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sacrelicious2 wrote:

The issue at the heart of this is "What is an instance of damage". You seem to be thinking that the fire damage is the same instance of damage as the slashing, but I don't think that holds up.

The example on page 408 has an attack with multiple types of damage exactly like the fire and slashing damage you mention here. In the case of the example cold iron and slashing rather than Fire and Slashing as you mentioned. The example specifically states that in these circumstances only the highest applies.

Cold iron isn't a distinct damage type from the slashing. It's a modifier to it. See the rules for precious materials: https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=2308

sacrelicious2 wrote:

This has interesting implications for Thaumaturges. Let's say the thaumaturge used Personal Antithesis to grant a creature weakness 5 to it's strikes. If the strike is doing multiple damage types, which damage type does it apply the damage to? The Personal Antithesis feature doesn't specify, just that they have weakness to your strikes. RAW, I would think this means that the weakness gets applied to each damage type separately, given that we are treating them as distinct damage instances.

I would say from the rules that for the purposes of weaknesses (and resistances) you can only apply the extra damage from one weakness. So in this example you would be applying the highest value of weakness that applies. For example: if you have succeeded in applying Personal Antithesis with an attack that also does slashing and fire damage, the extra damage applied would be the highest of Personal Antithesis, Weakness to Slashing Weapons or weakness to Fire.

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The issue at the heart of this is "What is an instance of damage". You seem to be thinking that the fire damage is the same instance of damage as the slashing, but I don't think that holds up. What about spells that do multiple damage types, like Cataclysm: https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=1460

All those damages are applied from the same save. Are they the same instance of damage? If not, why is this different from strikes with multiple damage types?

Let's say you have a rogue using a flaming shortsword, and he does a sneak attack. After hitting, he does his damage rolls and does 5 piercing, 4 fire and 3 precision damage. Are these damage types treated as separate instances in regards to immunities, weaknesses and resistances? Or are they combined into a single damage instance with multiple damage types, meaning one damage instance of 12 piercing/fire/precision damage?

The former seems to make a lot more sense, but I don't see it explicitly called out anywhere in the books. The only thing I can find that implies multiple damage types should be treated independently is in the Resistances section:

"It's possible to have resistance to all damage. When an effect deals damage of multiple types and you have resistance to all damage, apply the resistance to each type of damage separately. If an attack would deal 7 slashing damage and 4 fire damage, resistance 5 to all damage would reduce the slashing damage to 2 and negate the fire damage entirely."

Now, if we treat it as a combined damage instance, this means that if the rogue is attacking an enemy with precision immunity, the attack would deal 0 damage, since the instance has the precision type.

This has interesting implications for Thaumaturges. Let's say the thaumaturge used Personal Antithesis to grant a creature weakness 5 to it's strikes. If the strike is doing multiple damage types, which damage type does it apply the damage to? The Personal Antithesis feature doesn't specify, just that they have weakness to your strikes. RAW, I would think this means that the weakness gets applied to each damage type separately, given that we are treating them as distinct damage instances.

There are also interesting implications for Double Slice when using weapons with different damage types. How can they be combined if they are different types?

Reading the first part of the book, it's not really clear how far outside of town the players are supposed to start. Given that the section talks about events that happen at different times of day, it sounds like they are supposed to be a significant distance from town, but it's pretty vague. The only thing we know is that we are somewhere east of the river, but it's not clear how far east.

Influence points are accumulated on an NPC, not on individual PCs; this way an entire party can work together to influence an NPC. Thus, when the Ren Mei Li's Influence points reach 4, and if none of the PCs involved in the encounter can succeed at the DC 24 Diplomacy check, that's when she casts outcast curse on a random PC.

Ok, that makes sense. It's just that the way it's worded in the stat block is confusing. What is the effect of this phrase: "failure at the Diplomacy check results in her casting outcast’s curse on the attempted diplomat instead." It was unclear if failure here meant an individual failure, or a group failure. Especially the 'instead' part, which makes it sound like it is a distinct outcome from the preceding line. If this whole line were to be omitted, then your explanation above would be the clearly communicated intent.

Also, I am assuming that the Caster DC for outcast's curse is 34, per the jorogumo stat block. This is an incredibly hard DC for the level, and most player's are going to at least fail, if not crit fail, meaning the effect's are permanent. What options do the players have for removing this? Assuming there is a caster with access to the spell in the party, they still need to hit the 34 DC to counteract, which is still incredibly hard. A level 8 caster can have at most a +16 (8 from level, 4 from expert and 4 from attribute), meaning they have to roll an 18 or higher. There is no one in town who could cast the spell at a higher level, and even Shinzo doesn't have the spell in their stat block.

The best chance the player's have to remove it is to buy a 5th rank dispel magic scroll from Shinzo for 150 gp, as that will still counteract a 4th rank spell on a failure. Of course, if the player's roll a crit fail (7 or lower), they still fail to counteract and lose the scroll.

I am not sure how to parse this part of Ren Mei Li's influence stat block

Influence 4 Lady Ren becomes annoyed that the PCs
are ruining her game by being so influential. Each PC
should attempt a DC 24 Diplomacy check. If no one
succeeds, she casts outcast’s curse on a random PC;
failure at the Diplomacy check results in her casting
outcast’s curse on the attempted diplomat instead.
If the PCs attack in response, proceed with “Parting
Ways” (page 42).

What happens if 1 player succeeds and the rest fail? Does she cast the spell 3 times? It seems like this is a worse outcome than having everyone fail, in which case she just picks one target at random.

I am creating a wiki in the strengthofthousands subreddit to act as a reference guide for GMs running the adventure path. I am wondering what I would be allowed to add to the wiki from the adventure path that would fall within the fair use guidelines. I am mostly wondering about things like character portraits and other images from the PDFs.

Trying to filter my digital content by Single File download type returns a seemingly random selection of files, including both the Single File and File Per Chapter versions of about half of my content.