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Any chances of getting previews for Dahak's siblings?


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Ok, but does the Despair Dragon have a pair of small dot like eyes or a trio of big vertical eyes?


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SpontaneousLightning wrote:

Just like how havoc dragons are going to be renamed to be delight dragons in the draconic codex, are requiem dragons renamed crypt dragons? Because both requiem and crypt dragons appear to shepherd souls to the afterlife.

Or are crypt dragons and requiem dragons like infernal and diabolic dragons, which are two separate species of dragons that live in Hell

As their description implies, Requiem Dragons aren't specifically interested in a single plane. It varies from dragon to dragon.

They are also confirmed to be born at Creation’s Forge, and that would be the positive energy plane. Crypt dragons are native to the Boneyard instead.

So they aren't really connected to each others. At least not as much as infernal and diabolic dragons are, both natives of Hell.


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Caldwhyn wrote:

As someone trying to navigate playing a draconic sorcerer from the Mwangi who follows a Sky Dragon, I sincerely hope, that dragon species gets sorted a bit.

They are classified as imperial (which doesn't really vibe that well with the whole Taralu myths about them) which are arcane caster dragons while still having them being called strongly divine all over their flavor text.
This doesn't fit together well in my opinion.

Aren't the Taralu supposed to be connected to the Cloud Dragons instead? And if I remember correctly, Cloud Dragons have primal innate spells, and Imperial Dragons have divine innate spells.


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Such a delightful reveal by Eleanor and Luiz. It felt like I had been hit by a barrage of emotions. The desire for a draconic themed book always burned in my heart like incandescent magma, and we are finally getting this book.

I can't waifor more info on this!


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As they are probably sticking with the primal tradition for the reworked version of the chromatics, I also thought about something along the lines of a storm dragon or a tempest dragon.

We already have a sky and cloud dragon, so I don't know if that's even needed...


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Elfteiroh wrote:
(Also, they don't need to be the old associated color anymore. Like how horned dragons are not all green.)

Indeed. The horned dragon has one of my favorite designs among 2E dragons.

Now that rhe chromatic aren't evil by nature, I'm really curious as to how the blue dragons will turn out to be, if they ever get the same treatment as the greens.


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Do you all think that we are getting another of the chromatic dragons reworked? I saw somewhere else that there's a mention to a black dragon equivalent, but I can't remember the name it was given. Swamp dragon or something like that.

Would you like to see them all reworked?


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Prince Maleus wrote:

[https://www.wargamer.com/pathfinder/draconic-codex-monster-core-2]

For those interested in a little sneak peak.

Thanks for sharing!

This confirms the dragonets as tiny (or small in a particular heritage).

And look at this awesome cinder archdragon. Might that one be the sixth king of the Five Kings Mountain?


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amalgam_81 wrote:
`Nine draconic deities` - I wonder if this is including Apsu and Dahak in the counts.

I would aguess that Sarshallatu, Garhaazh and Otilaz are also among those nine deities.

There's also Shizuru, Susumu and Nanbyo were also supposed to be dragons. Shizuru actually has some depictions in her draconic form. Yet these gods are more commonly associated with the humanoid inhabitants and Tian Xia itself. They might get mentioned, at least.


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JiCi wrote:

Tiamat's image as a 5-headed dragon is WotC's property. The real Tiamat is a Babylonian humanoid goddess who has been mistaken for a "mother of monsters" and a sea serpent. It's like how Bahamut is depicted as a dragon in D&D and Final Fantasy, when it's actually a giant fish :p

Since we got Egyptian gods as "Ancient Orision deities", I could see the Babylonian pantheon also being "Ancient [insert region here]", Tiamat included, just like Chinese and Japanese deities, being actually in Tian Xia.

Apsu himself was based on a real mythological figure, and he is also the counterpart of the Sumerian goddess Tiamat. Even their old reticoned lore, in which they were described as bodies of water, fresh and salt, comes from the Sumerian gods of same name... So I do get your point.

But...

Imagine if Pepsi used a polar bear as their mascot. Even though the polar bear is just an animal, it is also commonly associated with Coca-Cola.


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Dragonet could also be smaller dragons in contrast to traditional ones, meaning they could be medium "humanoide" dragons.


