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Make a fantasy EVE. Id sub for life! (its kinda what I was hoping PFO would be :()

If I can't walk away from the game for 10 minutes without the possibility of being killed and, possibly, my stuff taken, then there's no reason for me to be playing the game. Because that would not be enjoyable to me.

There's nothing in the game that would discourage that kind of behavior, there is no way to actually give consequences that can't be worked around as they are in the real world.

Just because YOU won't do it, doesn't mean 1-in-50 people aren't going to do it and I don't want to play with those people.

I don't know how much more clear I can be than that.

Even the idea of having a non-PvP server was dismissed with a handwave.

Currently in PFO if you don't live in the south, you'll see zero pvp you don't want to be apart of. and the pvp in the south is due to bad diplomacy. I think there's ONE character in the game who actually murderhobo's people. The Reputation systems actually do a very good job of making people think about killing that afk person..

As one of the more hardcore pvp'ers, I've walked by many people I found off in the woods just standing around. Sometimes because I felt like being nice, other times because I figured that the rep loss was not worth the possibility of them having loot.

but from what I can tell from your posts, your not interested in a sandbox MMO. but more of a Themepark, or purely Co-op game.

Who better to profile then Benevolent Dictator Phyllain Or the Stab Happy Tink, who has come up with many great idea changes (some used, some not), such as the buffing of Thornguards, and rootable ranged attacks way back in alpha:D

(I may be a little Biased those opinions though :D)

*All hail Phyllain! Benevolent Dictator of Xeilias! And Golgotha, the throne upon which he sits!*

His eyes swollen, and face redden from tears, the old lumberjack clutch at the small polished stone. A stone that was given to him, by a old drunk beggar, sitting outside of Beelzepub, the tavern in the Capital of the Empire, Golgotha.

He knew what to do with it, he's heard to the rumors and stories, of the magic stones that the Necromancers of Golgotha enchanted that allowed people to talk, and others listen.

But what he didn't understand, is how did a beggar come by one of these priceless stones. And not just any enchanted stone, one of THESE stones... Twirling it in his hands, he saw the small carving of a hand, on the smooth flat top of the stone.

His mind made up, the lumberjack pulled his knife from his belt, and slide it across his hand, drawing the crimson blood from his body. Gripping the stone in the bloodied hand, he recited a poem only the desperate would ever even think:

When the worgs of war are howling,
The fields empty of farmers plowing,
The children of widows are crying,
The warlords, sitting there smiling,
In will set the panic
When doomed is your land
Remember these words of magic,
and whisper "The Bloody Hand"

With knuckles gone white from squeezing the stone, the man heaved himself up. The tears flowing down his face once again, he walked out the door of his little shack, to a small freshly turned patch of dirt, the lumberjack crumbled to his knees. Staring at a small pile of rocks at the end of dirt, the man started to openly sob;
soon, soon my son. All will be right again, and that scum will be taken from this world!

After getting up from what seemed like hours of sobbing, the lumberjack turned to go back inside but was confronted by a cloaked figure.

no words spoken, the two just stared at each other. The man did not need the light of day to know who the figure was, gazing into the orange-red eyes of Tigari. There were few Tieflings in Golgotha, and even fewer who would be here, now.

Who? was all Tigari asked, in a voice just above a whisper.

He.. he..he killed my son, that bastard! He murdered him, then blamed it on that half-wit who lived next to him!

Tigari slightly raised his eyebrow, for he heard the stories floating around the slums of Auroral.

I know what really happened! It doesn't take much to realized! Just look at the size difference of their hands; between the halfwit and that bastard merchant Jonta Kal'gin.

Upon getting his answer, Tigari proposed the next single worded questoin.
Payment?

still locked in stares, the lumberjack new the only acceptable answer. For he was poor, and had not the money to offer.
I guess I'm lucky they sent you, for many have heard of the rumors and stories about you. I offer you the ultimate price, My soul

Of course they would send Tigari, for the moment the man spoke into the stone, the necromancers in The Bloody Hand knew of his situation.

