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Pathfinder Battles—Reign of Winter

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It has been a century since the immortal witch Baba Yaga last visited the world, and the hour draws nigh for her return. But when she fails to appear in the frozen realm of Irrisen to user in its newest ruler, pockets of winter begin to grow throughout the Inner Sea region. After 1,400 years of perpetual winter, the icy curse of Irrisen is spreading! Will the Reign of Winter engulf the world?

Reign of Winter is the latest 45-figure set release in the award-winning Pathfinder Battles line of miniatures from Paizo Publishing and WizKids Games! Reign of Winter features friends and foes from the Pathfinder Adventure Path of the same name, and is sure to please Pathfinder fans new and veteran alike!

Pathfinder Battles figures come in a variety of randomly assorted packaging options.

  • Reign of Winter Standard Boosters contain 1 Large figure and 3 Medium or Small figures
  • Reign of Winter Standard Bricks contain 8 Standard Boosters (32 figures total)
  • Reign of Winter Standard Cases contain 4 Standard Bricks (32 Standard Boosters, 128 figures total)
Purchasers should get no to very few duplicate figures in a brick. Buyers who purchase factory-sealed cases should get a nearly complete set of figures. (As with any randomized product, collation is not guaranteed.)

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Unimpressed

2/5 —

If I could do it all over again I would have bought the singles that I wanted the most. With so many poor minis it isn't with the gamble opening booster packs.

The worst set - still of medium usefulness!

3/5 —

Out of 44 minis i rated:
1 star: 4 minis,
2 stars: 8 minis,
3 stars: 15 minis,
4 stars: 8 minis,
5 stars: 9 minis!

I love the animals and don´t like half of the humans (none gets 5 stars).
About 10 creatures are almost exclusively usable for the Reign of Winter Adventure Path.
But there are some great minis.
If the worst of 9 Pathfinder sets gets 3 stars the line is extremely good.

A very disappointing set

1/5 —

If you're like me, you've never said the following sentence.

"Boy, I can't wait for the players to encounter the angry barn owls and goats in this adventure."

And that sums up what makes this a one-star set.

Incidentally, if you have said that sentence, most likely you should learn to read silently, but thank you for reading my review.

See, there are three questions I ask myself of any set of minis I'm interested in. Those three questions are:

1) How does the mini set look?
2) How useful is this set to my games?
3) Do the answers to 1 and 2 justify the price?

Let's answer those questions with regards to this set, shall we?

Question 1. Compared to Wizkids work on the other mini sets, this set looks mediocre at best. Few color contrasts and bright designs are available. The Russian soldiers look so bland, generic dollar store army guys would look better. The maftet are brown on brown on brown with no interesting contrasts. The various nosferatu tend to come off sloppy when they don't come off as grey on gray. Compared to the earlier, far more interesting elementals in, say, RotRL, the ice elementals and golems just look boring - blue plastic drybrushed with white. Faces are sloppy on most of the humanoids. Even the centaurs, one of the most useful models in the set, are dull brown-on-brown with a design that is uninspiring at best. General Malesinder, who should be a simply awesome model, comes off with such dull colors and such a staid color scheme that he's boring - and his model is a bipedal, sword-wielding, large dragon. He's just a grey lump with some cadet blue highlights. Yawn. At least he's not as boring as Rasputin, whose black coat, dark grey pants, dark beard, dark red clothing interior, and sloppy skin coloration make him absolutely a chore to look at. Feiya's face was a splattered mess of that terrible peach color which is supposed to be a skin tone. I had to look closely to see that the catoblepas actually incorporated two colors in its design. It is a flat brown with tusks and hooves highlighted with an unsaturated shade of tan. Needless to say, the effect is ugly and uninspiring. The Russian Soldier is dark grey and silver. The Russian Machine Gunner is dark grey and skin color. Both are eyesores. Finally, the warriors and named characters were so dull I'm having trouble remembering what they were called - and that says all you need to know about how forgettable they were.

There's just a dull, messy, boring aesthetic here coupled with a serious fall-off in quality from earlier sets. Really, the ice trolls were the only models that look pleasing to the eye. They're hands down the best in this set, which sadly would make them middle of the pack for the better sets like RotRL.

Now question 2 is where this set falls apart. Less molds are supposed to drive down costs, but this is still a four hundred dollar set with a subscript. Now, I am sympathetic to real world concerns, but I still want value. I want minis that I might use for something. The Russian Soldier and Russian Machine Gunner are not very useful to me, since I have no intention to run RoW, but they are an integral part of the adventure path and had to be there. What makes no sense is making me pay for goats. My case contained five each of foxes, owls, falcons, goats, and ravens. That's twenty five models I paid for that could be replaced with the barn animals from my local crafts store. That's twenty five models which could have been creatures from the adventure path, warriors, witches, skeletons - in short, twenty five models that are of almost no use in creating an adventure. Can I create an adventure where I use those minis? Sure, if I need to. Could they be familiars or shape-changed imps? Of course. Does that mean that what I look forward to when opening a case of fantasy figurines is a raven and a goat? Hell no. The decision to include those models is a blunder nearly as bad as not thinking through the color scheme of your models before beginning the run. I'm angry that I have now spent money to get those silly farm animal figurines.

Deciding to include these figures was a huge waste. Consider the male and female ice troll, the centaurs, even the ugly General Malesinder. Those models are useful. Nothing would stop me from using any of them in another game. Some models, such as the wollipeds, are of limited use. I might have to think about how or why such a creature might fit in designing an adventure. The barn animals are of almost no use, and I paid for them, and Paizo wants $3.50 for them as singles.

So question three: can I say this set was worth the four hundred I paid?

Not at all.

Reign of Winter Review: Super Long Edition

4/5 —

I finally received my Reign of Winter case.

For those who know me from the Weekly Previews of the Battles line, it's likely that you realize I'm somewhat easily pleased when it comes to miniature selection choice in each line. But if you look at my review of the Legends of Golarion Battles line, you'll also realize I'm not afraid to be scathing in my reviews of product in hand.

Before I start the actual review, I want to point out a couple things that others may not be aware of if you haven't been following along in the Weekly Previews:

--The drop from 55 down to 45 sculpts wasn't done by Erik on a whim. It was done to help keep overall costs low and affordable for the average buyer.

