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   My main issue was immersion-breaking moments. Divinitus once ran WotR for me and a few friends years ago when it first came out as a home campaign session. One of our players decided to make an intimidate bard. Well, the whole game was basically other PCs stand while he talked and scared away demons, mad cultists, and undead just by making colorful threats to them. That sort of soured the as-written rules of intimidate and some of the feats that make it busted. Same thing goes with diplomacy, although bluff thankfully has a mechanism in place to prevent TOO MUCH abuse. I am just of the firm belief that not every situation can be solved with words because some things are just too sodding thick or arrogant to really care, yeah?  
 
   In my humble opinion, every version of Microsoft since 7 has been a bloody disaster in some way or another. It is sad when the current state of affairs is that they are having to keep making new versions to try to match 7 while keeping the dumb app compatibility. The only good thing from Windows 10 has been allowing a person to sync up a XB1 or PS4 controller to play computer games, which makes PC mech games MUCH easier to play!  
 
   Well, I finally made it back to running a campaign after, I think, almost a year and a half and what better way to return than to do the awesome new Hell's Rebels AP, with its delightful plot and urban nature? ^_^ Now, since this campaign HAS a player's guide, I don't really feel the need to put a campaign synopsis, as the HRPG has all those nice bits of fluff and PC-friendly details that you will need. If you have yet to download it and see what the AP is about without getting spoilers, follow this link to the official download page, courtesy of the wonderful people at Paizo! CHARACTER CREATION
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   Thunderscape and it's various expansion books are very good indeed! Zeitgeist is a pretty awesome Steampunk-style AP. If you do not mind a few balance issues, the Wicked Fantasy books by John Wick make the standard races have a dark Lord of the Rings feel. The flavor is simply amazing. It Came From The Stars is one of the most iconic space opera PDFs for Pathfinder and meshes great with the pay-what-you-want updated version of Between Chains and Starlight. Razor Coast? Dear lord, Razor Coast is one of the best pirate settings/APs ever! I heartily recommend getting all 4 of those books as well as the PF version of Dead Man's Chest. Midgard, which captures that ancient Europe feel in fantasy form with a lot of cool twists. Kingdom of undead? Diabolist Gnomes? Shadow Fey? The mighty Baba Yaga? It's got all of that and more! Van Graaf's Journal of Dragons. OMG, so much stuff for dragons! As a GM, I felt a tear of joy roll down my face when I read it! Rappan Athuk, the megadungeon to dissuade your local murderhobos from their unrighteous path! They will be terrified after getting wiped on one of the first few floors! Also, did I mention an extraplanar, Silent Hill-like hospital through a portal in the lowest depths staffed by Kytons? >:) Necropunk, because it's space opera with awesome backstory, no friendly aliens, psionics, and technology formed from dead flesh and bone! Neurospasta, if you're looking for a Deus Ex-style cyberpunk campaign with all the cool races of the genre (Full-conversion Cyborgs, genetically enhanced tube grown Nugenics, the synthetic Virtuants, and of course, good old Humans!) and a buttload of new classes, equipment, monsters, vehicles, and such. The Gothic Grimoires collection from LG! Shadows Over Vathak by Fat Goblin Games. My love of the Lovecraftian genre knows few bounds! Very cool setting! The Coliseum Morpheoun books by Rite Publishing! If you liked the oneiric madness of the Sandman books, you will love the underlying weirdness and wonder of this series! And if you're looking for free horror stuff, check out the fan-made Fraternity of Shadows website for Ravenloft. There are dozens of free PDFs with surprisingly balanced crunch and awesome fluff!  
 
   As a female, I find it doesn't matter to me. Of course, my GM The Silver Prince is very accommodating and can drop an NPC down into the game for use if need be. It's true, there are many more male gamers than female gamers as far as TTRPGs are concerned, so I see no problem with the general 60-40 female to male love interests.  
 