Not many assassins will take payments other than coin. Yet for Tigari, there was a payment worth MUCH more then gold, but only those truely desperate would offer it.

I shall return after the deed is done as Tigari turned and walked back into the shadows.

Tigari though to himself; rolling a small knife with a dark green gem set into it's hilt
Once I fill this soul gem, I'll be one more closer of the many still needed to having enough, enough to draw the attention of that no good father of mine. THEN I shall put my skills to the test."

Hey Q, using the words "northern coalition " , when talking about agreements in the north is a bad idea, since THE Northern Coalition is the name for the NAP with EoX, Aragon and Freevale.

Black Moria, If you can PM me the names. We can't deal with problems if we don't actually know the facts. Golgothans should know not to start pvp around Marchmont. IF the names cannot be provided, I have to assume it did not happen OR you cannot actually claim they were "established" Golgothans. Thank You

Yay!! Tink called me his friend!!

But yes, most of the fun is hanging with your friends. Even grinding crappy escalations have it's fun moments, specially hearing mages swear at certain melee people jumping into the fray just as the AoE's are released and mages lose rep :D. Or mindlessly gathering and finding that other line gatherer/mobile node.

Tig = Tigari

For those who don't speak with me on TS :D

I don't attack my friends ( or even loot their corpses ) :D

I'm his friend that's what. He asked a question and was given an inappropriate answer. All I'm looking for is an answer from the people that matter. It's apperant that they won't give him one and keep focusing on the fact I won't let it drop.

Erian, Thod asked a simple question. He was then given an answer. I saw possible flaws in said answer, so as a friend spoke up.

If that was the case then I wouldn't be here and someone better at this foruming would be feeding Thod things to say.

Thod is MY friend and I see possible holes in things being said in this thread, so I'm speaking up for him..

And Avari, again your just reiterating my point. A claim was made against a member of Phaeros, and then a recommendation of action (an action of itself) was brought to the EBA level. No actions were desided. So by KP and BH saying they will not engage hostile actions against EL if they get their stuff from Hammferfall, does not mean Phaeros won't.

So going back to Thods question, can he expect hostilities if he attempts to retrieve his stuff? Or is Phaeros going to continue to skirt the question?

Actually you guys made this an EBA matter by bringing the option of revoking EL's privilege to EBA TERRITORY. Thod just made a post calling out Decius, then EBA responded. Not one entity my butt. And nice try trying to change subjects, that means I'm hitting the right spot

That's exactly my point Avari. I'm on my phone so not able to quote, but if this is being handle on a settlement level, both Brighthaven and Keepers Pass have chimmed in saying they are not going to be hostile (yet) to Thod (per his question if his members are no longer allowed in EBA territory, and if he's able to get his stuff from Hammerfall), BUT Phaeros has not, meaning they could treat Thod and EL with Hostilities until stated otherwise

Because they're able to change their minds. They don't HAVE to follow EBA policy. In fact the only reason something IS EBA policy is because at the time all settlements agreed to it, the second one settlement no longer agrees with a policy, it's no longer an "EBA Policy", making the term almost useless.
After these events Phaeros could have changed there minds and now start aggression towards Thod and EL. Until we hear from a Phaeros rep, I wouldn't take the possibility off the table.

Going to step in and use this example as I see a possible loophole that Thod may not.

So, according to your policies each settlement has to individually agree to this, and I've only seen Keepers Pass and Brighthaven agree to this. Does Phaeros, the actual settlement of the accused agree, and will they also not attack Thod or his people?

Nihimon wrote:

One of the nice things about being Free and Conscientious is that we don't have to have an elaborately worded document that everyone has to abide by to the letter. We generally back the plays of our friends and allies, and they generally call good plays.

Sorry, there is nothing about being Free and Conscientious that precludes the existence of an elaborately worded document, nor vice versa. I don't understand the point being made.

One issue with not having an elaborately worded document is that there can be no expectation of understanding by anyone else.

It's Just Nihimon doing what he does. He's trying to be witty and take a stab at someone.

In this case I'm assuming its Pax and our use of carefully worded documents/Policies.

