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Guy Humual wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Assuming of course that there really is such a good/bad cop scam. Which I think is bull, but if there is then the only path to doing something about it is outside the political system they control.
Hear! Hear!
You see that thejeff? You're encouraging anarchy.

Propaganda by the deed! Rat-a-tat-tat!


The Anarchists vs. the Islamic State: On the front lines of Syria with the young American radicals fighting ISIS

Mostly just sharing to get some use out of the anarchist assassin avatar, but I wonder if Rolling Stone brings up the accusations of low-level YPG ethnic cleansing of Sunni Arabs and Syrian Turkmen?


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Anarchist Monopoly


...I do have an undead anarchist assassin avatar.

I don't know enough about anarchist theory to know who these anarcho-libertarians you speak of, but if they are Americans and are into markets, they are probably the former.

Back in the day, say, mid-19th century, all the anarchists and the communists hung out in the same bars and at the same picket lines, and "communism" wasn't particularly associated with Marx or his followers, so both groups tended to use the term and they both also tended to interchange it freely with "socialism."

For example, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, usually considered the father of anarchism (even though, as I understand it, he didn't call himself one for long), guy who coined the phrase "Property is theft," was buddies for a couple of years with Marx, but they ended up disagreeing on stuff. Marx waited until Pierre published his opus, The Philosophy of Poverty and Marx wrote a savage critique of it which he called The Poverty of Philosophy and then they ceased being friends thereafter.

For two other examples, leading anarchist theorists Max Stirner and Mikhail Bakunin were in the same philosophers gang/drinking club with Frederick Engels, Die Freien.

I think Mikhail and Fred fought on the barricades together in Baden during the 1848 revolutions, but I might be getting him confused with somebody else (apparently, Richard Wagner was there, too).

Either way, when The International Workingman's Association (also called The First International) was formed, both followers of Marx (then known as "socialists" or, more accurately, "social democrats") and Bakunin coexisted in the same groups, at least until Marx got them all kicked out.

So, my point being, the terms had nebulous and somewhat interchangeable meanings back in the day.

"Anarcho-communism," as I understand it, was a particular school of anarchism founded by a Russian nobleman named Peter Kropotkin in, I believe, the waning years of the 19th century. It relied a lot on the concept of "mutualism," but, to be honest, I don't know much about it.

"Communism" didn't become "Communism as we think of it today" until after the Bolshevik faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party changed their name to the Communist Party after they had already pulled of the October Revolution of 1917.


Speaking of which,

Republicans, remember the fate of McKinley!

[Rat-a-tat-tat! Ka-boom!]

Propaganda of the deed!

(I wasn't a syndicalist.)


#berndownforwhat


And anarchists, to be fair.


Rat-a-tat-tat!


I believe Ms. Le Guin is an anarchist of some stripe.


There was an amusing anecdote that I heard from an an-cap, though.

Apparently, Bastiat and Proudhon were both elected delegates to the National Assembly, or whatever it was, that resulted out of the 1848 revolution before the ascension to power of Napoleon II. Apparently, they sat next to each other in the Assembly and spent the long hours arguing vociferously with each other about everything under the sun. But when it came time to vote, they always voted the same.

[Looks out the window]

Oh, here's Mr. Comrade.

Vive le Galt!


Despite my awesome undead anarchist assassin avatar, I don't know much about anarchist theory, so if anyone knows more please speak up, but:

Anarcho-capitalism was thought up (finding it hard to find a neutral verb) by Murray Rothbard in like, I don't know, the sixties or something.

The King of Bow Ties

Wikipedia sez he "synthesized elements from the Austrian School of economics, classical liberalism, and 19th-century American individualist anarchists."

So, from what I'm picking up, anarcho-capitalism derives its "anarchism" from a small subset (19th-century American individualists) of a small subset (individualists) of the anarchist movement.

I have to confess that I don't know much about the Stirner wing of anarchism, but a quick, and I do stress quick, glance at the pages of Benjamin Tucker and Lysander Spooner (whom I had never heard of, either) looks like they're pretty squarely on the broader (i.e., non-Marxist) left. Most strands of anarchism (dudes mentioned above and their followers, Black Bloc-types, anarcho-syndicalists, liberals with fits of delusion like Chomsky, etc.), though, are without a doubt "far left."


'S made up bullshiznit.

Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin, Malatesta, Bookchin, they're all vomiting in their graves. (Just like my avatar.)

Down with an-caps!


[Wires the thread with explosives]

Ha ha ha! Propaganda by the deed! Long live Anarchy!!!

[Blows up thread]


I politely disagree.

Nerd riot!!!


Property is theft!

Down with Obamacare!

For free, quality health care for all!

Vive le Galt!


Sic temper tyrannis!