   Ok, I see this conversation is getting nowhere because, apparently, you miss the salient point. You're too tied up in all the legalities and other nonsense to get that's it's not all bout the business model and what they CAN get away with, it's about what was a series d-bag moves on their part that showed a blatant disregard for their customers. It's also apparent that a civilized conversation cannot be had with you, so I see no point in continuing and have this turn into a flame war. I will respectfully leave this thread with a suggestion: apply for politics, Scott, because THAT'S where all of what you are speaking of belongs. I really believe you would excel at it. Good day, sir!  
 
   Scott, I'm not sure if you understand what I'm saying, so let me rephrase it for you. Scott Betts wrote: Because they wanted people to be able to buy PDFs? They didn't freaking delete them from people's hard drives. They simply removed the license for DTRPG to distribute them, which forced DTRPG to stop allowing customers to re-download the PDFs - again, because they made a promise they knew they weren't licensed to keep. You should know, if you own a computer and I assume you do, that computers break down. They may not have deleted them from people's hard drives, but they DID keep them from redownloading the files if the computer crashed, which is what happened to me. And I asked WotC if they could get me a download link to the files I purchased and they said no, that I would have to buy it again. Scott Betts wrote: So a business shouldn't have the ability to determine who gets to distribute their product? That's wrong, to you? No, but giving them permission to sell it THEN choosing to remove it just so they could make more money is a total d-bag move to anyone with a moral compass. And no, I don't care about the legalese, so feel free to keep that to yourself. Scott Betts wrote: 
 I'm not being an apologist, I just believe in KEEPING WHAT I PAY FOR! You may be rich enough to buy hundreds of dollars of PDFs twice, but most gamers are not. And the only thing ridiculous here is the fact that you support such an inherently customer-unfriendly move. Scott Betts wrote: Liiiiiiiiike... Do you really want the list of grievances? Sissyl wrote most of them quite clearly above. If you were reading along, you could see them, yes? Scott Betts wrote: That's not the point. You made the claim that Pathfinder is somehow the shining savior of tabletop RPGs because it doesn't engage in the edition treadmill, which is an absurd thing to say because Pathfinder hasn't even been out for five years and a typical edition of D&D lasts somewhere in the neighborhood of eight. Is it absurd? If you have been on the messageboards, Paizo has not even really talked that much about new editions and, if I remember correctly, said it would be years off if it happened at all. Scott Betts wrote: Edition releases are not a reflection of poor customer service. They are a reflection of the realities of the tabletop RPG business model, wherein initial sales for an edition are very high, and sales for each subsequent same-edition product drop off (on average) until they become untenable. Are you unfamiliar with this model? No, I'm quite familiar with the model thanks to WotC. A better question: are you unfamiliar with 'the customer is always right'? Companies stay open at the pleasure of their respective customers and not caring what they want shows gauche and unsightly levels of greed. And, quite obviously, is bad for business. Do you see how much Pathfinder has grown from the legions of angered WotC refugees? What has THAT done to WotC's business model? A lot, given that they are releasing a new edition. Scott Betts wrote: 
 There's a difference: WotC released an edition solely to make more money with a few revisions... Paizo released Pathfinder for all the people that were interested in the 3.X system that WotC abandoned and simply chose to improve on it as they did so.  
 
   I TRIED 4.0, Scott, and I lost a great deal of money on the PDFs, so I believe I have a right to be angry. It seems WotC doesn't care about customers, only about revenue, which is MY grievance with them. If they had refunded those who purchased the PDFs, or just gave them access to the links to what they bought, that would have assuaged quite a bit of hurt feelings. But they DIDN'T. Instead, they chose to compound customer-unfriendly decision on top of customer-unfriendly decision until people just threw up their arms in disgust and walked away from WotC. And, as I said, this was already AFTER they swapped editions rapidly with the whole 3.0/3.5 farce, essentially forcing people to buy new books that had, what 20 changes in the whole thing (Yes, I know there was more than this, so don't play technicalities,).  
 