--The drop occurred somewhere in the middle of the Reign of Winter decision-making process. Originally there were 55 sculpts (or more) that had been decided on and approved, but Erik was then tasked with making some cuts.

--Out of every Adventure Path Paizo has produced, the Reign of Winter line is probably the most inopportune path for such cuts to have happened. The Adventure Path spans regions, planes, planets and even other eras of time.

--For months, many of us in the Weekly Previews had been begging for more animals. This included a desire for some aerial animals, too. While Erik can't please all the people all the time, he encourages feedback on what we'd like to see more of in sets. There are so many things that factor into what is ultimately chosen for a set, and for many of the other sets, animals simply wouldn't work.

--Early in the Reign of Winter Previews, Erik mentioned that there was a high concentration of animals in this set, in part because it was the first Adventure Path line they had done in awhile that he felt he could drop in more than one or two animals. This was a chance to give us aerial animals such as the Raven, Owl and Falcon, in addition to some ground creatures. Erik stated early in the Preview process that he could have easily added a handful more animals to this set, had the line been large enough. This was BEFORE the cut was made (or at least announced), so it’s reasonable to think there was an animal or two among the ten miniatures that were cut.

--Erik has stated that while he won't necessarily shy away from adding a relevant (to the Adventure Path) animal or two to future sets, this is likely the highest concentration of animals we'll be seeing in an Adventure Path for the near future. Somewhat similar comments were made about demons during the Wrath of the Righteous Previews, and the Reign of Winter line is completely devoid of such creatures.

--The very nature of Battle Lines that follow Adventure Paths are tricky. While part of the goal is to appeal to those that run these lines, a blind eye cannot be turned to all of those DM's that don't run the path. Instead, many of us prefer to buy these lines for the different monsters and cool-looking NPC/PC-types to add to our collection.

--The Wolliped. In every single Battles Line, Erik gets to choose one creature or character found somewhere throughout the Adventure Path that appeals to him. This is often a creature that looks unique and isn't as well known to most players or DM's that aren't as familiar with the source material. While the creature CAN play a major role in the line, there is no actual requirement that it does. In this particular case, the Wolliped is found on page 90 & 91 in the fourth book of the Reign of Winter Adventure Path (The Frozen Stars). For those uninitiated with the creature, I suggest looking into it. They can be used as animal companions for PC's, in extra bonus for certain PC's.

I wanted to get all of that out of the way first. While they aren't meant as excuses for any disappointment as far as miniature choices are concerned, I feel it's important to at least understand why some of the choices have been made.

For the purpose of this review, I've discounted entirely the actual selection of miniatures chosen for this set. When I was going through the source material before any previews had been shown, I came up with over 90 characters that would have made sense for this line. Add in the fact that Wizkids wanted changes made in the middle of the process, and I feel like the selections here are solid all around.

And finally, one last issue of note. This is for those who are generally unhappy with the amount of animals in this set. Or perhaps those that would like to see more of a certain creature or type in future sets. Please come join the conversations we have in the Weekly Previews thread every Friday. The best way to get what you want is to have your voice heard. And in this case, one of the best places to do that is in the aforementioned thread. We've been discussing how best to incorporate iconic fantasy creatures of Tiny or smaller stature, such as Tiny Fey, into the Battles Line. (These present a challenge from a logistics point of view). We've also been discussing how best to include Huge-sized creatures as future product, and which creatures of said size make the most sense to make. There have been some requests for more Fey, more Plant creatures, etc. Maybe you want to participate in these discussions, or perhaps you feel there is a particular creature or NPC/PC that screams “MAKE ME A MINIATURE”. Regardless, please come join us…we’re all good people and love a good conversation and healthy debate.

Now on to the actual review:

No Battles Line review is complete without first commenting on the faces of Medium-size Humanoids in the line. It seems to be Wizkids/Paizo's kryptonite. These issues have been pretty well documented for the last few Battles lines, and there is a major issue in this release, too.

--Feiya, the Iconic Witch, has a horrible face. Others have commented, so I won’t get into it.

--Russian Machine Gunner - Yikes. This soldier's face is WRECKED. I received five of these in my case, and on every single miniature, the face is HORRIBLE. Between being applied on wrong areas of the sculpt or simply suffering from major smudge issues, all these faces are horribly, horribly done.

Between these two miniatures, I have to knock off a star.

Now here are some standouts:

Small size Miniatures:

--Owl – While I perhaps understand some of the less than enthusiastic reactions to the amount of animals found in the Reign of Winter line, I don’t think it should taint the review of the actual miniatures themselves. In truth, all the small animals are well done. If you’re buying piecemeal, buy with confidence. The owl is perhaps the best, but maybe only because there were a few more patterns to paint on him than the other animals, yet they still got him right. I find it fascinating that on a common miniature of small size, they were able to correctly detail and paint the underside of the feathers, giving the creature a feel of true authenticity and added depth. And don’t forget, Owls generally operate during the night, so this adds extra versatility to any night encounters your party will face.

--Raven – At first glance one might not consider this miniature anything special. Except for the beak, it’s all black, as most ravens tend to be. But if you look at it closely, you’ll realize that much like the Owl, there is clear depth shown along his feather line. Also, this Raven is not only the smallest of the animals in the Reign of Winter line, but he is of Tiny size. This means he matches up with his size description in the Familiar section of the first Bestiary. Ravens appear everywhere in fantasy, and the Reign of Winter path is no exception.

--Falcon – Perhaps the simplest of the three small aerial animals in this set, the falcon is still well done. Like the other birds, there is clear definition of feathers along his wings. One nice thing about this miniature is that because it’s basically just one color, and you get a few in a case, it’s easy to paint into a Hawk or some other big bird familiar/companion that better suits your need. Having a bird stretched wing-to-wing in a flying pose that can represent either type is extremely nice to have for the gaming table.

--Fox – I was worried about the fox. I was so unhappy with the shoddy work on the Snow Leopard from the Legends of Golarion set that it had me nervous for this fox miniature. As it turns out, I shouldn’t have worried. The fox is very well done for a common miniature. The facial features are great, and there is a distinct white underbelly, as found on most foxes. Perhaps the best part of the miniature and the most underrated aspect are the ears. The back of the ear is the same reddish-orange hue of hair that covers most of the fox. But the front part of the ear shows the white tufts with a very thin border of black. When set down on the table, the black provides enough contrast to pull the eye towards the face.

