You guys should really announce the release of these things over here! At reasonable hours, too!
We do our best to call our production of a product when we know we will have it, however the review process by Paizo staff is a doubled edged sword. It means this site has a very good quality of works submitted but it also means that we have to wait for a product to be launched (we submit to our sales sites at the same times). Therefore launch deals and early announcements are done using other sales sites (because they are available before Paizo.com)
Thanks!
Red
Well, I meant more that when it becomes available here, post on that forum so I know to come look here :) I didn't mean deals, etc.
I'm intimate enough with that process through my work with Rite, and what they do is generally announce it on those forums, linking to the DriveThruRPG site, and once it appears here, replies to the thread to announce its availability here as well.
Great class! However, the description for the Flailing Tentacles incantation is missing.
How close are these to the old 3.5 binders?
How close are these to the old 3.5 binders?
They're actually much more like the old 3.5 warlocks, but not just with demons.
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First of all I wanted to thank InfernosReaper for taking the time to give a review. These issues are some notable problems that arose because we were a bit too lax in what we let the playtesters build off of. Regardless on behalf of Little Red I will say a lot of playtesting time went into the class nonetheless, just could have used more editing alongside it. We are innocent on one account though: Saving throw DCs for the original document are double the incantation's level, so their saving throw DCs were in line with the other classes. Here's a list of what's been changed while you wait for the updated version:
Mystic Blast (Su:)
An invoker’s effective caster level for her mystic blast is equal to her invoker level.
Pacts: “Unless
otherwise specified, special actions accorded by boons are
a standard action. The save DC for a boon is equal to 10 +
½ invoker’s level + Charisma modifier. Unless otherwise
stated, boons are treated as supernatural abilities.”
Demon Pact
“A demon pact invoker may make an attack
with her mystic blast as a full-round action to deal extra damage equal to her level to creatures struck by the blast.”
Hungry flames: “she may take 1d6 points of damage as part of a mystic blast attack and add half as much damage as she took (rounded up) to her
damage rolls with mystic blast that round.”
Fiendish claws: “At 10th level, the claws count as cold iron and evil for the purposes of overcoming DR and deal an additional 1d6 points of fire damage.”
Dark Infusion: “If the invoker possesses the mystic blade blast trait, she may apply her mystic blast damage to all melee attacks made in a round that she uses this ability, and may make a full-round attack action while doing so.”
Devilish Pact:
Faustian familiar: “This
familiar can deliver the invoker’s incantations as though
they were spells, and can be the subject of the invoker’s
incantations as though it was the invoker.”
Hellfire: “The hellfire may deal half fire and half unholy damage at the invoker’s option. Damage caused by this blast may not be healed magically by a creature with less HD than the invoker.”
Power from Blood: “Whenever the invoker deals damage to a living, good-aligned creature with a slashing or piercing weapon, her mystic blasts deal 1 point of bonus fire damage +1 for every two levels of invoker she possesses.”
Slaver’s Lash: “A slaver’s lash resembles a sinister-looking whip and may function as such. The invoker is proficient in this whip.”
“Changing a mystic blast to and from lash form is a move action or as part of an attack made with the lash of the slaver made as a standard action. It can also be changed as part of any mystic blast.”
Fey pact:
Fey spit: “If the attack hits, the target treats all creatures of the fey type, all sorcerers with the fey bloodline, and all invokers with the fey pact as though they had total concealment against the target until the end of the invoker’s next turn.”
Star Pact:
New Boon:
“-Aberrant Descendent:
The invoker’s lineage stems from some sort of terrible creature formed by the old gods. This grants her supernatural resilience against effects that target humanoids. Treat the invoker as an aberration for effects relating to creature type. Once per day, after being critically hit or after failing a saving throw, reduce the damage taken by twice the invoker’s level. The invoker’s eldritch ancestry is a lurid but fascinating topic. Creatures gain a +4 bonus on attempts to gather information about her.”
Mastery: Standardized saving throw
New Class Features:
“Old Ways:
At 6th level, and each time she gains a new level of incantations, the invoker may pick a new invocation of any level other than the highest level she can cast. At 12th and 16th level, the invoker may instead learn multiple incantations with a level totaling 2 at 12th and 3 at 16th.
Uncanny Pact (Su):
At 10th level, when the invoker casts an incantation its effective spell level doubles for the purpose of calculating save DCs and spell level-dependent effects.”
New feats:
“Open relations
“My you’re looking terrifying today. Will that be seven
sacrifices as per usual, or would you prefer something new
this evening?”
Prerequisites: Pact class feature
Benefit: Select one additional pact that you do not
have access to. You gain access to that pact.
Special: A character only gains access to the boon
and taboos from that new pact. She does not gain any other
class features such as the new pact’s pact mastery or mystic
blast energy types, but may choose either in place of her
own. Once such a decision is made it is permanent unless
this feat is taken an additional time. It may be changed at
that time.