Although as far as assassins go, neither Brutus nor Booth make my Top 10 list. And, uh, I wouldn't want to see Comrade Freehold dead, just, you know, exiled to Monaco with a couple billion bucks and free subscriptions to the Paizo line(s) of his choice.


SmiloDan wrote:

A gaping hole that could not be filled by an exchange of goods and/or services?

Hee hee!

She was such a hawtie, even if she was a petty-bourgeois shopkeeper, peddling superstition and obscurantism to the anti-Hellmouth masses. IIRC, she also had something to do with the creation of my Undead Leon Czolgosz avatar.


True dat.


GeraintElberion wrote:

Ah, right, I did read the wiki and still didn't get it but it seems like my flippant comment to Mikaze was right: he's not celebrated for making great reforms or anything like that, everyone just wants to point out that he was a tough, manly-man guy.

The Putin electoral strategy.

I don't really get that whole thing: people who just want to be (or even are) defined as TOUGH GUYS just seem like they're trapped in the mental state of childish, immature 19-year olds, fascinated and thrilled by their own virility without ever recognising the hollow narcissism of that attitude.

I'm not saying that the real Roosevelt was like that, I don't know enough about him, but that is the version of him which is being celebrated when I would expect people to look down on that as rather silly and immature.

They also named teddy bears after him. Don't remember that being mentioned. Do they have teddy bears in Britain, Geraint?


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[Indiscriminately shoots up the thread]

It's the People's Will! Vive le Galt!


[Hurls bomb at Callous Jack]

It's the people's will!


Scintillae wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

He couldn't be elected today, he's too wild.

Hell, he couldn't normally be elected president in his own day, he only got in because he was vice president, and he only got THAT because of some odd political wrangling.

Less "odd political wrangling" and more "Oh dear lord, put him at a nice quiet desk so he can't go ruin everything...wait, WHO died? Crud."

Best accident. Or at least extremely entertaining for historians accident.

That wasn't an accident!

[Boom! Boom! Rat-a-tat-tat!]

What's that, Comrade Dingo? I have no idea what you're saying!

[Boom! Boom! Rat-a-tat-tat!]


[Peeks in]


I tell ya, being a nihilist is exhausting.


Rat-a-tat-tat!


Vive le Galt!

When I was alive...

The anarchist assassin thing was a no-brainer for me one day when there was a thread about all of the Evil Presidents, but for Whedon nerds: Mrs. Czolgosz (pronounded, roughly Chuul-gosh) was one of the spurned women visited by Anyanka. (She cursed Leon to have an unnatural obsession with McKinley.)

I assume that Whedon got him from Stephen Sondheim's semi-hit 1990 musical, Assassins.


[Hides in the thread, waiting to strike]


Rat-a-tat!

Boom!


Paizo's messageboards are so informative!

Presidential Assassinations: The Musical Interlude

And it's not by Sondheim.


Yay!!

I don't know who Boston Corbett was.


In all fairness, and in order to not get silenced, you told the joke better than me.


Ahem.

[Points up a couple of posts]

Workers revolution to smash Dorothy Parker!


I didn't realize Coolidge could cast spells.


LazarX wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:


Workers revolution to smash Calvin Coolidge!

Which would be kind of hard since President Cal's been dead for decades... the ultimate silence.

Workers revolution to smash Andrews Jackson and Johnson, too!


Socialite says to Coolidge, "I made a bet than I could get you to say more than three words tonight."

"You lose," he replied.

Which is funny, but

Workers revolution to smash Calvin Coolidge!

EDITED


however,


Ratatattat. Down with Paizo!


[Eagerly anticipates the results of 2012 Fawtl elections while cleaning his gun]


houstonderek wrote:

Where's Teddy Roosevelt when you need him?

Don't look at me--I had nothing to do with it!


Propaganda by the deed!

Rat-a-tat-tat! Boom!


Universal soldier #1 wrote:
rata*tat*tat

Rat-a-tat!

Boom!

Propaganda by the deed!

Rat-a-tat!


All praises be unto Kali!

Rat-a-tat-tat!

Boom!


[Looks in to see who's getting shot.]


Evil Grover Cleveland wrote:
You only got in to the White House because Slightly Lawful Neutral James Garfield was offed.

Don't look at me! That one wasn't mine!


I'm voting with a bullet!

[Bang! Bang! Boom! Rat-a-tat-tat!]


Hello, I have a message for one Count Gruumash? That's him over there? Thanks!

SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!!!

[Bang! Boom! Rat-a-tat-tat!]

You've been dealt the People's Will!


Gark the Goblin wrote:
Undead Leon Czolgosz wrote:
Ever since that "misunderstanding" with President McKinley, I don't sleep much.
Did you animate of your own accord? Or was it Nazi Science?

It most certainly was NOT Nazi science!


Ever since that "misunderstanding" with President McKinley, I don't sleep much.


Bang! Bang!

BOOOOOOM!

Rat-a-tat-tat!

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