Looking at the PDF,
yes/no
potential list
Blackfire Adept -> Evil summoner of fiends
Razmiran Priest -> False divine caster of Razmir
Daggermark Poisoner -> Devious and crafty toxicologist
Umbral Court Agent -> Nidalese shadow saboteur
Was it intentional for the Brother of the Seal to not advance his AC bonuses like the Champion of Irori?
Also, is there any way at all for the Champion to advance his Lay on Hands? He can trigger it with two ki, but I don't see anything about it getting better if he has Paladin 2. 2 ki for 1d6 isn't impressive.
AAAAAAAAAAAH, the date of the PDF was moved to a later date! AAAH!
AAAAAAAAAAAH, the date of the PDF was moved to a later date! AAAH!
I know right?! By the sound of the buzz, it'll be worth the wait though.
I know. Is it possible to just order the PDF?
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I for one am looking forward to that AP!
I know how you feel nighttree. I have players looking forward to this release. So was I for the rare game I play in instead.
Its the way it works sometimes. On the plus side it will give me a chance to order from the game store and allow my players to look at a physical copy instead of a pdf.
It occured to me that it's a rather pathetic comment on my life when a Pathfinder release is the "highlight" of my week.....Ah well....set counter back to "ten days to go"....
Where can we read more about the GEN CON Paizo announcements?
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I for one am looking forward to that AP!
It depends, I think, on how they do it. I really am not that interested in the seedy underbelly of mundaine corruption (outside of antagonists), but would love it is it was handled the same way as Skull and Shackles, that is to say something along the lines of, "you can, but probably don't want to play a Rogue, Summoner, or Druid. Paladins, holy Clerics, and noble Fighters and Cavaliers will make an excellent option however. . ."
I'd really like a Setting/Player's Companion/Gazeteer for the area, though, especially if they handled the Ward stones as a sort of Divine version of the various ruin sites like Riddleport.
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Where can we read more about the GEN CON Paizo announcements?
Various Podcasts (3.5 Private Sanctuary, and Pathfinder Chronicles are two good ones for this). A lot ot the time under the Paizo or Store Blogs (up top), or under the newly revealed (and usually mocked up art) of the material once it's been officially anounced in the Paizo products.
A little confused about the prerequisites for Signifer.....
It states you need the feat "Arcane armor training" for arcane casters.
What if your a Magus, or a Summoner ???
You already have armor prof, and don't need Arcane armor training....it would be a total waste ?
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I believe, for the Magus at least, above was mentioned that it was kept that way to keep them out, as they are already a decent magic-warrior type themselves, and could have the title/flavor without needing the class. Summoner, I don't know? Not really sure that the Summoner fits either, personally.
I believe, for the Magus at least, above was mentioned that it was kept that way to keep them out, as they are already a decent magic-warrior type themselves, and could have the title/flavor without needing the class. Summoner, I don't know? Not really sure that the Summoner fits either, personally.
That makes no sense....
It's already been stated that the majority of Signifers are magus (looking for exact reference).
As to Summoners, someone capable of summoning Devils seems to fit perfectly IMO.
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I believe, for the Magus at least, above was mentioned that it was kept that way to keep them out, as they are already a decent magic-warrior type themselves, and could have the title/flavor without needing the class. Summoner, I don't know? Not really sure that the Summoner fits either, personally.That makes no sense....
It's already been stated that the majority of Signifers are magus (looking for exact reference).
As to Summoners, someone capable of summoning Devils seems to fit perfectly IMO.
Highly doubtfull that the majority of them are Magus's as this order predates the Magus by a full edition plus, and is I would say even more a Cleric than a Wizard PC flavor.
But, that is what I think I recall being said, and I could easily be confussing this with some other thread. Honestly though Prereqs aside, I would be surprized if 15% of the Signifiers are Magus, though, but don't have the book, so this could be a very different focus than the organzation. Are you confussing Magus with Eld Knight, maybe?
I know. Is it possible to just order the PDF?Yes, but not until the release date.
as for those of you looking for Mendevian crusading stuff, I expect next Gencon will interest you with it's just annouced Worldwound AP...
Are you kidding me? You better NOT be kidding me!!! I've been wishing for this AP for YEARS!
I believe, for the Magus at least, above was mentioned that it was kept that way to keep them out, as they are already a decent magic-warrior type themselves, and could have the title/flavor without needing the class. Summoner, I don't know? Not really sure that the Summoner fits either, personally.That makes no sense....
It's already been stated that the majority of Signifers are magus (looking for exact reference).
As to Summoners, someone capable of summoning Devils seems to fit perfectly IMO.
Inner Sea World Guide, page 275, under the magus in "Adventurers in the World".
"...Many Hellknight signifers are magi, as are many of the technology-embracing members of Numeria’s Technic League."
Oh and, Paizo. My subscriptions are still pending. Take my money already! TAKE IT! DO EET NAO!
Well, remember, Signifer is a title as well as a PrC. You don't need to have the PrC in order to be known as a signifer.
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Are you kidding me? You better NOT be kidding me!!! I've been wishing for this AP for YEARS!I know. Is it possible to just order the PDF?Yes, but not until the release date.
as for those of you looking for Mendevian crusading stuff, I expect next Gencon will interest you with it's just annouced Worldwound AP...
They're kidding...
nah I'm kidding...
or am I? :)
Trust her; she's a succubus.
