Any hope of an insect Ancestry in 2e?


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Does the setting have a ready one to fall back on? And no, the anadi don’t count :)


There's always the thriae, though I'm not sure how well that fits in to a lot of PF2 ancestry design.


Maybe not exactly what you're looking for but there are the Girtabilu. Other than that, the thriae mentioned above and maybe formians from Castrovel.

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Since you were already sticking out your antennae inquiring about lashunta, formians seem the obvious choice

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There’s also insectile BEASTKIN (I love that for whatever reason autocorrect always capitalizes that so I’m leaving it).

There’s Shirren from Starfinder.

Could also have a breakaway from The Hive or whatever they are. The xenomorph thingies in Nidal.

Thriae would be my best bet though.

I want a moff/butterfly though.


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Do Melixie count?


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TheGentlemanDM wrote:
Do Melixie count?

I have a player making a Melixie bard who looks like a bee, and uses their buzzing, chirruping, and inhuman vocalization to play dubstep. They're a dubstep bee.


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If they want to get real wild, there are the D'ziriak.


It would be cool if there were a race like the Phraints from Arduin (an old, amazing D&D setting that was in many respects way ahead of its time), or the Tri-keen, which were similar in some ways to 4 armed Phraints.

The schtick people liked about Phraints was that they would jump over you while throwning a javelin, and then land behind you, quick draw a greatsword, and hit you in the back.


Rysky wrote:
I want a moff/butterfly though.

Arthur?


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Reflavor a sprite. They are tiny!


Albatoonoe wrote:
If they want to get real wild, there are the D'ziriak.

I've thought about trying to homebrew these guys into an ancestry before. They're relatively low in power, fairly amiable, don't have tons of special abilities that you'd need to account for, and have the advantage of having cultural ties to the Plane of Shadow, complete with society and I think a few settlements, as well. I think they'd make a reasonably good ancestry fit.

Rysky wrote:

There’s Shirren from Starfinder.

Could also have a breakaway from The Hive or whatever they are. The xenomorph thingies in Nidal.

I don't think we'll see Shirren in PF2E. Whenever I've seen a dev talking about the two settings the undercurrent seems to be that they want to keep them separated.

And The Hive feel like one of those species that are really intended to be monsters. It's hard to be a good guy when your only way of reproduction is to infest someone with worms and then erupt out of their cocooned body. I could see them being a corruption though, if we get corruption rules in PF2E, which I'm personally hoping for.

Personally I'd bet on Formians becoming an ancestry. They're like the D'ziriak in that many of their specializations are relatively low power, until you start getting into the ones that can cast spells natively. There's also precedent for them being able to be free of their colonies thanks to Starfinder, but unlike with Shirren there wouldn't need to be any crossing of setting streams because Formians already existed in Pathfinder.
That or we'll get an all-new ancestry somewhere. I guess Trox could make a reappearance, too.


Formians and Lashunta would make me very happy :)


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I want moth people.
I didn't know I wanted moth people before reading this thread, but now I very much want moth people.


PossibleCabbage wrote:

I want moth people.

I didn't know I wanted moth people before reading this thread, but now I very much want moth people.

As mentioned Melixie can resonably include moth people.


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Toss my vote in for if we ever get a Golden Road book like the Mwangi one a humanoid scarab race would be pretty sweet imo. Would want them to be small sized.


Vorsk, Follower or Erastil wrote:
Toss my vote in for if we ever get a Golden Road book like the Mwangi one a humanoid scarab race would be pretty sweet imo. Would want them to be small sized.

Not Small or scarabs, but the wiki says that there’s Formians living in Katapesh’s mountains.


A scarab or beetle-themed ancestry would be fun. Somebody who is either beholden to, or has to fight prejudiced beliefs of being beholden to, Ulunat.

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Of course the big problem with having an insect based ancestry is ending up with players with Weakness 10 to Shoes.