Renewed Endowment
After a few minutes’ concentration, you alter your power
with a slight change to the way your perceive your “arrangement.”
Prerequisite: Incantations class feature, at least one
feat that applies a metamagic feat to an incantation
Benefit: At the start of each day, you may choose to
meditate for 5 minutes. You may change which incantation
a single feat that grants the benefits of a metamagic feat applies to, provided it applies to another incantation.
Special: This feat may be selected multiple times.
Each time you take this feat, you may change one additional feat at the start of each day. After doing so you may not
change the feats again for 24 hours. “
Incantations:
Removed frozen shadows from incantations list
Fear feeder: removed HD limit
New incantation: “Flailing Tentacles
School conjuration (creation)
Spell Level 3
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components S, V
EFFECT
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft. / level)
Area 30-ft. radius burst
Effect This incantation functions exactly as the black
tentacles spell except as noted here. The caster may will
the tentacles to move ensnared creatures 5 feet at the start
of his turn, provided at least one of the creature’s spaces
remains in the area of the incantation. Once per round as a
swift action, the caster may cause the tentacles to constrict
an ensnared target, dealing 1d6 points of bludgeoning
damage per 2 caster levels (max 10d6) plus his Charisma
modifier.
Duration 1 round/level (D)
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no”
We hope to have more invoker news for you soon. Stay safe and stay red.
-Caleb Aylsworth
As a note: We updated the PDF but forgot a logo so it wasn't approved for upload. Caleb updated the PDF. It should be fixed Sat.
It is added yes.
Let me shoot that to Caleb ASAP. He's in charge of making the tweeks on that.
Just a heads up, DriveThru now has the updated PDF. We submitted the PDF to Paizo.com a few min ago. It will be updated in a day or two here.
Devilish Pact still has one taboo less than others.
Will there be any expansions to the Invoker in the future ?
additional pacts (celestial pacts, elemental lords,dragons, etc.. , or rules for designing pacts based on the entity it is with.)
magic items for invokers
more incantations
prestige classes
Yep. We are working on a "tome of tomes" book that gives support for many of our base classes, including invoker.
One of the things for the invoker I know is done is a pact with angels. The tagline was something like, "Just because they are good doesn't mean they are nice."
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Yep. We are working on a "tome of tomes" book that gives support for many of our base classes, including invoker.
One of the things for the invoker I know is done is a pact with angels. The tagline was something like, "Just because they are good doesn't mean they are nice."
Sweet. I tend to like to play characters with some connection to the upper planes (Paladins, Clerics, Sorcerers with the Celestial bloodline). This is right up my alley.
We actually have a phone call with some of the devs here in a few min.
Also, keep in mind that this is all open gaming content.
We would LOVE to see your take on prestige classes, feats, etc for the invoker.
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Also, keep in mind that this is all open gaming content.
We would LOVE to see your take on prestige classes, feats, etc for the invoker.
Please yourself:
One traditional image of the invoker sees him as a dabbler in matters of the afterlife- as a grim undead lord, a fleshwarping researcher, or a twisted creature warping and corrupting his own body in order to discover the secrets of eternal life. Powerful, quasi-divine liches and demiliches may grant power to a mortal being for their own twisted ends, as may do bored noble vampires or lord necromancers. But the boldest grave pact invokers are said to have dealt a pact with Death itself, and maybe these rumors are not far from truth.
Alignment: Any nongood
Bonus Skills: Grave pact invokers gain Stealth as a class skill and as a class skill and gain a +2 bonus to Knowledge (planes) checks.
Damage Type: Negative energy
Blast Bonus: Creatures struck by a grave pact invoker’s mystic blast take a -2 penalty to saves against diseases, death effects and stunning for 1 minute.
Boons:
–Channel: A grave pact invoker channels negative energy like a cleric of his invoker level, though he doesn’t need a holy symbol to do so. His effective cleric level for the purposes of this ability is equal to his invoker level. The invoker may freely apply any channeling feat to this ability. This ability may be used a number of times per day equal to 3 + his Charisma modifier.
–Death Game: Whenever the invoker or one of his allies dies, he may attempt to play a game with Death to win back the dead’s soul. An illusory avatar of Death appears, and the invoker gets the choice of the game to play. Winning the game requires making three successful Will saves in a row with DC 30; if the invoker fails three saves in a row, Death wins. The game goes on until the invoker or Death wins, attempting one save per hour of gaming. If the invoker wins, the dead creature is resurrected (as per True resurrection), but the invoker takes 1 temporary point of Constitution damage for 24 hours; if the invoker loses, the dead creature stays dead and the Constitution damage is permanent (if he didn’t play for himself).
–Ghost Walker: Once per day, the invoker can make himself incorporeal (assuming the Incorporeal template) for 1 minute a day per invoker level he possesses.
–Spirit Lore: A grave pact invoker can summon a dead spirit once a week, asking questions on the current situation. The summoning ritual requires rare herbs and gems for a value of 100 gp per invoker level. The GM decides what the spirit does and does not know based on its past life and history. Unlike the spell, the spirit never attempts to deceive the invoker, but its answers can be unclear and imprecise.