(who totally should get into reviewing again O:-) )
Magi can still get into the class, yo.
Inner Sea World Guide, page 275, under the magus in "Adventurers in the World".
"...Many Hellknight signifers are magi, as are many of the technology-embracing members of Numeria’s Technic League."
Could be an oversight, before the creation of the Magus class, "Magi" referred to arcane spellcasters, more specifically wizards and sorcerers. Things like the ‘Staff of the Magi’ are obviously not a reference to the Magus class and the original wording of the Signifer may have been written the same.
But of course I could be wrong. ^-^
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The Magus and the Signifer
The magus gets Heavy Armor Proficiency and the ability to cast magus spells in heavy armor at 13th level, which is pretty late in a character's career so she couldn't get all 10 levels of the prestige class.
Arcane Armor Training is a dead feat for magi at 7th level when they qualify for Hellknight signifer, but for a magus this is the only real cost to enter the prestige class. A 1st level signifer magus gets Heavy Armor Proficiency pretty much for free, and at 2nd level signifer gets Arcane Armor Mastery and can use an immediate action to trigger this ability, for those magus signifers who want to wear non-mithril heavy armor.
It's not a perfect fit as a prestige class for magi but it certainly isn't terrible either.
Also, on Golarion not every character who joins a Hellknight order and becomes a signifer takes levels in this prestige class. A bit like this.
Where can we read more about the GEN CON Paizo announcements?Various Podcasts (3.5 Private Sanctuary, and Pathfinder Chronicles are two good ones for this). A lot ot the time under the Paizo or Store Blogs (up top), or under the newly revealed (and usually mocked up art) of the material once it's been officially anounced in the Paizo products.
Grazie a lei!
I would be interested to play the Hellknight classes in a Council of Thieves campaign.
Inner Sea World Guide, page 275, under the magus in "Adventurers in the World".
"...Many Hellknight signifers are magi, as are many of the technology-embracing members of Numeria’s Technic League."
Could be an oversight, before the creation of the Magus class, "Magi" referred to arcane spellcasters, more specifically wizards and sorcerers. Things like the ‘Staff of the Magi’ are obviously not a reference to the Magus class and the original wording of the Signifer may have been written the same.
But of course I could be wrong. ^-^
Nah. It's literally under the "magus" so I'm guessing it means magus. :)
Inner Sea World Guide, page 275, under the magus in "Adventurers in the World".
"...Many Hellknight signifers are magi, as are many of the technology-embracing members of Numeria’s Technic League."
Nah. It's literally under the "magus" so I'm guessing it means magus. :)
Thanks Evil....I KNEW I had seen that somewhere....you saved me the digging time ;)
Question: Based on earliest possible entry of the PrC by a Magus.
Do the reductions in ASF (from the PrC) fall at a faster rate than the Magus would gain medium and heavy armor prof ?
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Can someone tell me the prerequisites for Dawnflower Dissident? I'm still waiting for my book to be shipped so I don't have the pdf yet and I want to make sure that I can get a character to meet the requirements while I can still rebuild them for society play.
Deity: Must worship Sarenrae.
Feats: Dervish Dance, Weapon Finesse.Skills: Bluff 5 ranks, Disguise 5 ranks, Knowledge (religion) 5 ranks, Sleight of Hand 5 ranks.
Spells: Able to cast daylight as a divine spell.
Wow. . . Are you kidding?
Why would she be kidding? Makes perfect sense for this class.
Well, the skill requirements are a bit... unusual. I mean, they make sense in context of the class abilities, but consider this: one of Sarenrae's portfolio elements is Honesty. You're required to take Bluff, Disguise, and Slight of Hand.
Yes, I realize you can be honest and have those skills. It just seems a tiny bit out of place.
Right, but we're talking about a very specialized sect which requires the use of those skills in order to achieve their goals.
I guess I could see the confusion from the outside looking in. Once you read the prestige class, though, the prereqs almost write themselves.
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Well, because I was really looking forward to this class for (finally) straight Cleric. Looks like min Cleric 5/Rogue 5, or maybe Inquisitor. More astonished disappointment at what I had thought, than the class itself, and not having the book it does seem extremely odd, even for what I'm guessing is sort of an anti-Taldor purge sort of thing.
You can get in with straight cleric pretty easily. Human with 10 int and favored class goes into skill, or 12 int and FC bonus goes into skill point as well.
Doesnt dervish dance require perform dance 3, or am i thhinking of the old one?
You are correct. (mostly. it's 2 ranks.)
Question: Based on earliest possible entry of the PrC by a Magus.
Do the reductions in ASF (from the PrC) fall at a faster rate than the Magus would gain medium and heavy armor prof ?
The earliest would be 8th level (7th level magus/1st level signifer), so as soon as you get to this level you can cast in mithril heavy armor. Heavy Armor Proficiency (which you get at your first signifer level) means you can wear heavy armor and not take attack roll penalties. Mithril fullplate counts at medium for almost all purposes, and a normal magus* can already cast in medium armor, so you are good to go.
You get full spellcasting and your BAB is medium, so it really comes down to magus abilities vs. magus abilities.
* A kensai magus or a wizard/sorcerer needs to get to 3rd level signifer to cast with 0% spell failure in mithril fullplate using Arcane Armor Mastery (another bonus feat for the signifer).