I remember at one point many people telling me and my group that Perception is Everything. To many the EBA is one Entity. They ACT like one Entity, they LOOK like one entity, they must be one entity.

If they want to have each settlement deal on their own, fine, it's their group. But don't make the mistake, they are one group.

Remember when they told everyone that they didn't have an alliance? that they were just talking about where to settle together? It's the same here.

From my view, one BIG reason for doing it like this is it leaves MANY loopholes open for them. Anytime one settlement tires of a contract, just have another EBA settlement find a way to become hostile with them, and boom, they can null the contract. And if their smart, they will have this little cancellation clause in their contracts about hostility with other EBA settlements

So, a deal cannot be made with 'The EBA', but has to be made with each settlement?

and

If a deal is made with one settlement, and conflicts starts up with another settlement, can we expect the first settlement to break the agreement?

Are you making a claim of territory and describing prohibited behavior? You might have a point under Courts Are For Kings, if you had made a suitable public claim about your territory.

If you want to claim a looting policy in your area, feel free to do so. I suggest also declaring a travel policy, harvesting policy, and escalation policy at the same time.

But you didn't. You just decided to act as though you had set a policy, without even explaining what the policy you didn't set in advance was.

So let's hear it: what territory does EL claim that it's laws apply within, what are those laws, and what is the punishment for violating them?

LOL I read this and pictured a devil in a lawyers suit. This is one of the most Lawful Evil things I have heard in these forums yet... *claps hands*

(Note: As you claimed to be TN, your allowed your LE moments so not accusing of not playing your stated alignment)

You are misunderstanding me Vrel. I mean withing the settlement itself, not the lands surrounding. And I did not mean any of the times I myself was attacked, as I perfectly understand why I was attacked and would expect nothing less. Nihimon himself already addressed the issue I pointed out by saying he was just defending himself and was not the one who attacked first within Keepers Pass.

The main reason I personally (not speaking for any settlement or group) is I'm interested and like what he's doing. I want to see it take off and how he builds it's. For me that's enought reason to assist him when he needs a little help.

"Stop your complaining, you confused halfling! We're killing thing and getting coin. It's what we're good at. I'd prefer a true assassination contract for something a little more special too, but giving this "Ogg" fellow a final resting place could add some more credentials to 'Tig and Tink's Stabbing Business'

Actually KP is supposed to be Combat Free, and from your version of the story it seems TSV broke that KP rule.

I tried to get a peek in there, but the security was pretty tight. My reputation must have spread from TSV because even the trainers there said my rep was too low, haven't tried again since raising my rep slightly ( finally around -3800 last night!!)

That or you know, Not being able to train or enter a settlement. Last time I listen to someone on these boards, specially when they're spouting the word "Lazy".

Sorry, Gol Tigari, but unless you are a alias of Gol Tink (and it don't seem so), your build has little to do with Gol Tink position.

His position is that there is little difference between his character and that of a character build for PvE combat. Not between yours and that of a PvE combatant.

From what you say your build is similar to that of my PvE combatant, but I have a good crunch of XP into crafting skills (to be able to make my arrows when we will stat using ammunitions and to get the dexterity high enough). As I tend to play alone for time zone problem I have privileged defense, making a heavy armor switch hitter. But, like in EVE, that work well when fighting NPC alone, not for PvP. When the PvP players is set to stack conditions on you, having a good armor don't help. You need to be able to kill or incapacitate him rapidly.
A PvErs will try to find what combos work better on NPC and stick to them, a PvPers will try to find what combo work better against PC.
Even at this early stage they are different builds.

Pretty sure he was comparing his build (as a pvp'er) to that of a PVE'er. I am doing the same. PVE'er builds can be just as effective in PVP.

And my "PVP" build was done to Farm Mordant Spire mobs (PVE). As that was what we were doing alot of at the time of my early xp days.

If people are not aware, Gol = Golgotha. Its how some of the original (and i think a couple of the newer) people show they represent Golgotha.

Gol Tink wrote:

I have dumped almost the entirety of my main characters XP into being a better PvP combatant. My build is nearly identical to that of a PvE combatant, though I probably use a few different utilities than they do.

