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That's a shame, I always like those. By the way, is the vampiric mist the same as the crimson death, or are they two different blood sucking clouds?They are different indeed.
I don't have the books here with me, but the creatures and their abilities are different.
Also, neither the vampiric mist of 1st edition or the crimson death are open content. The name "Vampiric mist" is generic enough that we don't have to worry there too much, but it'd have to have different stats than the classic vampiric mist. The art we have for it looks more like a crimson death, but more monstrous and less humanoid. Chances are VERY GOOD that whenever we DO get this guy into print he'll be named something different anyway, like Scarlet Drinker or Bloodfog or something.
So, is the art in the Bonus Bestiary a good indication of what the art will be like in the Bestiary proper? That is, about half recycled from other Paizo products and half original?
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So, is the art in the Bonus Bestiary a good indication of what the art will be like in the Bestiary proper? That is, about half recycled from other Paizo products and half original?
Yup!
Of the 290 or so illustrations in the Bestiary, I would say about half, maybe a little more than half, are new artwork. Spreading the cost of all that art out among different books is, frankly, the only way we were able to afford to illustrate so many monsters. In fact, we've more or less been planning for this for a LONG time, ever since we really knew that we'd eventually have to illustrate a big monster book. After all... we ordered the shadow mastiff illustration way back for Pathfinder #5! :-)
Yup!Of the 290 or so illustrations in the Bestiary, I would say about half, maybe a little more than half, are new artwork. Spreading the cost of all that art out among different books is, frankly, the only way we were able to afford to illustrate so many monsters. In fact, we've more or less been planning for this for a LONG time, ever since we really knew that we'd eventually have to illustrate a big monster book. After all... we ordered the shadow mastiff illustration way back for Pathfinder #5! :-)
I'm really hoping for a return to the classic monster feel of days gone by, especially for some of the more iconic monsters. The invisible stalker, for example, could use a return to its roots. Hopefully Paizo will do it justice...
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The funniest thing about the second edition Monstrous Manual where the invisible stalker illo was a blank panel, was that if you checked the artist credits at the front of the book, about four artists were credited with producing that masterpiece.Well, crap.
At least the write-up will be cool.
Agreed, that was pretty funny.
That said... I take a lot of pride in the Bestiary and the Pathfinder stuff and I'd rather not treat any part of it as a joke.
Spreading the cost of all that art out among different books is, frankly, the only way we were able to afford to illustrate so many monsters. In fact, we've more or less been planning for this for a LONG time, ever since we really knew that we'd eventually have to illustrate a big monster book. After all... we ordered the shadow mastiff illustration way back for Pathfinder #5! :-)
I started to suspect around the time all of those nice clean separate-from-the-adventure-context illustrations of demons started showing up in each installment of Second Darkness. ;)
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Spreading the cost of all that art out among different books is, frankly, the only way we were able to afford to illustrate so many monsters. In fact, we've more or less been planning for this for a LONG time, ever since we really knew that we'd eventually have to illustrate a big monster book. After all... we ordered the shadow mastiff illustration way back for Pathfinder #5! :-)I started to suspect around the time all of those nice clean separate-from-the-adventure-context illustrations of demons started showing up in each installment of Second Darkness. ;)
It does make me a little sad to know that it's not going to all be new art, but it's understandable.
And while I hope that a lot of my favorites get new art even if they've already shown up in Pathfinder products, it wouldn't break my heart to see the marilith from
As long as the art is first rate, I don't mind %50 reused art.
The funniest thing about the second edition Monstrous Manual where the invisible stalker illo was a blank panel, was that if you checked the artist credits at the front of the book, about four artists were credited with producing that masterpiece.Well, crap.
At least the write-up will be cool.
Agreed, that was pretty funny.
That said... I take a lot of pride in the Bestiary and the Pathfinder stuff and I'd rather not treat any part of it as a joke.
Sorry James...I just thought a picture of an invisible creature was a naturally funny idea.
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Unless you own absolutely everything we've published, including all of the Pathfinder Society scenarios (in which case, bless your heart), a LOT of the "reused" art is going to be completely new to you.
Well I've got all the stuff you've pubished after starting Pathfinder so I'm of to play guess the art and see what you might have "reused" :)
Allow me to say again how awesome that Dragonne is. Now that's fantasy art!