--Goblin Alchemist – Paizo has forced me into liking Goblins, and now I’m a sucker for them. After seeing this guy in the Reign of Winter Adventure Path, I realized there was no way that beautiful artwork would go unnoticed by Erik. He didn’t let me down, and this product in hand doesn’t, either. There is plenty going on here for such a little guy. My favorite thing is that his face maintains the unique Pathfinder Goblin look, while the skin color matches that of the Snow Goblins.

Medium size miniatures:

--Pale Tower Guard – I think I’ve seen some negative comments about this figure. I’m not sure why, as I feel like he’s the best-looking guard to date in the entire Paizo line of miniatures. There is clear definition to his armor, and the colors on my pieces haven’t bled into one another or anything. The crossbow on his back is great, and the big tower shield in his left hand is very nice. His faceplate is fine, and his two eyes are very discernable, if you’re looking at him for that purpose. For my table, he’ll likely serve as the go-to tower guard for any campaign. This guy is no Knight of Ozem or Eagle Knight Officer.

--Commander Pharamol – One of my favorite pieces in the entire set. There is a lot going on with this guy, but the detail—both sculpt and paint—do his illustration justice. Perhaps using him as a Triaxian isn’t your cup of tea. But he’s so well done and can easily pass as a catfolk ranger or something along those lines. His face is well done, and there is no paint overlap anywhere on the piece I received.

--Ratibor The Bold – I’ve seen a couple knocks on him, but every version I received in my case was just fine. His beard is fine and isn’t smeared all over his face. His eyes are accountable and aren’t too far apart. The body of this medium miniature is very well done, and there is no paint smear or overlap as a result of the various items on his belt. His shield doesn’t have any design on it, so perhaps that will bother you, perhaps not. I don’t mind a shield design when well done, but I like having a miniature without an insignia on the shield, so I can use him for more generic purposes in my campaign. In addition to the axe in his hand, this guy has a bow on his back and a quiver of arrows on his side, so you know he’s ready to fight. Buy this guy with confidence and don’t look back.

--Winter Guard Falconer – This character meets my expectations. I was worried he’d be too much to fit on one medium, non-rare figure. He’s not, as his miniature proves. The body of the miniature, including his gear is well done. The face and helmet look good, and I have no problem with his facial hair. If he has one weakness to him, it would be the falcon perched on his arm guard. It doesn’t look horrible or even bad, just not as well detailed as the stand-alone falcon miniature. Put simply, the falcon is no less detailed than the cat that accompanied one of the feamale pieces a few lines back.

--Dragon Legion Dragonrider – This guy makes for a fine soldier NPC or a possible PC piece. He’s a Triaxian, so despite his humanoid shape, his face is more blue-ish/fur-like. Everything about him is well detailed, including the face. His helmet covers a decent part of the outside of his face, but the rest of his face is clear. Unless you look closely, his mouth is a bit hard to make out. However, there is clear definition to be seen there, it’s just all one color. His armor is fine, and there is no overlap of paint anywhere on the pieces I received. If you’re looking to build up a race of Triaxian, or perhaps name them something else in your own campaign, this guy is a great place to start.

--Drakelands Barbarian – This is another of my favorite pieces in the entire line. She’s definitely one of my favorite miniatures. I’ve received a handful of this girl, and there are no imperfections anywhere on any of the pieces I received. Her armor is clearly defined and well painted. Her shield is well done and you can see the grooves in it that make it look like a wooden shield. Her sword is straight and not bendy. Her cloak is phenomenally done. The quiver on her back is evident, despite sharing the same color (but not texture) of her cloak. Her gloves match well with the purple tunic. If you look close enough you can clearly see how the tunic would be underneath her armor. Her face is sculpted nicely and you can clearly see her teeth. If you’re looking for a proxy for a catfolk barbarian, then look no further. I suppose she might even pass for a female barbarian, if you don’t focus on her for too long. I will say that when combined with the other Triaxians in this line, a DM can put together a solid encounter group of a unique type of humanoid for his or her campaign.

--Cesseer of Ning – I’ve seen a few complaints about this piece, but I don’t remember why. The piece I got has no paint issues, and her sculpt is very well done. She obviously works as a Triaxian monk, but can easily pass as a catfolk rogue. While I typically like my PC’s and NPC’s grounded, this works well for anyone that likes action poses. As one should expect, the detail on this piece is great, and you can clearly see the individual lines of her wrappings. There isn’t much else to say, though she’ll be a fine addition to your Triaxian encounter group. Buy her with confidence.

Large size Miniatures:

--Trolls – Both the male and female are absurdly well done, both in detail and paint job. I haven’t had any issues with them, although I’ve seen a few complaints of paint overlap from other people. Still, I received four or five of each in my case, and I didn’t have a single issue. I’m a huge fan of trolls, and these frost trolls are no exception. If you’re buying what you need piecemeal and you like Frost Trolls, then don’t pass on either of these.

--Catoblepas – This creature is excellent. His sculpt is well done and the paint job, while basically just a couple colors, is well applied. You can see the muscles in his body, and his mane is fantastic. His face is surprisingly great. His tusks are well done. I’m pretty sure this is the first Catoblepas in PPM form, and he does not disappoint.

--Wolliped – Whether or not you’re glad they included this creature in the set or not, it’s a well-made miniature. He’s a big, solid piece of plastic, much like the Catoblepas. This gives him that feel that he’s a big, strong creature capable of surviving any artic area.

--Winter Wolf – Another of my favorites in this set, I finally have a winter wolf that I like more than those found in previous lines from other companies. His mane is great, and the fierceness of his face makes it clear he is a creature to be reckoned with.

The four Rare Large sized miniatures are all great, and definitely worth the purchase.

Disappointing set

2/5 —

I'm surprised the other reviewers have ranked this set so highly. To me, it feels like the line is getting tired. No doubt exacerbated by the inherent problems of working with licensees, I'm starting to experience a certain sense of deja vu when Erik posts that he's "working with Wizkids to iron out the problems - the next set is going to be awesome..." (or words to that effect).

