Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Paths of Prestige

"The class levels of a champion of irori stack with monk levels to ..."

prototype00 wrote:

Hmm, with monastic legacy, a champion of Irori could be the key to very early high level unarmed damage. By the wording of monastic legacy:

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Add half the levels you have in classes other than monk to your monk level to determine your effective monk level for your base unarmed strike damage.

So since champion of Irori raises it by itself already (and is presumably a 10 level PrC), thats two levels of paladin (for divine grace) and 10 levels of Champion of Irori, so 6 from monastic legacy, 3 from monk, 10 from champion of Irori and 5 from a monk's belt so 24 effective monk levels altogether by level 15, which probably mean max damage at level 10ish or so.

prototype00

That looks a bit fishy to me. Are you sure that the prestige class does not have wording saying that you simply count the prestige class levels as though they were monk levels? In that case, your paladin 2/monk 3/champion of Irori 10 would have 14 effective monk levels at level 15, or 19 after you throw in the monk's robe.

So in quasi-rebuttal:

1.) I dunno? I don't have the book, so I'm waiting till Thursday to buy the pdf.

2.) It doesn't read like it works like that (monk levels = monk?) After all the ninja can deal unarmed damage as a monk of its level -4 with the Unarmed combat mastery trick, and it still can take monastic legacy to boost it even further, can't it? Just by the way the feat is worded, as long as you're in a class other than Monk, it works.

prototype00

I dont have the book yet but to me it sounds like hoe spellcasting PCs advance spellcadting and also give +1 Casting at certain levels. Not a double dip.

Follow up query, how does the touch attack unarmed strike of the Champion of Irori combine with the vital strike line of feats? Is it a standard action attack? With full Bab for the CoI, its a good chance that Greater Vital strike is in the cards, and 8d10 damage is nothing to be sniffed at.

(Hmm, with judicious application of size shennanigans (say 5 levels of druid), it could be a good 48d8 as a touch attack. Nice.)

prototype00

It's its own distinct standard action.

No, it does not work with Vital Strike.

Aww. :(

prototype00

sounds like hoe spellcasting PCs

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Hey!!! WTH!!! Why did the PDF release date drop back a week?

I am truly sad, one more week to wait, I was so excited for the 16th :(

Vic posted this in another thread.

Due to shipping delays, the retail release date for all of our August products is now August 23; the PDF onsale date is the same.

Not mad as to the why, companies delay stuff all the time. Just a tad sad I have to wait 1 more week when I anticipated the 16th.

Noooooooooooooo!

I'm way too tired to go through the whole thread, but is there any sort of Mendev Crusader type PrC?

I'm way too tired to go through the whole thread, but is there any sort of Mendev Crusader type PrC?

That one's actually in the Inner Sea World Guide. It's the Low Templar.

With the retail delay, will all the releases make their Gencon dates?

I'm bringing a pile 'o cash.

With the retail delay, will all the releases make their Gencon dates?

I'm bringing a pile 'o cash.

i'm pretty sure that the crate to GenCon will have been the first thing they sent out.

This sums up my initial feelings.

Oh noes. I was so waiting August 16; it was supposed to be the promised day! Oh well, these things happen.

(Now I regret doodling my calenders August 16 with epic drawings and with counter. Sigh. It looked pretty cool.)

is there a list of the prestige classes?

is there a list of the prestige classes?

Hmmm having seen the list it doesn't seem that there's any shape-shifting classes in the style of a 3.0 shifter, can anyone who has a physical copy confirm/deny this? I'll definitely be getting the pdf regardless but I really miss having a PrC that can change into anything :/

Also does the Blackfire Adept bear any relation to the Black Flame Zealot from Complete Divine (3.5)? Cos we need more love for kukri wielders ;)

Thanks in advance

Hmmm having seen the list it doesn't seem that there's any shape-shifting classes in the style of a 3.0 shifter, can anyone who has a physical copy confirm/deny this? I'll definitely be getting the pdf regardless but I really miss having a PrC that can change into anything :/

Also does the Blackfire Adept bear any relation to the Black Flame Zealot from Complete Divine (3.5)? Cos we need more love for kukri wielders ;)

Thanks in advance

Nope and nope. This isn't meant to be like the PrCs found in Complete Divine, etc. These are all tied to specific organizations of Golarion. The blackfire adept is .... well they're really cool, for one. They focus on summoning / calling evil outsiders, causing blackfire eruptions, and they get something similar to a hex.

