To what measure is evil...(not an alignment argument)


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So I am developing a character who believes most fairy tales and stories are true. I am using this to compile a list of common evil story monsters and creatures. Young knights in training and children would know.
You got your basics dragons, undead, goblins, orcs, sadly my brain goes blank when thinking of monsters.

If it matters the character is a tiefling and naive enough to believe the base meaning of the quote "Killing equals honor". He is neutral good.


Now is where you will need to question the tale. Ill give you this simple example: The Unicorn; A horse with a horn, magically beautiful... but it feasts upon the flesh of the dead, a true monster. Elves are much the same, some saw them as savage and evil where others see them as graceful and hauntingly bdbeautiful.


Well the tales in question would be ones you'd expect to hear from knights who follow Ragathiel the empryeal lord. I'm imagining stereotypical valiant hero slays the dragon rescues the damsel . Very easily influenced to believe extremes.


The quote BTW is Glorion, the best paladin. A little YouTube series called journey quest.


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The quote sounds more like something from the Necromongers in the The Chronicles of Riddick than something a paladin would say. Regardless,

Trolls, giants, wolves (who huff and puff and blow houses down), evil sorcerers (may cause problems if the character doesn't accept that there are non-evil sorcerers) and all of the undead spring to mind as common villains.


Men with blue beards.

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Archae wrote:
So I am developing a character who believes most fairy tales and stories are true.

If you're running a game setting that's set in Midieval and modern day Earth, that background would be something.

But in a place like the Forgotten Realms, or Golarion... those stories are last Tuesday.


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A few more that I thought of, serious although I like the image of such a character warning the party to beware of wolves' breath attacks:

The frog people who steal little children (bogards).

Sirens who lure sailors to their deaths.

Naga who guard ancient treasures.

Drieder who infest the underearth.

Basilisks who can found among such realistic statues.

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CrescentCrux wrote:
Now is where you will need to question the tale. Ill give you this simple example: The Unicorn; A horse with a horn, magically beautiful... but it feasts upon the flesh of the dead, a true monster. Elves are much the same, some saw them as savage and evil where others see them as graceful and hauntingly bdbeautiful.

I feast on the flesh of the dead (organisms). I only eat the living when I feel the need for culture.


You know I wasn't aware unicorns were such savages beasts to be terrified of. BTW the character in question is mine I am a pc


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And I am a Mac


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And I am a Linux.


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*groan*


Archae wrote:

You know I wasn't aware unicorns were such savages beasts to be terrified of. BTW the character in question is mine I am a pc

There's a reason they still have the "only virgin girls can ride a unicorn" bit.

Its because unicorns would kill a man on sight by stabbing them through the heart with it's horn, while running away from women.

Much like what Twilight did to Vampires, and Disney did to Cinderella, the original tales were gruesome and horrible, and in no way appropriate for today's children. Heck, Little Red Riding Hood was originally a story about being raped (a wolf being standard slang for a rapacious man at the time). Ooh, add that to your lists, werewolves.

Odds are any fantasy creature you can name has origins too horrible to put on the Disney Channel.

Tinkerbell and the fairies? They were the same as will-o-wisps, mischievous fae that would dance about too and fro to enrapture the unwary viewer, all the while leading them into swamps to drown or into forests to never be seen again.

Pretty much anything that wasn't human wanted to kill you.


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Edymnion wrote:
Archae wrote:
Pretty much anything that wasn't human wanted to kill you.

So basically Australia.


Archae wrote:
The quote BTW is Glorion, the best paladin. A little YouTube series called journey quest.

(Pretty sure he's actually a fighter who thinks he's a paladin. He has no mystical powers whatsoever, however, and regularly engages in evil acts. Journey Quest is still an awesome series, and WHENWILLTHEYFINISHSEASONTHREEARG... not that I'm impatient or anything...) :D

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Edymnion wrote:
and Disney did to Cinderella,

... man, Ashpuddle was kind of a depressing story, wasn't it?

There were actually two different "Cinderella" stories in the Grimms, if I recall, and Ashpuddle was one. I don't remember which one ended with the magic tree-axe, or if I'm mixing that up with a different one altogether, but anyway, the point is, you guys should really read Jim C. Hines' books, as his fairytale princesses are pretty hardcore awesome.


Edymnion wrote:
Archae wrote:

You know I wasn't aware unicorns were such savages beasts to be terrified of. BTW the character in question is mine I am a pc

There's a reason they still have the "only virgin girls can ride a unicorn" bit.

Its because unicorns would kill a man on sight by stabbing them through the heart with it's horn, while running away from women.

Much like what Twilight did to Vampires, and Disney did to Cinderella, the original tales were gruesome and horrible, and in no way appropriate for today's children. Heck, Little Red Riding Hood was originally a story about being raped (a wolf being standard slang for a rapacious man at the time). Ooh, add that to your lists, werewolves.

Odds are any fantasy creature you can name has origins too horrible to put on the Disney Channel.

Tinkerbell and the fairies? They were the same as will-o-wisps, mischievous fae that would dance about too and fro to enrapture the unwary viewer, all the while leading them into swamps to drown or into forests to never be seen again.

Pretty much anything that wasn't human wanted to kill you.

The Fair Folk (Sidhe/Tuatha de Danann) in original Irish myth were particularly nasty. Many folktales of Irish heroes outwitting them were updated for the Christianized Ireland as having the antagonist simply be "the devil." And it's not a coincidence that both fey and demons are harmed by cold iron.

But again, Disneyfication.


Tacticslion wrote:
Archae wrote:
The quote BTW is Glorion, the best paladin. A little YouTube series called journey quest.

(Pretty sure he's actually a fighter who thinks he's a paladin. He has no mystical powers whatsoever, however, and regularly engages in evil acts. Journey Quest is still an awesome series, and WHENWILLTHEYFINISHSEASONTHREEARG... not that I'm impatient or anything...) :D

EDIT:

Edymnion wrote:
and Disney did to Cinderella,

... man, Ashpuddle was kind of a depressing story, wasn't it?

There were actually two different "Cinderella" stories in the Grimms, if I recall, and Ashpuddle was one. I don't remember which one ended with the magic tree-axe, or if I'm mixing that up with a different one altogether, but anyway, the point is, you guys should really read Jim C. Hines' books, as his fairytale princesses are pretty hardcore awesome.

Allerleirauh was another. Hell, anything from that point and click Fables game where you play as Bigby (not the Crushing Hand one) gets back to the Grimmdark roots of the source material.


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If you can find them, the books on folk tales and legends by Katherine M Briggs are an excellent source of these kind of stories.

As are the Arabian Nights stories too.

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