The paintjobs continue to be sloppy, the number of sculpts has dropped significantly and there were a whole bunch of combat-useful figures omitted so that goats, crows, foxes and owls could be included. It's nice to have those, but not four or five of each at the expense of miniatures with far more utility. I can now plot out a nice farmyard scene but what's the point? The location of each animal is hardly going to be important.

I wouldnt recommend this set to anyone who wasnt an avid collector. I think it would make a poor first impression. Far better to just get a few of the single minis (several of them are quite good - it's the set overall which I found disappointing).

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OK, my sincere apologies!

But every time I've searched this site for figs. I have failed to find that option. I must be blind! Will check again.
Having not been mentioned so far, in this thread, I didn't know the option was there.

Thanks for the heads up guys!

And sorry for misleading the community....Face palm! :/

:)

Heh. I hardly think anything you wrote requires an apology.

Heres a decent place to start looking.

Depending on your preferences, I believe there are a number of sites around with lower prices. Personally, I prefer keeping my purchases in one place, but I've heard that there are some bargains around.
Pathfinder Maps Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Got my case last night. Based on the reports here, I was expecting the issue with Feiya, and sure enough, mine is fairly dreadful. She has a big blob of black under her nose down to her neck - I'm calling her the Bearded Lady.

One thing I noticed that I think may be worth some attention - my Feiya has no chin, and the overall shape of her face/neck area is lacking definition. Seriously, below her nose, she slopes straight down to her neck, no mouth or chin could possibly be sculpted there. It makes fixing her myself pretty much impossible - I'm not a good enough painter to come up with something on a mis-shaped surface.

The same sort of issue happened with my King Irovetti from an earlier set - his entire face was a smooth surface, no sculpted features whatsoever. At the time I assumed they'd plastered on so much paint that they'd filled in the gaps, but with Feiya's missing mouth and chin, it makes me wonder if the problem isn't that they are having trouble getting plastic into the tiny bits in the molds - literally giving no detail to be accurately painted.

Just an observation I wanted to share, in case you (Vic et.al.) want to examine your larger sample size (and compare to a "good" Feiya) for the possibility. It might mean you want to reconsider how some of the faces are sculpted, to give the details enough size to come through the mold.

In the meantime I should also add - the entire rest of the case was Amazing! No breakages at all, thanks to the new bubble-wrap (and placement of the smaller figs) packing. And the quality of the sculpts and painting was generally quite good. I can't say enough about how amazing the Nazenha mini looks - truly spectacular sculpt and paint! So with just one mini to complain about, I'd have to conclude that this set well exceeded my expectations overall.
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AJAG wrote:

OK, my sincere apologies!

But every time I've searched this site for figs. I have failed to find that option. I must be blind! Will check again.
Having not been mentioned so far, in this thread, I didn't know the option was there.

Thanks for the heads up guys!

And sorry for misleading the community....Face palm! :/

:)

I have seen it take up to a week for Paizo's website to have the singles for a set. They have to have time to open cases that they ordered for this purpose and catalog the singles in the cases they opened.

This is my understanding of things and in no way represents an official explanation.
Webstore Gninja Minion
graywulfe wrote:
AJAG wrote:

OK, my sincere apologies!

But every time I've searched this site for figs. I have failed to find that option. I must be blind! Will check again.
Having not been mentioned so far, in this thread, I didn't know the option was there.

Thanks for the heads up guys!

And sorry for misleading the community....Face palm! :/

:)

I have seen it take up to a week for Paizo's website to have the singles for a set. They have to have time to open cases that they ordered for this purpose and catalog the singles in the cases they opened.

This is my understanding of things and in no way represents an official explanation.

All of our Pathfinder Battles singles are available here, and we do our best to have them available on the street date for the set.

I do have to say the reduction is models down to 45 seriously reduced the money I shelled out for mini's with this set. Normally I buy 2 bricks and then go to the mini market and pick up any more that I want which usually is around 15 more mini's.

This time I bought 1 brick and there were only 10 minis out there on the singles market that I wanted and I pretty much have a full set.

It seems to me that reducing the models also will reduce sales. Which seems like a catch-22 since the sets were reduced from 55 to 45 models because of lower then expected sales. I know there is a manufacturing cost reduction with less models but their will also be a coinciding sales reduction.

Yes, I have done the same in reducing the minis I bought, although I've gone down from two cases to one.
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You know, I've had the Rise of the Runelords case bundle plus the rune giant mini in my shopping cart for about a week and nearly spent the $600+ for it all. But that quality assurance gnome sitting on my shoulder where he always does told me to look around the forums to see what you fine folks have shared about the quality of them.

Right now, I'm glad I didn't buy them. I'm going to remove them from my cart and consider the pawns or another alternative. I love minis but will NOT spend my money for the quality of these things.

So, thank you all for bringing up the quality so I can be informed. I always do my due diligence and here it paid off.
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Actually, the RotRL set, including the Rune Giant, is a great set. I don’t remember any issues in regards to QC at all for this set.

It’s your call, obviously, but you would be passing up one of the best sets that have been released.

Edit: I can only speak for my miniatures, of course. But I bought two cases of RotRL and I believe I only received one broken mini. And I don’t remember any horrible paint jobs like that have cropped up more recently. IMO, there was actually a lot of wonderful paint jobs in RotRL.

Yeah, rotrl was much better received wrt paintjobs (and they didn't use so many "pegs" so there weren't so many breakages). I'd make the call on a set-by-set basis, if I were you.
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Liz Courts wrote:
graywulfe wrote:
AJAG wrote:

OK, my sincere apologies!

But every time I've searched this site for figs. I have failed to find that option. I must be blind! Will check again.
Having not been mentioned so far, in this thread, I didn't know the option was there.

Thanks for the heads up guys!

And sorry for misleading the community....Face palm! :/

:)

I have seen it take up to a week for Paizo's website to have the singles for a set. They have to have time to open cases that they ordered for this purpose and catalog the singles in the cases they opened.

This is my understanding of things and in no way represents an official explanation.

All of our Pathfinder Battles singles are available here, and we do our best to have them available on the street date for the set.