Thanks Cheapy, Blackfire Adept sounds pretty cool, still kinda annoyed over the lack of a shifter class :(

One of the PrCs gets increased level w.r.t. Wild Shape, but I think that's about it...

Yeah I was looking for something able to use all the polymorph spells as class features (SLAs or SUs) and possibly getting minor benefits in their humanoid form (like aspect of the beast). Hopefully we'll get one eventually, wizards, sorcerors and magi don't get full bab and are a bit MAD if you want to turn them into shape-shifting fighters.

I really am delighted to see PrCs for the Blackfire Adept and the Riftwarden; ever since I first read about them, I wanted to see more on these groups (and so many others!) and now here we have them! Thank you, Paizo!

Numerian wrote:

is there a list of the prestige classes?

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thanks, the arcane part seems great, tough no Technic League

There are some nice spoilers for Paths of Prestige here.

Mammoth Riders? Sounds interesting..

Vic posted this in another thread.

Vic wrote:

Due to shipping delays, the retail release date for all of our August products is now August 23; the PDF onsale date is the same.

NOOOOoooooooooo....I have been excited all week for Thursday to get here.

I want to cry.

Why can't they just release the PDF....it's not like they have to ship it ?

NOOOOoooooooooo....I have been excited all week for Thursday to get here.

I want to cry.

Why can't they just release the PDF....it's not like they have to ship it ?

Because Paizo (rightfully) likes to stay on the good side of the brick & mortars by not releasing access to their books before consumers have the option of purchasing them from their FLGS.

I know how you feel nighttree. I have players looking forward to this release. So was I for the rare game I play in instead.

Its the way it works sometimes. On the plus side it will give me a chance to order from the game store and allow my players to look at a physical copy instead of a pdf.

First, let me say I'm counting the days till I get my copy. Very excited.

Second, I'm currently GMing a game that has an Urban Ranger in it. I'm curious to know if the Sleepless Detective is a good fit for this particular Ranger Archetype? I'm hoping it is since the player in question is a big fan of these kinds of characters.

Thanks,
Tony

Block: Yea, they can easily get the prereqs. It's a 3/4ths BAB class, obviously. The only oddities about the prereqs are craft(alchemy), but I have a feeling that's so they can brew coffee to stay awake? :)

They also need Alertness.

Winter witch sounds like something from Unapproachable East.

Seems more like the Silver Marches to me (though your point's the same, obviously).

Monkeygod wrote:

I'm way too tired to go through the whole thread, but is there any sort of Mendev Crusader type PrC?

That one's actually in the Inner Sea World Guide. It's the Low Templar.

I don't know if this is what Monkeygod means, but I wouldn't mind (for the next book if there is one) something that's a little more of a successful crusader, someone living up to the ideals, instead of merely serving the letter of the law.

Beckett wrote:

sounds like hoe spellcasting PCs

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Sorry, I've been away a little. Should have been "sounds like how spellcasting prestige classes", in reference to the Monk/Irori Champion thingy stack unarmed strike. Such prestige classes have +1 spellcaster level, and also say that they increase spellcasting in an existing class (but not any other class feature like Domain abiliies or extra spells known), which doesn't stack with itself. I would imagine the Monk unarmed strike would be the same.

Monkeygod wrote:

I'm way too tired to go through the whole thread, but is there any sort of Mendev Crusader type PrC?

That one's actually in the Inner Sea World Guide. It's the Low Templar.

This is very much the anti-Mendev Crusader, in practcally all ways.

However, in Inner Sea Magic, (I believe, might be Ult Monk 2, I mean Combat) there is the Crusader Cleric Archtype.

Block: Yea, they can easily get the prereqs. It's a 3/4ths BAB class, obviously. The only oddities about the prereqs are craft(alchemy), but I have a feeling that's so they can brew coffee to stay awake? :)

They also need Alertness.

Thanks Cheapy. I figured I'd get a quick response. I Appreciate it.

I myself am super excited for the Razmiran Priest. I don't know how well they stack up in combat or effectiveness but the concept is dripping with flavor!

This is very much the anti-Mendev Crusader, in practcally all ways.