–Touch of Malady: With a touch, a grave pact invoker may curse an individual with a rotting disease. He may use sickening strikes as a spell-like ability with a caster level equal to his class level a number of times each day equal to his Charisma modifier. At 6th level, he may use his daily uses of this ability to cast contagion instead. At 12th level, he may expend two uses of this ability to cast greater contagion. At 16th level, he may expend two uses of this ability to cast epidemic. In order to continue benefitting from this ability, the invoker must constantly avoid washing, bathing and cleaning himself in any way. If he does, he loses access to his arcane blast class feature for a week.
Taboos:
–Corrupt Nature: The invoker can be turned or commanded as though he were an intelligent undead creature.
–Deadly Allergy: Some mundane substance, like garlic or rose petals, strongly repels the invoker. The invoker may not enter areas where the substance is present.
–Unnatural Body: Magical or mundane cures have less effect on the invoker. The invoker receives –1 point of healing for each die rolled.
–Unreflective: The invoker’s image can’t be reflected in mirrors, water or other shiny surfaces.
–Unwholesome Craving: The invoker must consume the flesh or blood of a living creature of his same type every day (inflicting 1d4 points of damage at least) or suffer from withdrawal just like a vampire.
Grave Pact Mastery: At 20th level, the invoker becomes immune to death, disease, poison and sleep spells and effects, and may use a phylactery to store his soul like a lich. Even if he’s reduced to negative hit points, he automatically stabilizes and recovers in time until the phylactery’s destroyed.
the spell Evard's All Seeing Worm from Dungeon Magazine issue #107 pg.37 fits thematically with the Alien Armor and Parasite Infection incantations
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The True Res & incorporeal bits are way too strong on the low end, even if it's a DC 30. I've seen saves get milked pretty bad before & a meta '1 hour of gameplay' rule bit is just weird...
The capstone's just way too much. It's a bit strong with the immunities, but the phylactery bit goes way too far.
I was making an attempt with a class I'm not too much familiar with, even if I like it. I'll try to fix it.^^
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Interesting, what are the aliment restrictions (if any) HD and BAB? Just curious to how close is it to the old 3.5 Warlock.
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HD/BAB is d8 and 3/4, same as 3.5.
Alignment requirements are none. Though I think some of the pacts might require a specific alignment; I don't have my book on hand right now to check.
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Awesome! Good to hear!
for the Incantations that replicate Animate Dead, (Repurpose Dead and Crypt Caller), can they create any of the Variant undead, such as Bloody or Burning ?
also any suggestions for applying Mythic Adventures to the Invoker, one thing I thought was that the Mythic Spell Lore [Feat] could be adapted so that any incantations that use a reference spell could use the Mythic version of that spell when spending mythic energy to cast, any thoughts on this ?
More importantly, Mythic rules may end up becoming a mandatory add-on to classes to keep competitive with other pathfinder stuff. I recently was in game where the GM decided to add those rules. My though was 'well, good thing my guy's a mystically warrior type or I'd be kinda outta luck on this one since my 3rd party class has no support for this stuff'. So yeah, that sort of ruleset's gonna be a bit of a headache for developers in the near future.
A lot of the universal path abilities in Mythic Adventures are not specific to any sort of class or class abilities (though you do still have to pick a particular path to start with).
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On a sidenote, I think I've got a variant for this class that utilizes spirit/pact-binding of the Binder/Occultist variety. Thematically, it runs of the premise of someone who makes deals with extraplanar beings won't limit themselves to just that if they know of other sources of power too. Thus they trade away a bit of their pact's power for the ability to make temporary pacts with other sorts of supernatural entities.
I just need to testplay it to see if it's mechanically solid(& make sure the added class features from the variant aren't too boring).
The Occultist book has several archetypes for nearly every core class that gives them binding ability; you might want to look at those for ideas and starting points.
Lilith, the problem would be that for any 3PP classes that step much outside of what Paizo has put out, there may not be a path that really suits that class. For example, many of the mad scientist/inventor/artificer type classes.
Sounds like a great idea for 3PP folk to create new paths then. :D
Hey guys. We are posting another update to the invoker soon. It is being exported and uploaded tonight so you should have it in a few days I believe.
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My PDF folders are sorted in a way that I have a lot of LRGG PDFs in the same folder so The Invoker will be the start of going over every LRGG product I have. As soon as I can, Runesmith is going up, as it is the product I got after Invoker.
My PDF folders are sorted in a way that I have a lot of LRGG PDFs in the same folder so The Invoker will be the start of going over every LRGG product I have. As soon as I can, Runesmith is going up, as it is the product I got after Invoker.
Awesome! Can't wait!
Hello! So rather than a simple web enhancement we put out a book called "Tome of Tomes" which includes support for a large number of our classes. It includes additional pacts for the invoker.