Just to be clear I was not being critical. I was trying to suggest patience. Thank you for the clarification.

Sovereign Court Owner - Enchanted Grounds, President/Owner - Enchanted Grounds

Quality control seems to have been punted, once again. I have left my thoughts in a review here.

I really wish Wizkids would get their s@%* together and stop turning out such terrible paint jobs on such interesting miniatures. And I really wish Paizo would realize that action poses are an integral part of a miniature's look on a playing surface. Bored, static poses make a mini completely uninteresting when used in a combat game.

Has anyone ever corresponded with WizKids (email) on their stipulations in regards to what can be exchanged? I think we can all agree that the bad Feiya minis are exchangeable, but what about Nazenha's 'clown face' (lips stretched from side to side) or Queen Elvana's misplaced lips and eyes?

I know many will say "just touch those up and you should be fine". But I'll be honest, I am not really a miniature painter and I buy these so I don't 'have' to paint them.

For those who have dealt with WizKids, will they exchange extremely bad paint job minis? And my concern is they exchange it with the same paint job, how do you assure that doesn't happen?

And this question goes to Paizo, but when you open your cases up to sell your singles, do you pick out those miniatures with the really bad paint jobs/molds?

Like if you sell a Queen Ileosa (Legends of Golarian) I assume you get rid of the ones where her face is one big bubbly mess? And the same will apply with Feiya, you only sell the 'good' Feiyas?
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Hobbun wrote:
I know many will say "just touch those up and you should be fine". But I'll be honest, I am not really a miniature painter and I buy these so I don't 'have' to paint them.

This. I have zero artistic talent. I doubt I could do as good as the 'bad' Feiya. Telling me to "touch things up" is telling me to make them worse.

I have now received and opened my set. My comments:

1. Overall, the sculpts are again exceptional. (Except for Feiya's face which had no detail on it, other than a slight hump where her nose should be.)

2. The paint jobs (as many has mentioned) are the worst I have seen yet. Many of my bases have a lot of over-paint and dry-brushing on them, and a few messy globs of glue where figures were mounted to the base. My Feiya is pretty much the same as those mentioned above in this post. It is really aweful to look at. Sadly, I think the sculpt is mostly to blame. It is hard for the painter to give good detail to the eyes, nose and mouth, when they do no exist on the sculpt. That said, a reasonable effort should have been made to paint on a face. My Feiya's mouth is painted on her neck. The sloppy paint jobs appear on many of the minis (even the ice elementals which only have 2 colors -- clearly they need to practice their dry-brushing techniques.)

3. The flesh washes applied to the human characters was horrible! WizKids took a step back about 10 years, to when they applied a rusty-brown colored wash to their Mage Knight figures which made them look cheap. They used the same wash now and it does not blend well with the flesh colors used, and it didn't settle into the low areas like it should. Instead my figures have splotchy faces which makes them appear to be diseased, rotting or sun-burnt. As much as I appreciate the use of washes on these figures (something almost unheard of for the D&D line), in this case I would have preferred that no wash was used, rather than the haphazardly executed flesh washes these minis received.

4. Packaging-wise, the way these were packed did seem to work. I only received 1 broken mini - which was an eagle which had sheered off where the flight stand meets the base. Given how many of these minis were on flight stands and so little breakage I received, it appears that just wrapping the minis in bubble wrap and randomly putting them in the with the large mini package does seem to work. (Although oddly enough, I had 1 box where all the minis were wrapped in just plastic bags -- I guess they ran out of bubble wrap, or someone didn't get the memo). The down side of sticking these in bubble wrap, is that every mini which was holding a weapon has that weapon bent, warped and twisted. I'm not thrilled by this, but a broken weapon disappoints me more than a bent weapon.

Overall, from a collector's point of view I do really like the variety of miniatures in the set. From a GM's point of, I really don't see me using many of these minis, however when buying an Adventure Path themed set, I really can't be critical of this aspect. Of course, if I ever do run RoW, I'm sure I'll be very happy to have purchased this set. If they can just get the sloppy painting addressed for future sets, I will continue to be a happy customer :)

I had the same couple boxes with basic plastic bags. My only breakage with the falcon was in bubble wrap. I do like this packing method better even despite bendy swords.
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AJAG wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
The randomization model is not about marketing, and it's not chosen because it's awesome—it's chosen because it's necessary. One of our other customers wrote up a pretty solid explanation of why it's necessary here. I hope you find it enlightening.

Many thanks for your quick response Vic.

Not arguing, just saying...Whilst you say "it's necessary", I believe there is nothing prohibiting you to offer a complete set of any given line of figures, except for the cost to the customer.

Pricing is a big deal. While you may be willing to spend $350 for a full set, if you look at the early reaction to the Pathfinder Battles line, there was as much discussion of the "high price" as there was about the randomization. When I say "it's necessary," I mean that doing otherwise would be cost prohibitive.

AJAG wrote:
If there were a pricing model, that absolutely guaranteed "at least" one of each figure or "only one" of each figure, I am sure many would make that purchase, whatever the price may be.

We require WizKids to do their best to ensure that each sealed Pathfinder Battles case contains a complete set of minis—we've been insistent about that since day 1. Because human error is possible, though, they can't *guarantee* it, but if you look at people's case reports online, you'll find that they meet that goal with very few exceptions.

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Finally got my case.

The good:

Some of the sculpts are really great. I particularly love the Male and Female Ice Trolls. Most of the rares have great paint jobs, the only exception being Feiya (though mine isn't as bad as the picture posted above). No real complaints from my end on the quality of the actual minis I received.

The bad:

Too many animals for my taste. I voiced my frustration when the Wolliped was revealed, as it's not even a creature you fight in the AP. My frustration was compounded when I got 4 of them... 4 Falcons, 4 Foxes, 4 Ravens, 4 Owls, 4 Goats, 4 Giant Weasels... I don't know what I'm going to do with all of these. I sure would have liked more interesting creatures that are actually in the AP.

Final Thoughts:

So many cool minis we missed out on. Hydra, Dracolisk, a number of different fey, Baba Yaga's Hut, etc... I feel that despite the actual quality in the minis I received, I am left disappointed because of the choices of what minis made it into the set. It doesn't help that I feel robbed of at least 10 more sculpts.
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Like in my Review of the Product associate my view with Curmudgeonly.