However, in Inner Sea Magic, (I believe, might be Ult Monk 2, I mean Combat) there is the Crusader Cleric Archtype.

If I'm to venture a guess, I think what Mr Jacobs means is that that's the prestige class we get for that region/conflict. It may not be the righteous holy crusader type game mechanic but remember that, in the crusade's current state where the crusade's leaders are desperate to get enough fighting men to the crusades, the low templar might well be more representative of the kind of people who fight in the crusades than the righteous holy crusader type. Soldiers of fortune, mercenary companies, unscrupulous profiteers, etc.

Yeah I was looking for something able to use all the polymorph spells as class features (SLAs or SUs) and possibly getting minor benefits in their humanoid form (like aspect of the beast). Hopefully we'll get one eventually, wizards, sorcerors and magi don't get full bab and are a bit MAD if you want to turn them into shape-shifting fighters.

The only PRC that approaches the theme of the shifter is the Veiled Illusionist, who does not use polymorph and the like but illusions to change into other (mostly humanoid) forms.

Beckett wrote:

This is very much the anti-Mendev Crusader, in practcally all ways.

However, in Inner Sea Magic, (I believe, might be Ult Monk 2, I mean Combat) there is the Crusader Cleric Archtype.

If I'm to venture a guess, I think what Mr Jacobs means is that that's the prestige class we get for that region/conflict. It may not be the righteous holy crusader type game mechanic but remember that, in the crusade's current state where the crusade's leaders are desperate to get enough fighting men to the crusades, the low templar might well be more representative of the kind of people who fight in the crusades than the righteous holy crusader type. Soldiers of fortune, mercenary companies, unscrupulous profiteers, etc.

I know, but more likely than not its the former that the other poster was asking about, and the flavor of the Low Templar isnt that tied to Mendev in my opinion.

:)

...and the flavor of the Low Templar isnt that tied to Mendev in my opinion.

Fair enough. For me it fits perfectly. That comes down to one's perception of the themes and feels of the setting, I suppose. :)

I just mean in the sense that one could drop all reference to Mendev or The Crusade, and use this PC for basically any sort of prolongued war area, so Mendev really isn't that big a deal with the class itself, and in the sense that Paizo wants all their PC to focus and be tied to an in world group heavily, this one really doesn't. I'm not saying it's a bad class.

Also, when people say they want something to do with Mendev, (opinion), they tend to want have material for the holy crusader/priest/demon hunter part of Mendev, not the typical that could be from anywhere concept that the Low Templar kind of represents. I could be wrong, though. :)

When I say I want a PrC about Mendev, I wanna play the demon!

Also, when people say they want something to do with Mendev, (opinion), they tend to want have material for the holy crusader/priest/demon hunter part of Mendev, not the typical that could be from anywhere concept that the Low Templar kind of represents. I could be wrong, though. :)

Oh I'm fairly sure you're correct in that regard.

For me, part of the appeal of the Mendevian Crusades is very much the contrasts between the purpose of the crusades as a holy war against the demonic hordes of the Abyss and the harsh realities of thousands of mercenaries and profiteers fighting for personal glory and enrichment, not caring one bit about the oppressed locals or who they have to kill, main, or cheat in order for them to achieve personal glory and wealth. So I'm happy that one of the bigger game mechanics to represent the Mendevian Crusades focuses on those soldiers of fortune.

I do get the impression, though, that a lot of people would like to see a prestige class for the zealous crusaders that are still well represented in Mendev, as you said, and I wouldn't mind that myself.

After looking in this book, you could tweak the Knight of Ozem prestige class to be focused against demons instead of undead. Most of the abilities should transfer pretty cleanly.

In I want to say the Crimson Thron AP they have a Cleric/Paladin PC of Iomedae that does this too but a little outdated.

After looking in this book, you could tweak the Knight of Ozem prestige class to be focused against demons instead of undead. Most of the abilities should transfer pretty cleanly.

And along that line, there's a Knights of the Inner Sea volume coming that might provide an order or two for the more sincere crusaders. I don't think they've said much about what is in that book yet, but I'd expect there's room for an archetype or cavalier order that might do the job.

Point: Just because it wasn't in this book doesn't mean there won't be something like that in another.

I am not sure if this has been asked already, but could perhaps someone shed some light into what the Aldori Swordlord PrC grants as far as skills and class features are concerned?