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I went to my local gaming store and picked up PF#20. I didn't even have to tell them what free product I wanted. They pulled it from the box for me when I walked in. Paizo gets all my gaming dollars.
I was in Philadelphia for the weekend and didn't get to a game store. I popped into Fandom II today (which I assume is the FLGS you're going to) and managed to get their last copy. :)
Well I've got all the stuff you've pubished after starting Pathfinder so I'm of to play guess the art and see what you might have "reused" :)Unless you own absolutely everything we've published, including all of the Pathfinder Society scenarios (in which case, bless your heart), a LOT of the "reused" art is going to be completely new to you.
We can make a list - it'll be fun!
I was very partial to the allip, myself. Shadowy, otherworldly art for an incorporeal undead spirit! Infinitely cooler than the 3e Monster Manual cartoon one! Alas, it was too abstract for my wife; she prefers the MM one for some reason. Diff'rent strokes, and all.
Allow me to say again how awesome that Dragonne is. Now that's fantasy art!And, of course, the dragonne is re-used art. Which tells me it's doing it's job anyway! :)
Oh I didn't notice that, where is it from originally?
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Unless you own absolutely everything we've published, including all of the Pathfinder Society scenarios (in which case, bless your heart), a LOT of the "reused" art is going to be completely new to you.
I'm one of those you just blessed and I'm not upset in the least! If I can get more Paizo by you spreading the effort, by all means keep it up.
Yay! Erik blessed my heart! Do I get a morale bonus for that?Unless you own absolutely everything we've published, including all of the Pathfinder Society scenarios (in which case, bless your heart), a LOT of the "reused" art is going to be completely new to you.
That counts as a +3 if I recall
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Yay! Erik blessed my heart! Do I get a morale bonus for that?Unless you own absolutely everything we've published, including all of the Pathfinder Society scenarios (in which case, bless your heart), a LOT of the "reused" art is going to be completely new to you.
If you own all that stuff, you should know that your heart now gets a +1 morale bonus to attack rolls and saves against fear! :)
I am correct. Some day, I hope to be blessed. :D
Was the dragonne in Second Darkness? I have some of my stuff packed already.
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Unless you own absolutely everything we've published, including all of the Pathfinder Society scenarios (in which case, bless your heart), a LOT of the "reused" art is going to be completely new to you.
Planet stories is it, I managed with the mag sales to fill in my missing Dragon and Dungeon mags since you guys did those. I guess that makes me a fangirl or something then.
I was very partial to the allip, myself. Shadowy, otherworldly art for an incorporeal undead spirit! Infinitely cooler than the 3e Monster Manual cartoon one! Alas, it was too abstract for my wife; she prefers the MM one for some reason. Diff'rent strokes, and all.
Oddly, that art was originally a belker. Well, they've been cut, so...
Unless you own absolutely everything we've published, including all of the Pathfinder Society scenarios (in which case, bless your heart), a LOT of the "reused" art is going to be completely new to you.
Even if it's not, I don't think I've ever seen a good piece of art a second time in a different place and been upset about it. It's still good art, after all. Seems to make about as much sense as having to hear a great song again on a "Best of" album.
whats she in tell us! Crosses fingers and hopes greater Medusa made it in
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whats she in tell us! Crosses fingers and hopes greater Medusa made it in
Shhhh, it is a secret from everybody.
And yeah, I'm hoping for greater medusae too, complete with lethally poisonous blood.
Oh yes, loved the TOH art for them. Thats not to bad, wish I could get a better view but I like it
Andrew Hou. quality = expense. That's definetly in the book. I expect to see any work by Steve PRescott, Andrew Hou, Benn Wooten and if WAyne Reynolds ever did any interior work for paizo him too, all will have many monsters in the book.
Actually has prescott done any interior work?
Hopefull this means that the hezrou from PF #17 made it into the book! *fingers crossed*
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I get to retract my previous statement where I mentioned that the only place in my location that was doing Free RPG day was a Comic Book joint that closed down awhile back.
Turns out that they had MOVED somewhere else and the location was not only remote but their business sign had been stolen TWICE so attracting people on this little side road was really hard on them.
On the plus side when I found them and talked about things and the Free RPG Day that had passed, they had plenty of stuff left over. They gave me a Warhammer 40k book, a White Wolf book, and best of all the Bonus Bestiary.