I got myself some "cheapy" Ikea cabinet showcases for the miniatures.

The WOTR Set looks marvelous...all these different Figures and all look amazing.
When i look at the ROW showcase right next to it i have a full board of Wollipeds and giant Weasels :)...it would be nice if like Cumudgeonly said the Monsters or Figures from the Cases or sets would be linkable to the AP.

I have not played the AP but had a look at the Pawns and don't find, except for the iconic/rare Characters much that resembles the figures from the Set.

I understand that the number of different Figures was cut down but what am i supposed to do with an army of Goats accompanied by 4 Catoblepas figures.

I can only link myself to the opinion that the sets should more align with the AP.
Curmudgeonly wrote:

Finally got my case.

The good:

Some of the sculpts are really great. I particularly love the Male and Female Ice Trolls. Most of the rares have great paint jobs, the only exception being Feiya (though mine isn't as bad as the picture posted above). No real complaints from my end on the quality of the actual minis I received.

The bad:

Too many animals for my taste. I voiced my frustration when the Wolliped was revealed, as it's not even a creature you fight in the AP. My frustration was compounded when I got 4 of them... 4 Falcons, 4 Foxes, 4 Ravens, 4 Owls, 4 Goats, 4 Giant Weasels... I don't know what I'm going to do with all of these. I sure would have liked more interesting creatures that are actually in the AP.

Final Thoughts:

So many cool minis we missed out on. Hydra, Dracolisk, a number of different fey, Baba Yaga's Hut, etc... I feel that despite the actual quality in the minis I received, I am left disappointed because of the choices of what minis made it into the set. It doesn't help that I feel robbed of at least 10 more sculpts.

I feel very similarly.

Feiya was within my tolerance range and most figures were pretty good, but the reduction in number of sculpts really has me wondering why I'm subscribing. Buying two bricks and the three or four missing rares seems like the obvious thing to do. Even then, it feels like I'm missing out on something.
Steve Geddes wrote:


Feiya was within my tolerance range and most figures were pretty good, but the reduction in number of sculpts really has me wondering why I'm subscribing. Buying two bricks and the three or four missing rares seems like the obvious thing to do. Even then, it feels like I'm missing out on something.

Well, to be fair, the price is much cheaper now if you subscribe. But I do understand in wanting more sculpts.

I am interested to hear the results of Erik’s encouraging meetings with WizKids on the paint job issues. I just hope the resolution that was proposed is something that is consistent. Not like where WotR improved greatly after LoG problems, but then issues cropped up again with RoW.

The paint jobs are usually good to stunning, but there have still been too many that are bad, and more rarely, really bad (Feiya, Queen Ileosa to name a couple). I am ok with the less sculpts if it means that each one that went through was in, at the least, that ‘good’ quality.

I think the pricing change is a paizo subscription policy rather than related to the reduced number of sculpts. The retail price per figure hasn't changed, has it?

Getting half a dozen owls/goats/ravens/etc is just a bit of a letdown for me - especially when I used to get a larger spread. If it weren't for Internet shopping paranoia, I'd probably get the figures elsewhere via two bricks and a few singles. The promo figures (which have all been excellent) are the main thing keeping me subscribed to a full case now.

Well, I don’t think the change in the subscription price is a direct result of the lessening sculpts, but the price difference is still there either way.

As for too many animals, I guess it doesn’t bother me too much. In our home campaigns, I don’t know how many times we’ve found situations where it would be nice to have an animal represented. And now, there is a good selection of them to do so. But then we use miniatures a lot, and not only for combat, so I can see why the animals would be more useful for us.

That said, I would like to have more sculpts as well, but I am more concerned about getting consistent, good quality paint jobs/sculpts for all the minis. Quality over quantity.
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I'm fine with the set size dropping to 45 figures, but don't think that I would like to see it drop any further without changing the booster/brick/case size, price and format.

If I recall correctly, Erik said that the reduction in sculpts was partly for WizKids to control costs. I'd rather see that, and keep booster prices the same, than have everything jump in price. It was already hard to justify buying a case of each set when I've got plenty of minis, and was able to play just fine without them in the first place. If their having to pay for less sculpts keeps them from raising prices, I am fine with that.

We're still getting the same amount of minis in a case, and with Paizo's subscription prices we're getting them cheaper. And if Paizo chooses the figures right, I like the amount of commons and uncommons we're getting with this set.
Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens Subscriber

@Armac,

Yes, I'm fine with the number of common / uncommon minis we are getting. My frustration is that for this set, those minis are all animals, and most have little or nothing to do with the AP.

This sentiment gets compounded when the set was originally announced as 55 sculpts. I would be ok with this many animal sculpts if we had received 10 additional cool monsters from the AP. I just can't help feeling frustrated by how cool this set COULD have been.

I hope Paizo takes this feedback to heart.

And this may lead Paizo to make generic sets more frequently (like Legends of Golarion or Lost Coast), which is totally fine. They can make an animal set, or a devil set or an NPC set, and I will have proper expectations on what it will contains as it's not tied to anything.

Just if you are going to name a set after an AP, I will expect monsters from that AP.
Curmudgeonly wrote:
Just if you are going to name a set after an AP, I will expect monsters from that AP.

Aside from the "Eric's choice" Wolliped and the Iconics (if we consider the fox to be in this group), I believe every single creature in the set actually appears in the AP.

It seems to me that they switched from 55 sculpts to 45 sculpts mid-stream in the design of this set and this caused a poorly picked choices for common sculpts. I personally would have loved to have seen more fey sculpts from book 1, 2 & 3 of the AP. If I recall correctly there is only 1 fey in the entire set. I also would have liked to seen a few more snow goblin sculpts.
roysier wrote:
If I recall correctly there is only 1 fey in the entire set.

2, but I would have liked more fey as well.

Sovereign Court
Curmudgeonly wrote:
Yes, I'm fine with the number of common / uncommon minis we are getting. My frustration is that for this set, those minis are all animals, and most have little or nothing to do with the AP.

Agreed, which is why I said they need to choose the figures right.

