wrote:You can combine this with the Irorian Paladin however. That should be pretty awesome :). And I think you can prolly even get CHA to AC twice this way.Rysky wrote:They do not.Ah, well. Probably more thematic for a champion of Apsu class, anyways, and will still probably have some decent synergy for monk/paladin (or tyrant antipaladin!).
Not if they're using the same ability score, if I remember correctly.
Luthorne |
Secret Wizard wrote:As I understood it untyped bonuses from different sources stacked.Alex Mack wrote:El no stacko. Both are untyped bonuses.Luthorne wrote:You can combine this with the Irorian Paladin however. That should be pretty awesome :). And I think you can prolly even get CHA to AC twice this way.Rysky wrote:They do not.Ah, well. Probably more thematic for a champion of Apsu class, anyways, and will still probably have some decent synergy for monk/paladin (or tyrant antipaladin!).
Matrix Dragon |
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Thomas Seitz wrote:There's a few more, and Apsu themed one, a Dahak themed one, one that gives you a tail, and one that makes touch attacks resolves against your normal AC.Rysky,
So what no other spells listed?
That Touch Attacks vs normal AC spell is single handedly going to save dragons from firearm related extinction. All of my dragons are going to mysteriously have that on their spell list now, lol.
Entryhazard |
Entryhazard wrote:Rysky wrote:They can be any non-good.So how does it work for the Paladin archetype that gets one?Easy, don't pick an evil drake.
Non-good doesn't automatically mean evil.
While association is permitted, the paladin code goes more specific about underlings:
A paladin may accept only henchmen, followers, or cohorts who are lawful good.
I was figuring that a Drake being intelligent might count as such
Craig Tierney |
Rysky wrote:Entryhazard wrote:Rysky wrote:They can be any non-good.So how does it work for the Paladin archetype that gets one?Easy, don't pick an evil drake.
Non-good doesn't automatically mean evil.
While association is permitted, the paladin code goes a little more specific:
code wrote:I was figuring that a Drake being intelligent might count as such
A paladin may accept only henchmen, followers, or cohorts who are lawful good.
A paladin's mount is intelligent, and is TN, at least before level 11
Rysky |
Rysky wrote:Entryhazard wrote:Rysky wrote:They can be any non-good.So how does it work for the Paladin archetype that gets one?Easy, don't pick an evil drake.
Non-good doesn't automatically mean evil.
While association is permitted, the paladin code goes more specific about underlings:
code wrote:A paladin may accept only henchmen, followers, or cohorts who are lawful good.I was figuring that a Drake being intelligent might count as such
Correct, but a Drake Companion is none of those :3
Might possibly be an oversight of the Archetype's Creator though, but until then I'd say the Paladin can have a kinda-sorta-but-not-quite-animal-companion Drake Companion that's non-evil.
Rysky |
Rysky wrote:That Touch Attacks vs normal AC spell is single handedly going to save dragons from firearm related extinction. All of my dragons are going to mysteriously have that on their spell list now, lol.Thomas Seitz wrote:There's a few more, and Apsu themed one, a Dahak themed one, one that gives you a tail, and one that makes touch attacks resolves against your normal AC.Rysky,
So what no other spells listed?
It lasts for minutes but once it's activated it only lasts until the end of the Caster's next turn, but still, a definite preserving tactic vs firearms.
Entryhazard |
A paladin's mount is intelligent, and is TN, at least before level 11
It's never specified the Mount's alignment, and if I were to follow the ability's description (an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve her in her crusade against evil) it probably is more LG than TN.