Smart-alec-ry aside, something reminiscent of the Kehpri for China Miéville's books would be pretty awesome.

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S. J. Digriz wrote:

It would be cool if there were a race like the Phraints from Arduin (an old, amazing D&D setting that was in many respects way ahead of its time), or the Tri-keen, which were similar in some ways to 4 armed Phraints.

The schtick people liked about Phraints was that they would jump over you while throwning a javelin, and then land behind you, quick draw a greatsword, and hit you in the back.

Phraints, and other bug-folk like the Aspis and Xixchil and Rastipedes, were always faves. Some non-arachnid bug-peeps could be cool.

But yeah, some sort of Osiriani scarab-beetle types could be cool and more distinctive than yet another ant or mantis folk. (And not have the bother of wings, or ties to Desna or Calistria, that a butterfly or wasp person would have.)


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A shout out for cockroach people! It could be so very fun to play a cockroach person, and the general toughness, stealth, and creepiness of the species would make for some great abilities.


I'd actually like to see intelligent insects, not necessarily be biped. Like there's a biological reason insects have legs shaped like they do and I'd like to see that reflected in the game.


To be fair,formians are quadruped and still have arms


Really, since "number of arms" no longer really matters like it used to, you can have as many as you want and it's no longer imbalancing.

Like how many arms can a Conrasu have? A Cecaelia technically has 10 arms, they're just walking on 8 of them.

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S. J. Digriz wrote:
A shout out for cockroach people! It could be so very fun to play a cockroach person, and the general toughness, stealth, and creepiness of the species would make for some great abilities.

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PossibleCabbage wrote:

Really, since "number of arms" no longer really matters like it used to, you can have as many as you want and it's no longer imbalancing.

Like how many arms can a Conrasu have? A Cecaelia technically has 10 arms, they're just walking on 8 of them.

Has me real worried about the eventual Kasatha return, though.


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Sorry to necro this thread, but a friend just pointed out the Bog Striders in Bestiary 2; they're Aberrations, but Neutral-aligned, Medium-sized, only have two arms, and forbid eating the flesh of sapient beings. They even have their own name - they refer to themselves as Seshes! Whoever put them together definitely wants them to be reasonable and friendly, and they could be a lot of fun to play as.


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Bog Striders are dope. I'd be totally cool with them being stated up as an ancestry


As someone pointed out to me in a different thread I hope we get the Throx ported into pf2.


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PossibleCabbage wrote:

I want moth people.

I didn't know I wanted moth people before reading this thread, but now I very much want moth people.

For what it's worth, I'm actually working on a bee/wasp race and a moth race right now.


WatersLethe wrote:
Bog Striders are dope. I'd be totally cool with them being stated up as an ancestry

Swamp bugs, hmm? My desire for a moth ancestry is truly being tested.


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Kobold Catgirl wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:

I want moth people.

I didn't know I wanted moth people before reading this thread, but now I very much want moth people.
For what it's worth, I'm actually working on a bee/wasp race and a moth race right now.

I have enough friends who are diehard fans of moths that I have to endorse this… but specially with the Mothra vs Godzilla watch party we’re doing in a few days.


Kobold Catgirl wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:

I want moth people.

I didn't know I wanted moth people before reading this thread, but now I very much want moth people.
For what it's worth, I'm actually working on a bee/wasp race and a moth race right now.

Putting it on Infinite (or related) or personal use only?


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Yeah, I'm hoping to publish it, if I can get my impostor syndrome in check. :P

The concepts are a sort of "fallen Thriae" ancestry with heritages for honeybee, paper wasp and yellowjacket, and an ancestry of moth/butterfly people whose wings are constantly "leaking" illusion magic.

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Playable trox coming back would be nice yeah ;D


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I hope so, i loved the shirren in Starfinder, so i hope they will create something similar for Pathifinder. Maybe they could start with the formians?