Quote:
This sentiment gets compounded when the set was originally announced as 55 sculpts. I would be ok with this many animal sculpts if we had received 10 additional cool monsters from the AP. I just can't help feeling frustrated by how cool this set COULD have been.

Agreed here as well. I think that the animals might have been planned before the sculpts were reduced, and had things been known before the set was planned we might have had fewer animals.

Quote:
I hope Paizo takes this feedback to heart.

I think they will.

I bought a Feiya single direct from Paizo hoping that they might check them before shipping them, but sadly her face was just as melted with the silly smiley face as the one from my case. Not that you should have to repaint or fix any minis that cost nearly $400 for a set, but even if I wanted to I couldn't because there is no detail left to her face.

When did you order the Feiya figure, Brell? I’m hoping it was just an oversight and now that Paizo has alerted to the issues with Feiya, hopefully they are pulling the unacceptable singles for sale.

If I were you, I would contact Paizo and tell them of the situation and I’m pretty certain they will send you a (non-melted) figure (since you purchased it from them). You just may need to email a photo showing the bad Feiya.

Erik,

Could you please confirm at what mini number the Uncommon's start. Based on the 3 case reports I have seen, I am suspect that the Faun #14 is the start of the Uncommons. Could you (or another "Paizoee") please confirm.

Thanks.

So where do we stand? Earlier in the thread Vic mentioned that missing limbs shouldn't make it past quality control. Actually before I continue I'm REALLY impressed with Paizo staff's responses in this thread. Seriously, you guys are amazing for being up front and communicating directly to your fans/customers.

Getting back on track, I've got a Knight of Ozum here missing an arm, which sucks because unlike my other mini that was just broken off of the base, I can't glue it back on because the arm is AWOL.

I put in for a replacement on WizKids' website four months and all I've gotten back from them is their weekly spam newsletter.

So what now? Assuming the meeting with them went really well, what's next? More importantly, is there that realistically can be done?
Sczarni
952 wrote:

Getting back on track, I've got a Knight of Ozum here missing an arm, which sucks because unlike my other mini that was just broken off of the base, I can't glue it back on because the arm is AWOL.

I put in for a replacement on WizKids' website four months and all I've gotten back from them is their weekly spam newsletter.

It doesn't sound like you finished the replacement process. you need to ship the broken mini to them, and they replace it with another of the same rarity

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Cpt_kirstov wrote:
It doesn't sound like you finished the replacement process. you need to ship the broken mini to them, and they replace it with another of the same rarity

Wait - what! They don't even provide you with a replacement of the same mini you sent them???

Bad enough that you have to pay the shipping back, so that for any but the most rare figures, you're better off putting that money into buying a replacement rather than making them correct their quality issues. But with "another of the same rarity," assuming you get the predominent perfect distribution in your case, you have exactly one of each rare, send them your one and only Feiya, and get - something rare. Wow!

Really makes me wonder why Paizo is partnering with them... They're not up to Paizo's standards for customer service. They're not in shouting distance. Frankly, they're not even on the same planet.
Cpt_kirstov wrote:

It doesn't sound like you finished the replacement process. you need to ship the broken mini to them, and they replace it with another of the same rarity

Oddly enough it was just an online form that said that if it was under six minis being replaced we didn't need to mail it in. Or something, it was four months ago, but I'll head over again. If the policy is that I get a random of the same rarity, then I'm still dissatisfied. I LIKE the Knight of Ozum. She's kinda awesome.

Regardless, thanks for the heads up.
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Cintra Bristol wrote:
Cpt_kirstov wrote:
It doesn't sound like you finished the replacement process. you need to ship the broken mini to them, and they replace it with another of the same rarity

Wait - what! They don't even provide you with a replacement of the same mini you sent them???

Bad enough that you have to pay the shipping back, so that for any but the most rare figures, you're better off putting that money into buying a replacement rather than making them correct their quality issues. But with "another of the same rarity," assuming you get the predominent perfect distribution in your case, you have exactly one of each rare, send them your one and only Feiya, and get - something rare. Wow!

Really makes me wonder why Paizo is partnering with them... They're not up to Paizo's standards for customer service. They're not in shouting distance. Frankly, they're not even on the same planet.

It's a case of not being able to guarantee getting the replacement - they'll give you a Feiya, until they run out of Feiyas and then they'll move to other rares

Enlight_Bystand wrote:


It's a case of not being able to guarantee getting the replacement - they'll give you a Feiya, until they run out of Feiyas and then they'll move to other rares

And my question above (about a week ago) remains the same:

Hobbun wrote:

Has anyone ever corresponded with WizKids (email) on their stipulations in regards to what can be exchanged? I think we can all agree that the bad Feiya minis are exchangeable, but what about Nazenha's 'clown face' (lips stretched from side to side) or Queen Elvana's misplaced lips and eyes?

For those who have dealt with WizKids, will they exchange extremely bad paint job minis? And my concern is they exchange it with the same paint job, how do you assure that doesn't happen?

Are those minis considered 'broken' or 'defective' and therefore replaceable?

I would say so, but WizKids may not view bad paint jobs as a defective mini.
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I also got a derp Feiya, in case Vic & Co. are collecting data from this thread.
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I guess I should pipe up as having received a bad faced Feiya and a Wolliped with the tail broken off, for data collection purposes. Perhaps I will head over to Wizkids site to see what can be done.
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Brell Stormforge wrote:
I bought a Feiya single direct from Paizo hoping that they might check them before shipping them, but sadly her face was just as melted with the silly smiley face as the one from my case. Not that you should have to repaint or fix any minis that cost nearly $400 for a set, but even if I wanted to I couldn't because there is no detail left to her face.

We did ship out several single Feiya miniatures before we pulled the rest of our stock. I am not 100% sure what our plans are regarding singles replacements for this miniature, but I am sure that we will let folks know once we have a plan in place. :)

Liz Courts wrote:
Brell Stormforge wrote:
I bought a Feiya single direct from Paizo hoping that they might check them before shipping them, but sadly her face was just as melted with the silly smiley face as the one from my case. Not that you should have to repaint or fix any minis that cost nearly $400 for a set, but even if I wanted to I couldn't because there is no detail left to her face.
We did ship out several single Feiya miniatures before we pulled the rest of our stock. I am not 100% sure what our plans are regarding singles replacements for this miniature, but I am sure that we will let folks know once we have a plan in place. :)

Thanks for the info Liz. I had her and a handful of others in my shopping cart, waiting for a couple other items to make a single transaction, then noticed she's out of stock. I'd love to buy one, but given the QC issues it's best she's pulled (at least for now).