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224 pages of draconic content? Here I have a new reason for staying healthy. I have been waiting for this book for so long...

I'm a really big fan of Pathfinder dragons, specially the Primal, the Imperial, the Outer and the Planar dragons. I was hoping for a book that could finally bring them back, but I'm even happier if we are getting new ones! Maybe, as some have suggested, there could even be new takes on these thematics, just as what was done with the diabolical and the empyreal dragons.

I have two questions about this: "Statistics for over 20 types of dragons, including expansions on the dragons found in Monster Core and Monster Core 2!"

20 types of dragons. Should we assume they are all traditional/magical dragons?

We have 16 dragons in the Monster Core books, so the great majority of the 20 dragons here are going to be the ones we already got, or the expanded information for them is an additional content?


Look at this beautiful cover. I'm in love with it.

And as a dragon lover myself, I can't deny the magical dragons (the ones previously know as true dragons) are the monsters I'm looking forward the most.

And there are eight brand new dragons in this one. I'm really curious about how the Cinder dragon will be different enough from the iconic Red Dragon. I really liked what we got for the Horned Dragon. It feels distinct enough from the Green, but we can still recognize some traits from their previous incarnation, specially the Pathfinder take in their more disciplined personalities.


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Octuber/November releases are a real feast for those that really like new stats for monsters and foes. ALIEN CORE, Monster Core 2 and the Draconic Codex. Can't wait for this.


What could you tell us about the dragon gods? Anything got expanded, or do we only get the classical "Apsu vs Dahak" lore?

Are there any mentions of relationships or alliances between Apsu and the likes of Shizuru, Uvuko or any other draconic gods?

And finally, any beautiful illustrations for them?

I would love to see either Susumu or Nanbyo in their draconic form.


How manu gods are they planning to cover in this book, exactly?


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Wow! The Wardens look amazing!

I was mainly surprised, in a good way, by the fact that the Warden of Forests and Meadows

Spoiler:
isn't the overused wood stag. A fox like Warden was a really intriguing choice.


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CastleDour wrote:
I am so excited about this article on Norgorber! We may finally learn about his background as a mortal. I can never get enough of him!!! Thank you Paizo.

There comes the reveal of the three evil halflings behind the curtains of Norgorber.


I really love those new dragons and all, that I can't deny... But two things have bothered me since 2E "straight up bestiaries" were settled in three volumes.

The first of them is "outer and esoteric dragons, all forgotten". Are there plans to bring them back? I'm not even talking about Planar Dragons, for they are relatively "new"... But I really miss the "alien" dragons and I was really hoping to see them in 2E (1E Bestiary 4 was my favorite bestiary after all).

The other thing that bothers me is the fact that there are so many dragons in pathfinder, yet there's no dragon ancestry in 2E, net even a versatile heritage. How come?

I dream of a dragon focused book just like Book of the Dead or Rage of Elements, that could bring the remaining 1E true dragons into the hardcovers of 2E, as well as an ancestry or a versatile heritage.


No new true dragons from the two new elemental planes? Really?

What a shame...


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Set wrote:
Cthulhusquatch wrote:
Set wrote:
Years ago I had expressed a desire for elemental planes of metal and wood, and elementals, mephits and perhaps even genies (and other creatures, such as dragons, with the plant or metal 'types') of those sorts, and I'm psyched that it might finally be happening.
There is no 'might'... though Mephits are now Elemental Scamps.

Awesome!

And now I'm all curious about whether elemental 'wood' type dragons could exist as a part of a current paradigm, or be their own 'five man band' with cruel shrike-like Thorn Dragons, symbiotic-swarm-controlling Acacia Dragons, sinuous aquatic Kelp Dragons and ginormous, but ponderous, Redwood Dragons...

So many options!

We were teased with the possibility of the five primal dragons getting two other members in their family. A metallic dragon, with a radiation breath weapon, as well as a wood dragon, with a breath weapon that can make plants grow. Those would surely be awesome, I suppose.


There's a feathered dragon species, the ones from Nirvana, the bliss dragons. They are among the planar dragons, who were confirmed to still be a thing in PF2.


Squeakmaan wrote:
Looks like something I'd fight in DOOM, by which I mean it looks metal as heck.