They ALSO told me that Pathfinder books have been really popular there and they don't have any on the shelves because they sell them all.
So with that in mind, I would like to thank Paizo for inadvertantly causing me to go on a search for this awesome store with awesome staff. Also, I will now be doing all my gaming business there as I enjoy them WAY better then the other shop we had setup here.
... I also got to see Transformers that day and got to buy a Soul Calibur 2 Ivy figure in the same day.
Transformers, Ivy, and Pathfinder ... damn that day rocked.
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Andrew Hou. quality = expense. That's definetly in the book. I expect to see any work by Steve PRescott, Andrew Hou, Benn Wooten and if WAyne Reynolds ever did any interior work for paizo him too, all will have many monsters in the book.
Actually has prescott done any interior work?
Hopefull this means that the hezrou from PF #17 made it into the book! *fingers crossed*
Prescott has done interior work, but not as much lately. He's mostly a cover guy when he works for Paizo.
Prescott has done interior work, but not as much lately. He's mostly a cover guy when he works for Paizo.Andrew Hou. quality = expense. That's definetly in the book. I expect to see any work by Steve PRescott, Andrew Hou, Benn Wooten and if WAyne Reynolds ever did any interior work for paizo him too, all will have many monsters in the book.
Actually has prescott done any interior work?
Hopefull this means that the hezrou from PF #17 made it into the book! *fingers crossed*
Fair enough, in ways its great that these artists are gettinh their kudos, in others I'll miss their fantastic interior art.
Like the 3.5e MM Leonal. If I could get paizo any image to use for the Bestiary it would be that.
I'm big on the art, and in that department I know paizo wont let me down!
Just curious - is the Huecuva's CMD off by 1?
Seems like it should be 15. (10 + 2(bab) + 1(str) + 2(dex))
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Here is my Gray Render conversion
Gray Render CR 8 (4,800 XP)
Large Usually Neutral Magical Beast
Init: +0, Senses: Darkvision 60 ft, Low light vision, Scent, Perception +10
AC: 19, touch 9, flat footed 19 (-1 size, +10 natural)
hp: 125 (10d10+70)
Fort: +14, Ref: +7, Will: +4
Speed: 30 ft
Melee: Bite +15 (2d6+6)
Melee: 2 claw +10 (1d6+3)
Space: 10 ft, Reach: 10 ft
Special Attacks: Improved Grab, Rend (2d6+6)
Attack Options: Cleave, Great Cleave, Improved Bull Rush, Power Attack
Str: 23, Dex: 10, Con 24, Int: 3, Wis: 12, Cha: 8
Base Atk: +10, CMB: +17,CMD: 27
Feats: Cleave, Great Cleave, Improved Bull Rush, Power Attack, Track
Skills: Perception +10, Stealth +2, Survival +3
Environment: Temperate Marshes
Organization: Solitary
Treasure Value: 3,350 gp
Improved Grab (Ex): To use this ability the gray render must first hit with its bite attack. It can then initiate a grapple attempt without provoking an attack of opportunity.
Rend (Ex): If the gray render succeeds in its grapple attempt, it establishes a hold, latching into its opponent and tearing its flesh. This attack inflicts 2d6+6 damage.
I remember reading that CMD doesn't include STR. Given that, the CMD of 14 should be correct.
I think it includes STR. From the Bonus Bestiary Intro:
A creature’s CMD is equal to 10 + its Strength modifier + its Dexterity modifier + its base attack bonus + the special size modifier. In addition, a creature can add any bonuses that would normally apply to its Armor Class, except for armor, natural armor, shield, and size bonuses.
All the other CMD values follow that formula, just not the huecuva. Maybe undead don't include STR? Dunno...
I remember reading that CMD doesn't include STR. Given that, the CMD of 14 should be correct.I think it includes STR. From the Bonus Bestiary Intro:
A creature’s CMD is equal to 10 + its Strength modifier + its Dexterity modifier + its base attack bonus + the special size modifier. In addition, a creature can add any bonuses that would normally apply to its Armor Class, except for armor, natural armor, shield, and size bonuses.All the other CMD values follow that formula, just not the huecuva. Maybe undead don't include STR? Dunno...
That's pretty clearly laid out in the book, isn't it? I have no clue where I got the other idea. Probably the voices in my head.
So, yeah, it might be an error, or it could be that undead don't get to apply STR to CMD, like you said.