I doubt that your build is so similar to that of a PvE combatant.

A PvE combatant would have spent a good number of XP in knowledge skills to get more loot. How many you have spent there?
AFAIK a good number of conditions don't work on NPCs while they work on PCs. I am fairly sure that your actions bars are different from those of a PvE combatant and more efficients at killing PCs.

Actually I bet my build is pretty similar to a PVE build. I have rank 3 in most of my Knowledge skills, expect arcane, that is 2, and i have 6 Geography, and 7 Local. PLUS I have Forester 7, miner 3, Dowser3. Everything else goes to combat (But I'm no where near Min/max) as I have dipped into odd things to experiment with some things.

EDIT:I also have 35k Xp to boot, from not being able to enter a town to train.

Gol Tigari wrote:

Is it really a war though?

My impression was that it is a cold war at most. Or just rivalry. And that the driver for it is the need to have some pvp in the game more than anything else.

something something about Golgatha playing the villains the game needs.

maybe I'm naive, but what I've seen so far is a bunch of players wanting the game to succeed and able to cooperate just fine in the background while fighting and looting each other in the foreground.

I'm hoping this is the case. A war would be long, and drawn out, not fun IMO. a "fued between settlements" (not to be confused with the future Fued mechanic between Companies) would be fine, and fun. A short term thing. But I keep seeing the word "War", and I can go and neglect my duties in PFO's First War.

LOL, tryn to make me look like a crazy person... The people on Golgotha TS would be proud of you.

That's what I'm trying to find out.

Is it really a war though? Or is it just giving us what we've been asking for? I mean, if its an actual call of War, I can go back to doing what my job in warfare is, Spec ops/black ops style missions, liking hindering your supply. This mean hunting gatherers and people comming in to trade.

Now, if its just some friendly pvp, I can continue to just enjoy the little WoT skirmishes we've been having, something I'd rather do, as I sorely miss being able to enter Beautiful Golgotha. But, I will do as the Empire needs of me.

It's very simple, actually.

If you set up a trade agreement, they will honor it to the letter.

If you pay tribute, they will leave you alone.

They follow their own code and will not break it.

Those are the actions of a lawful state. If you don't have an agreement with them, then there is no law preventing them from doing what they want, hence lawful Evil. "What's yours is mine, unless we have an agreement that says otherwise."

(Golgothans are free to correct my statement)

I would say this is fairly accurate. Our "banditing" is more of there's not much other pvp in the game. WOT wasn't a reason to PvP, with the changes, we'll see if that changes.

We've also been very open with diplomats, anyone who wanted to start up diplomatic talks with the Empire of Xeilias can go Here

From what I saw, A LOT of people did not like the first changes to the towers, because it would put the smaller guys at a larger disadvantage. The small guys rose up and spoke their minds, and in turn GW came up with the current War of Towers that we see.

Gol Tigari wrote:

DeciusBrutus wrote:

What wasn't fun for the last week was a pattern where Gologthans camped out around Keeper's Pass in moderate numbers, killed a few individuals until word spread and a small response could arrive, and then ran away.

Our moderate number was always between 3-7, and your small responses where normally double that, it wouldn't be too smart to stick around..

So it wasn't fun for you either. Change is good.

Oh, no. I had fun. Doing Hit and runs can be more fun then even pvp. The rush you get when you do get a kill against extreme odds is one of the best fillings (For me).

If you do it enough you can't. I'm not able to enter any town, even my own, due to low rep(from bandit activities.)

What wasn't fun for the last week was a pattern where Gologthans camped out around Keeper's Pass in moderate numbers, killed a few individuals until word spread and a small response could arrive, and then ran away.

Our moderate number was always between 3-7, and your small responses where normally double that, it wouldn't be too smart to stick around..

Alot has changed since these blogs, but here is what is written so far:

This one just hits on it
I shot a man in reno just to watch him die

This one goes a little more into it
Join forces underground

Haikido Mara wrote:

I am waiting to hear about 4 person group that tackled the 7 person not so new MMO players and won.