I was looking for a good word to describe them, and there it is: they indeed do look so METAL.

I'm curious to see the other ones. The one in the cover of GM Core seems to be so alien that I really thought it was an outer dragon, a time dragon to be more specific.


keftiu wrote:
As a big fan of void and vortex dragons, I can’t wait to see our Occult pair soon!

I suppose you meant outer dragons, if you're talking about the alien ones.


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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
If we have stats for him he ain't a deity. Nor was he ever one.

That is not exactly correct. The lore about this changed a bit in 2e, but in pathfinder there are 3 types of deities. Gods, Demigods and Quasi-Deities (now called Lesser Deity).

In 1e (info from Planar Adventures):

Gods never have stats and have 5 domains (e.g. Lamashtu).
Demigods are CR26-30 and have 4 domains (e.g. Demon Lords).
Quasi-deities are CR21-25 and have 1 to 4 domains (e.g. Nascent Demon Lords).

In 2e:

Gods never have stats and have 4 domains.
Demigods don't have stats yet (their avatars do and are LVL 21-25) and have 4 domains like normal gods.
Lesser Deity are LVL21-25 (we also have seen the avatar of one, and it was LVL 17) and have 4 domains like normal gods.

For lesser deities with stats, we have the Treerazer (who is a Nascent Demon Lord) and the Conqueror Worm, maybe some more I don't know about.

Also in 2e there are some previous demigods that are just called gods now, like Nivi Rhombodazzle.

Nivi Rhombodazzle was always a goddess, was she not? I remember she was even among the gods of Inner Sea Faiths.

I'm really happy to see more about the "gnome" goddess. I really like gnomes, but their faith is something that I do feel like it needs more attention in the lore.


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Am I the only one that really wants to known what will the book following this one cover? Another one of the inner sea regions? Another continent? Yet another faction? Or maybe something along the lines of Lost Omens Legends? I can't wait to see the announcements for the next half of this year.


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Evan Tarlton wrote:
keftiu wrote:
belgrath9344 wrote:
I just want stats for the elemental lords and detailed maps & locations for each plane
Given that they all already have deity statblocks in this edition, I’m skeptical you’ll get those statblocks.
We're not getting those stats until/unless we get Mythic. Honestly, that is as it should be.

The only demigod level creature we have seen so far are Mogaru and the High Priest of Kabriri, both of which received special statblocks, as if they were untouchable. Kortash statblock basically says "behave yourself or die", as he is a High Priest. Mogaru is represented by a collection of hazards caused by him being around, as he is beyond gargantuan in size.


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Vorsk, Follower or Erastil wrote:
keftiu wrote:
belgrath9344 wrote:
any chance the elemental lords get stats?
They’re proper divinities, well beyond what a level 20 PF2 party could handle.
We got stats for one of them in 1E so it's not impossible

PF2 has yet to stat anything above level 25. Even level 25 creatures are something rare in PF2, so much that the Lantern King's avatar is a level 24 foe. And we are talking about the avatar of an Eldest.


LOCK AT THAT AMAZING ART! Look at Yoon, fighting against all those high level foes with the help of her fearsome owlbear.

Ayrzul is second only to Kelizandri as my favorite elemental lords, so far. It would be great to see illustrations for the good elemental lords, I hope there are some inside.

In the meaty bestiary, I hope there was space for metal and wood themed primal dragons. And, if there was, I also hope that Miguel Regodón got the chance to illustrate them. He has done a great work with the previously depicted true dragons.


Aaron Shanks wrote:
I also wonder what the Elemental Plane of Metal will add?

Please, don't do this to us... I can't wait for Rage of Elements' product page to be up, with it's official product description.

I suppose you already have the product cover, although it's too soon to show it to us. I'm also eager to see it, specially for the grown up Yoon, that I'm certain will be featured on it.


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CorvusMask wrote:

I'm bit confused by conical helm since I recognize it from dwarf helmet relic in Kingmaker CRPG.

Like were conical dwarf helmets always a thing, something inspired by crpg or something Paizo came up with to Owlcat during advising the crpg?

The helmet isn't conical at all, it's just the angle of the illustration. Above the helmet is the mountain's peak, while the helmet itself has a frontal protuberance.