   Scott Betts, I respectfully disagree on this matter. Why did WotC allow them to sell them in the first place if they were going to reneg and snatch them away? THAT is the salient issue. I don't care about all the legalese, because it's for Asmodeans and Anuses (Which sounds like a fun card game though!), I care about what's right. WotC should have NEVER allowed other companies to sell PDFs of their if they were not prepared to leave them up. THAT is the breach of trust. As for your comment regarding 4.0's release not having anything that breached trust by itself, I agree, but only because it was the culmination of several years of trust breaking that made people finally say 'fufu it' and walk away from WotC. The things AFTER 4.0's release, however, were MAJOR trust-breakers though! As for your comment of me only having superficial understanding of the market, I respectfully think you should tone down the accusations there. There has been little to no discussion of a new edition of Pathfinder and Paizo has proven that they are more about customer service than WotC, so if you took that into account, you would know where I'm coming from.  
 
   Speaking primarily for myself, it would take WotC doing for Pathfinder what Pathfinder did for 3.X, then making their books cheaper, then keeping up quality, all the while having good customer service. AND REFUND THE PEOPLE YOU SCREWED OVER WITH PDFS, YOU SAVAGES! I love WotC's Magic: The Gathering, liked 3.X to some degree when it was out, and am fond of 4.0's storyline and art even though I HATE the ruleset and all the BS surrounding 4.0 with all the Hell's Lawyer crap, but they have made some really bad, customer-unfriendly decisions. The aforementioned edition-changing was nothing but a blatant money-grab, which I tend to despise. If a company is going for a money-grab, make an exciting NEW book for an EXISTING ruleset people love, don't discard an old one and expect people to but a new one (The books of which are a bit thinner in most cases but cost just as much or more... WUT?!). That's why a lot of people like Pathfinder, myself included, because they don't edition change every few years and act like 'update or screw you, because you aren't giving us moneyz'. As much as I love Magic: The Gathering, that's what irritates me about that as well... every few years, all the hundreds of dollars you spent on the previous sets of cards is now standard-illegal for play. I mean seriously WotC, stop being greedy and actually CARE about your CUSTOMER base and what THEY want, not what your financial advisers say! I apologize for the rant above, but that kind of crap just ticks me off. That's why I am boycotting the X-Box One, because of all the 'how can we make more money off of people' mentality with their 'game license' and other ideas they came up with. Please, don't derail the thread over this comment, I'm just enforcing my above point. SISSYL, WE COULD BE SISTERS! YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH UNTO THE MASSES! ^_^  
 
   Pathfinder! I lost trust in WotC because of D&D 4.0. I still play Magic: The Gathering (White/Green deck for the win!) and still buy WotC D&D 4.0 books for some story inspiration, but I am not found of the 4.0 rule system and am not believing 5.0 will be to my liking, unless it does for Pathfinder what Pathfinder did for D&D 3.X!  
 
   No, you cannot bite Velvet and gain her powers! Bad PCs! *Slaps bad PCs with a D20 Mace of Infinite Nat 1's* I CAN bake a mean red velvet cake, though! ^_^ Terquem, I'm sure you can find a way to keep them interested! Arwyne, did you mix Schroedinger's Cat with Cheshire to make your lynx? :P And if by legacy campaigns, you mean future campaigns where the PCs are enshrined in the world lore, then maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe! ^_^ Monkey, Once Upon A Time is what INSPIRED me to include this as an option under the vote thread! I don't know how well people would recieve flipping from fantasy-land to real-world though, so I'm not sure if that is an option. No restrictions on starting magic items as long as you can afford them. WILL POST IDEAS FOR 'TALE FEATS' LATER!!! REVIEWING APPLICANTS FOR 'ECHOES OF THE SEPHIRA', MY UBER-MEGA GODLY LEGENDARY MYTHIC CAMPAIGN OF INEFFABLE AWESOMENESS... +7! ^_^  
 
   First of all, hello hello to all who come to this thread. Yes, that is a British accent online! ^_^ Now, to the nitty gritty as it were! CAMPAIGN SYNOPSIS
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 As a note, there will be NO antisocial murderhobos allowed! I have one question for everyone. Vote if you would like for all damage, both PC and NPC/monster damage, to be multiplied to speed the game along. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask them and I will get back to you shortly! ^_^ | 
 
	
 
     
     
    