Haikido, you won't hear that. Why? Because the PvP'ers that so often claim they want a greater PvP challenge really don't want that. They weigh risk vs. reward in their engagements. They look for low risk and high reward. Anything south of that and they probably won't engage.

This is a blatent lie. There has been MANY times we through our faces at your zerg. And one of the few times we actually outnumbered your zerg, we lowered our numbers to make it even. we're willing to gake on a challenge, and we've gone up against people 5(us)vs8(them, and not gathereres) and won. We won't continouly throw ourselves at your when its 2:1. that's not a challenge, that stupidity or extreame boredom.

When we look at a fight, our first question is "do we have a chance at winning?" if yes, most of us are already running in, and can't to do any more questions. I'm not down there being a bandit to take your stuff, that's just the bonus.

It's much easier for us to just go take someone else's towers than to try to defend ours.

If they changed the tower mechanics, where defenders actually count against the offending points, then it is prob worth it to defend them. We get the pvp we want, AND it's not a waste of time (defending may actually be possible)

IN MY OWN OPINION, if they're willing to leave over this, they're probably not capable of actually running a settlement. Their best choice would be to join another settlement. I already think to many settlements where put on the map. I think 15-20(or even 18. 3 for original landrush, and 15 for second) would have been much better then 33.

I don't like seeing people go, but maybe this is not their game. Down the road, we will be losing settlements, years and years of hard work. Sure, if I ever lose Golgotha, I'd be terribly sad, but I'm at least AWARE it can happen.

I think you misunderstand, we are not tryn to "grind their settlement into the dirt". They are merely a juicy target near where we were hunting. We are not directly targeting BWG.

EDIT: I think what was ment by we wont stop is; We wont stop doing pvp in the most active area of the map, and we wont stop our normal rule of if not in our group target it.

really? Assassins and Assassination contracts sound fun to me. Have ever since they announced it in the Blog WAY back when. Main thing I plan on doing in the game.

Gol Tigari wrote:

Um..reputation has an effect. I haven't been able to step foot inside a town in going on a little over a week. I can't train, every time I feel up my bags from PVE/Gathering, I have to have someone else on to take my items from me to be banked..it sucks.

And yet you still engage in indiscriminate murder regularly. The impact is not meaningful.

That's not true, now your misinforming people. I have not killed a single person outside of a pvp hex, that has not attacked me first. I do want to get back into town and train, and not require people to ferry my goods to the bank. SO the rep system is working just fine. Trust me, I spend MUCH more time up near Golgotha doing gathering/PVE then I do pvp.

Um..reputation has an effect. I haven't been able to step foot inside a town in going on a little over a week. I can't train, every time I feel up my bags from PVE/Gathering, I have to have someone else on to take my items from me to be banked..it sucks. And I did it due to another thread where the word "Lazy" was thrown around way to much. Most bandits don't actually kill you guys enough to get their rep as low as mine. A couple hover over the boarder, but I'm the only one (that I know of) that took the hit to get to -7500. I'm semi-glad I did, because I found a few bugs in the process.

EDIT: to add, alot of the pvp that is being done (not all) is done in a pvp hex. Don't want to pvp? Increase your chances and stay out of a pvp open hex.

"Rep is a currency, it should be spent". - Benevolent Dictator

Can I take a line of credit out on it?

I was with Stormweaver tonight and if this is what Pathfinder Online is, then I not only won't be paying for it, I won't be playing out my kick starter subscription.

I've been ambushed, killed, looted, and then killed again as soon as I respawned 5 times the last 2 times I've logged in.

I don't see the point of wasting my time or money on a game that I was assured wasn't going to be a PVP only game.

You also happen to be in the HIGHEST pvp area of the map. If you move up north (far north) I doubt you'd see much pvp.

hm..I think I can handle stars.

OH, Mighty King of the Otters, Allow me to join you in your path of murder and mayham! Let Tig be the one to occationally fire arrows into your backside, while aiming at your charged target!

After gulping down the drink set in front of him, Tig slurs a quick "ah, this should work juuu...." then face plants into the bar in front of him.