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Kobold Catgirl wrote:

Yeah, I'm hoping to publish it, if I can get my impostor syndrome in check. :P

The concepts are a sort of "fallen Thriae" ancestry with heritages for honeybee, paper wasp and yellowjacket, and an ancestry of moth/butterfly people whose wings are constantly "leaking" illusion magic.

KC, everyone has imposter syndrome.

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Okay, back to the main topic. I want Starfinder's Bolida in PF2. I want to burrow, and be able to curl up into a ball and roll into enemies. CHAAAARGE!

As much as I love shirren, we should not have shirren in Pathfinder 2e unless they came through a time rift. Shirren were born in the Swarm. They and klikharps broke off from the swarm in the time of confusion when the Gap ended, so about 0AG on the Starfinder calendar. They are one of the youngest races in Starfinder.

Hmm


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Personally, I'm still a diopsid fangirl. And a dvati fangirl. Honestly, we've already basically got tibbits, so we're already started on the Dragon Compendium reunion tour.


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I definitely wouldn't mind seeing 2e Trox, and their extra arms being kind of weak and vestigial gets around the designer worries about having multiple sets of functional hands.

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Trox are lovely, sweet and gentle creatures! I love them!


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Perpdepog wrote:
And The Hive feel like one of those species that are really intended to be monsters. It's hard to be a good guy when your only way of reproduction is to infest someone with worms and then erupt out of their cocooned body. I could see them being a corruption though, if we get corruption rules in PF2E, which I'm personally hoping for.

It's an underrated series, but Andromeda had Rev Bem who was amazing and totally this. (*note the magog were not insectoid, but that is their mean of propogation)


Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:
Trox are lovely, sweet and gentle creatures! I love them!

I love the gentle giant trope and beetles are such fascinating creatures.


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Recently in the Arcadia section of the Guns & Gears book it was mentioned on page 221 that there are a "insectile race called klinkois". Perhaps we'll see these sooner rather than later?


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enrik wrote:
Recently in the Arcadia section of the Guns & Gears book it was mentioned on page 221 that there are a "insectile race called klinkois". Perhaps we'll see these sooner rather than later?

I can’t help but think of how the conrasu, goloma, and shisk were teased before the Mwangi book - or the two new ancestries mentioned in that Vudra backmatter article. Fingers crossed!


keftiu wrote:
enrik wrote:
Recently in the Arcadia section of the Guns & Gears book it was mentioned on page 221 that there are a "insectile race called klinkois". Perhaps we'll see these sooner rather than later?
I can’t help but think of how the conrasu, goloma, and shisk were teased before the Mwangi book - or the two new ancestries mentioned in that Vudra backmatter article. Fingers crossed!

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What were the vudra ancestries?


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WWHsmackdown wrote:
keftiu wrote:
enrik wrote:
Recently in the Arcadia section of the Guns & Gears book it was mentioned on page 221 that there are a "insectile race called klinkois". Perhaps we'll see these sooner rather than later?
I can’t help but think of how the conrasu, goloma, and shisk were teased before the Mwangi book - or the two new ancestries mentioned in that Vudra backmatter article. Fingers crossed!

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What were the vudra ancestries?

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Other ancestries uncommon in the Inner Sea are more widely known in Vudra, including simian vanaras, ophidian vishkanyas, clever ratfolk, rhino-headed kashrishis, and cunning but curse‑twisted ratajins.


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I kind of hope we get playable Rakshasa and we recontextualize them away from the D&D version and towards the Ramayana/Mahabharata version.

As in they were fierced, fanged people who specialized in illusion magic, shapeshifting who fought for both good and evil causes. Like Ghatotkacha and Vibhishana were good guys in the epics!


Insectile beastkin are currently the only way to do this right now outside melixies, which is a shame. After thinking about it I decided that a scarab beastkin would be pretty cool and easy to incorporate into a game set in Osirion, but having that be a whole new ancestry would be even better.


What happened to our friendly spiders, the Anadi? Has everyone forgotten about them?

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Spiders are arachnids, not insects.

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