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Erik's talks with WizKids at Origins did bear fruit. We need firm details before we say anything specific, though. (You'll read about it in the Paizo blog first.)
Vic Wertz wrote:
Erik's talks with WizKids at Origins did bear fruit. We need firm details before we say anything specific, though. (You'll read about it in the Paizo blog first.)

I hope wizkids does the right thing this time. In one of the previous mini expansions they said they would replace faulty minis, but you had to pay to ship your bad minis to wizkids and then pay for the shipping of the replacement minis. After which you would have paid more in shipping than you would if you just bought replacement minis and the faulty minis. Was quite the dirty deal on their part.

Sczarni
952 wrote:
Cpt_kirstov wrote:

It doesn't sound like you finished the replacement process. you need to ship the broken mini to them, and they replace it with another of the same rarity

Oddly enough it was just an online form that said that if it was under six minis being replaced we didn't need to mail it in. Or something, it was four months ago, but I'll head over again. If the policy is that I get a random of the same rarity, then I'm still dissatisfied. I LIKE the Knight of Ozum. She's kinda awesome.

Regardless, thanks for the heads up.

As Enlight_Bystand says, they'll replace them with the same until they run out. after that they can't guarantee anything. See This fan made - step by step guide on the replacement process.

Vic Wertz wrote:
Erik's talks with WizKids at Origins did bear fruit. We need firm details before we say anything specific, though. (You'll read about it in the Paizo blog first.)

been watching blog. Did I miss update on this subject? I can't seem to find it.

Scarab Sages
Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

I don't think you missed it. It has not been posted yet.
Vic Wertz wrote:
AJAG wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
The randomization model is not about marketing, and it's not chosen because it's awesome—it's chosen because it's necessary. One of our other customers wrote up a pretty solid explanation of why it's necessary here. I hope you find it enlightening.

Many thanks for your quick response Vic.

Not arguing, just saying...Whilst you say "it's necessary", I believe there is nothing prohibiting you to offer a complete set of any given line of figures, except for the cost to the customer.

Pricing is a big deal. While you may be willing to spend $350 for a full set, if you look at the early reaction to the Pathfinder Battles line, there was as much discussion of the "high price" as there was about the randomization. When I say "it's necessary," I mean that doing otherwise would be cost prohibitive.

AJAG wrote:
If there were a pricing model, that absolutely guaranteed "at least" one of each figure or "only one" of each figure, I am sure many would make that purchase, whatever the price may be.
We require WizKids to do their best to ensure that each sealed Pathfinder Battles case contains a complete set of minis—we've been insistent about that since day 1. Because human error is possible, though, they can't *guarantee* it, but if you look at people's case reports online, you'll find that they meet that goal with very few exceptions.

With the past pages of quotes, and the above, being said...

I'm now thinking what I need to do is gather up all of my ruined-faced Iconics and Rares to take photos of. That is, all of those with terrible paint, not necessarily ALL of my Iconic and Rare Humanoids.

I've been sighing and feeling let down set after set with those key minis and thinking... "5 foot rule, 5 foot rule". Is WizKids planning to replace the horrible paintjobs (wouldn't think so...)?

But, in all honesty I've been quiet for a long time on this subject and now feel like I shouldn't have been. Sorry if this is overly critical, Vic and company, but it's really been bugging me for a long time now.

As for WizKids replacement methodology (and the post for the poor guy waiting 4 months now for replacement!), I know Paizo and WK have to protect themselves from people taking advantage, but honestly, the WK replacement model is ridiculously costly, complicated, and inefficient.
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Everthefool wrote:

With the past pages of quotes, and the above, being said...

I'm now thinking what I need to do is gather up all of my ruined-faced Iconics and Rares to take photos of. That is, all of those with terrible paint, not necessarily ALL of my Iconic and Rare Humanoids.

I've been sighing and feeling let down set after set with those key minis and thinking... "5 foot rule, 5 foot rule". Is WizKids planning to replace the horrible paintjobs (wouldn't think so...)?

But, in all honesty I've been quiet for a long time on this subject and now feel like I shouldn't have been. Sorry if this is overly critical, Vic and company, but it's really been bugging me for a long time now.

As for WizKids replacement methodology (and the post for the poor guy waiting 4 months now for replacement!), I know Paizo and WK have to protect themselves from people taking advantage, but honestly, the WK replacement model is ridiculously costly, complicated, and inefficient.

The problem with this is ‘ruined faces’ or especially ‘terrible paint jobs’ is extremely subjective between consumer and manufacturer (i.e. WizKids).

With Feiya, it is already confirmed that her paint (sculpt?) job is unacceptable, and steps are being taken to resolve this.

But the question is on some of the other minis on what, if anything, would be done. I do agree there are some other minis (besides Feiya) that are not up to acceptable levels, and I am not even truly that picky. But when a face is a big blob (Queen Ileosa) or the eyes are painted on the cheeks/mouth on the chin (Queen Elvanna), that is not acceptable for me.

I think I have an idea what is going to happen with Feiya from what I have heard, but I don’t want to post anything as I don’t want to give inaccurate information (in case I am wrong) and I don’t want to post it ahead of Erik’s blog post. I do think everyone will be pleased with what is being done with Feiya (if I am correct), but I am certain I also don’t have the whole story, either. And I am also hoping Erik’s “encouraging discussions with WizKids” are some kind of assurances for future minis as well, and hopefully even resolutions for really bad paint jobs on other minis, besides Feiya.

But, I really want to see what Erik says in his blog post before I make any further criticisms.
Vic Wertz wrote:
Erik's talks with WizKids at Origins did bear fruit. We need firm details before we say anything specific, though. (You'll read about it in the Paizo blog first.)

That was posted on June 20. Either I missed the breaking news somewhere or it feels like the whole Feiya replacement has been blown off.

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