Hey Polaris good to see you are still around, it's been a while since I see you around RPG.net or even the WOTC forums.
Looking forward for good debates here on paizo forums.
So to recap:
4E is selling well: Fact
4E is selling more copies than what was projected: Fact
Some people will only play 3.5/Pathfinder: Fact
This is a success for WOTC: Fact
Hmm...so what are we arguing about?
I take it you don't play many MMOs?
YOu havent bought a WOTC book for years, yet bought FRCG just to make fun of it?
So you never had a web aplication glitch on you before?
Apparently WOTC can't ever win.
How did Darl Quethos get through the portal and reach the island?
Also, can celestial and fiendish creatures be summoned? The adventure specifically forbids spells that summon creature's from the astral plane and plane of shadow. I would have thought all summoned creatures have to travel through the astral, but the adventure doesn't specifically mention a problem with summon monster.
Pax Veritas wrote:
My opinion: Goodman games has always wanted to be first with something, now is their chance. Unfortunately, their blind support for the GSL is distasteful, especially since Wizards of the Coast is damaging the 3PP community with their GSL failure, and damaging our game with their wonton destruction of the realms along with the video-esque incoherent, poor quality 4e. For these reasons, I find Goodman's zealous reaction to 4e distasteful, immature, and shows a strong level of insensitivity to our community. I've asked to be removed from all Goodman games advertisement email lists.
Eirip I suggest you give the game a chance, most 4E detractors I have met havent even played the game and have just dealt a judgement based on mostly web comments.
If you do play it and decide its not for you, well thats good, there are other stuff you can play. Go 3.5, 3.75.pathfinder,heck even go into any non D&D fantasy rpgs (there are tons and some are awesome).
Forget about skill and use attribute checks. Make up a feat called Riding thatgives +5 to any check related to horses. Then depending on the situation ask for attribute checks to simulate riding. ( Dex check for combat maneuvers, Wisdom checks for calming the mount during combat, STr checks for stopping the horse abruptly, etc.)
Thats the ppoint of the atribute modifires to simulate any other secondary skills.
Its the binary situation, you are either with me or against me. It just doesnt have occured to them that we may like both things.
Fake Healer wrote:
I mean no offense by this, but there is no need to play the martyr. You made a post that people have seen as rude and got flak for it.
There is no need to continue on that topic , so lets carry one with the new GSL discussion.
Well if that is the case, just look beforfe you post. :P
I have no problem when someone posts their opinions, actually this is what this board for discussion. But when some people get right out insulting and just post stuff to start a flame war, Well their intentions are pretty obvious.
I agree completely Ixan, but how many from the other side have you seen crossing over into Pathfinder or even 3E forums to 'stirr up trouble'?
That's a pretty defeatist actittude to take.
This not WOTC fault, its just nerdrage.
GSL has nothing to do with this, and by revising it they are not trying to heal anything.
It is just a business decision.
As for when will it end, well that depends on when the forumites(or is that forumers?), stirring up trouble just because they cant stand a new edition, decide to stop.
Okay I will accept that you really belive what he said was not rude nor civil. I'll mark that as a description of your character.
I was simply agreeing with you. What does it take to make you happy?
(By the way, that was sarcasm).
Some cookie on cookie action.
In fact, it was generally civil outside of your sarcastic comment.
So I post the exact same thing he posted and his was civil while mine was not?
Asking someone why are they are here and that they would be better at some other forum is akin to asking them to go away.
As for shutting down the 4e forum. I am starting to think that is a good idea. You might be on to something.
Yes, because that would help continue the anti-4E assumption that paizo has on other boards. Something I very well imagine is good for business.
Fake Healer wrote:
Well following your line of logic:
This is Paizo. They make Pathfinder products and don't support 4E. Why do they have a 4E only forum, they should just close it and be done with it.
I am not trying to sound rude or anything, just curious as to why a publishing company would mantain a forum dedicated to something they don't support or have interest in.
Sarcasm aside, this is a public forum so far. I ask you Fakehealer do you like 4E? do you support 4E? if not why are you on 4E public forum? shouldn't you be on a Pathfinder only forum?
Juast check the sales for the modules and splatbooks, only people that continue gaming would keep buying stuff right?
Heck even Eric Frakking Mona has come out and said it, what was it? 70-80% of the RPG sales. That leaves the rest 20-30% to be split amongst the rest of the big companies ( White Wolf, etc.). So whats left?
LOL, do you know how much revenue the D&D brand makes for HASBRO? Just check the Video game sales.
Also, I posted this at RPG.ney on a similar discussion:
Eric Can you give us any numbers on how good pathfinder stuff sells, so we can try to gauge what is your % share of the market? (or even better just give us your perception of the %).
Andreas Skye wrote:
OK, I see a big house rule on mind-affecting spells coming up in my games...
Actually making monsters inmune to abilities is a type of gaming the designers tried to avoid. Undead are not inmune to charm nor sleep, so when subject to such spells they are affected by them. Try not think about it as skeletons actually sleeping, but being kept in check by the magic in use or actually severing the conecttion of the spirit animating the skeleton for a short while.
I have had this exact reaction, heck even a rules cyclopedia gamer who hated 3E (to the point of not playing with us when we played 3E)is back at our table and loving 4E.
As for the part of the DM, yeah its very nice just having to take 15-30 minutes of prep time instead of the night before to set up the adventure.
The more I Gm 4E, the more I think it was built especially for GMs!
Patrick Curtin wrote:
Sadly I dont see any of those happening in a long time.
Regardless, the DDI + Dungeon/Dragon mags will be free for a year IIRC . That at least will allow for a transitional time plus it will at give tons of free stuff for the game.
Kradlo, I'm also waiting for the Revised 3rd Edition.
Yeah I was gonna buy 3rd edition until I saw that anouncement now I dunno if I should wait or buy the current edition.
Kradlo once you get it can you let us know how different it is?
BTW from the AEG forums I got this about revised edition:
Legend of the Five Rings, Third Edition Revised
In its triumphant third printing, the Legend of the Five Rings RPG Third Edition receives a major update! Now including material such as the Spider Clan, more intuitive combat rules, and more, the Third Edition Revised is everything players both new and old need to jump into the world of the Emerald Empire.
- New and updated character creation and development mechanics including the devious Spider Clan and its new schools.
Legend of the Five Rings Third Edition Revised is an excellent time for you to begin your journey in the Emerald Empire. Whether samurai or shugenja, courtier or artisan, your adventures begin here.
I dont see the hostility in the system. The system just doesnt have any "save or Die' abilities for the players, but those do exist in game (see the Orcus big save or die ability).
Actuallly adding this type of 'save or die' mentality would be rather easy to do.
But the question is:
(IIRC I remember Clark from Necro games talking about a book to reintroduce this type of gaming back into 4E)
here is one version ( just took me 1 minute):
Polymorph Other Wizard Attack 19