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Only one thing... At least a page for each of the eight elemental lords, with art for all of them. It was a shame for Planes of Power (the 1E book about the elemental planes) to not cover the Lords with more than some mentions, and with not art at all. I hope Paizo doesn't lose this opportunity again.

And of course, if there are new elemental planes, maybe there are new elemental lords. Although I'm imagining the two new planes as something minor, not as relevant as the main ones.


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Luis Loza wrote:
Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:
Chapter 2 will have the information on the various gods and their followers that deal with Lastwall's knights?

Sure will! In the spirit of free samples, let's take a look at just who those featured gods are!

** spoiler omitted **

I'm surprised to see Lady of the Fangwood here, as well as a Vudrani goddess. Can't wait to see how they relate to the knights cause.

It would be awesome if we got an illustration for each of these divinities that never got one.


Xethik wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
list of all undead in bestiary would be nice to see if interesting monsters are returning :D

Name - optional rarity - level - page:

** spoiler omitted **...

Are there any monsters with the unique rarity?


keftiu wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:

I have a question for Aaron here.

Is this the final cover or something close to it?

That art is from 1e. Guarantee you it’s a placeholder.

Indeed, I was suspecting that I had seen that girtablilu design somewhere else before, but I wasn't sure. Thanks for the reply.

I'm looking forward to see how the major nations in the Impossible Lands are going to be represented by the cover, or how else they will chose to represent this region.


I have a question for Aaron here.

Is this the final cover or something close to it?


pixierose wrote:
There is also Erastils and Jaidis daughter, though she is still just an empyreal lord and nor a full fledged diety, and while she is about agriculture her specific domain is way more niche as empyreal lords tend to be.

I didn't know Cernunnos had a sister.


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There's technically a new god among the divinities of the Inner Sea that ascended during our age, the Age of Lost Omens. The Iron Goddess, Casandalee. The adventurers of Numeria actually helped her ascend, right?

Yet I suppose she isn't one of the "Ascended", as she didn't went through the Test of the Star Stone... I'm to attached to her, as the Iron Gods AP is one of my favorites.


What happened to our friendly spiders, the Anadi? Has everyone forgotten about them?

Anadi Ancestry


1) Draconic ancestries, including a full dragon and a draconic heritage, akin to the planar scions or beastkin, but taking the true dragons as their origin.

2) Planar dragons.

3) Chronicles of the Righteous Hardcover

4) Concordance of Rivals Hardcover

5) Lost Omens Arcadia


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So the dragon god Dahak actually scared Fafnheir (the strongest linnorm with stats right for battle) so much that he won't come out of his hideout? Imagine how frightening something needs to be to incite fear into an elder dragon from the First World...


VivatGolarion wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:

No words to describe how awesome the cover is!

Yet I'm surprised we didn't get a cover featuring Geb, the Whispering Tyrant or others of the most iconic undead NPCs.

...the guy on the cover is Geb, though. ^_^;

Indeed, he is. It's just that he is dressed up for the occasion, so I couldn't identify him at first.

You know, we can identify the Whispering Tyrant easily, but there were only two illustrations of Ged so far, and none are even close in appearance to this one. I only found out it was him when someone else confirmed it.


belgrath9344 wrote:
really the only 2 monsters I'm hyped for is the spawn of rovagug & fafnhier

Where was a Spawn of Rovagug ever mentioned? I would really appreciate an inclusion of a Spawn.


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The-Magic-Sword wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:
Where can I see the final cover for this one?
Here's a Screenshot from Paizocon.

Thanks for sharing! That's an amazing cover.


vagrant-poet wrote:
It's definitely Geb.

Unless he's wearing some kind of mask, that's a completely different look from how he was depicted in Legends and on other products.


Where can I see the final cover for this one?


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No words to describe how awesome the cover is!

Yet I'm surprised we didn't get a cover featuring Geb, the Whispering Tyrant or others of the most iconic undead NPCs.


Could anyone give us more info about the Kaiju article?


-Religion (Multiple Gods with a full page layout and avatar form, and "other gods" with smaller entries in the back)

Could anyone elaborate on this section?

How many gods are there and what's their names and title? Which of them got a full page and avatar form?