PFS 3-03 Echoes of Desperation


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** Venture-Lieutenant, Germany—Berlin

During the Influence Encounter: Are the players supposed to know the possible skills, besides Perception, for the Discovery action?

2/5 5/5 ***** Venture-Lieutenant, Massachusetts—Boston

I've always assumed the Discovery options should be public (not the relative DCs though, if they vary). The full rules in the GMG are silent on this topic though.

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I'm looking into it. It's not necessarily a question about this specific scenario, or even PFS in general, as "whether PCs are aware of which checks they can make in a subsystem" should be covered by the CRB/GMG. I know what I would do as a GM, but that's hardly an official "how the rules work" response.

I'll see what I can learn, and post here once I've learned it.

2/5 5/5 ***** Venture-Lieutenant, Massachusetts—Boston

If you've found any guidance from the Designers it would be great. A large discussion has sprung up recently about the Influence checks as well, with a new reading gaining traction that even those are known at the start, just not the relative ordering in DC.

(The original question was about the Discovery checks in the Influence minigame, this follow-up is about the Influence checks in the same minigame)

4/5 5/5 ** Venture-Agent, Minnesota—St. Louis Park

One possible reading is that discovery would only be for the weaknesses, strengths, and order of the skills — which is easiest.

The skills for both discovery and influence themselves are known, but the rolls are secret. Since you know that you would be making the skill checks, presumably you would be given a chance to spend a hero point so you would at least know if the initial try was a success or failure.

Scarab Sages 3/5 *** Venture-Lieutenant, Nebraska—Bellevue

There does appear to be an incorrect tag in this event. But it's on the Influence check. It should be Concentration and Linguistic. It's listed as Concentration and Secret.

The way I run and explain these to players is. Discovery checks are secret checks, but you do know that it uses perception AND if I tell you two pieced of information, you got a critical success. Trust that.

Influence checks are not secret. But the only one you KNOW will work is Diplomacy. That's not always the easiest skill to use AND there are always other skills. Your reason to try Discover checks - to learn other options (other skills, weaknesses, etc).

Playing it with both checks secret ends up with the GM making all the dice rolls and the PCs will feel less like participants (my opinion).

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Just ran this last night, and ran into what I presume is a small error. The Scouting The Laughing Jungle activity has Society as one of the listes skills, but Survival is not on there at all. I suspect that it got replaced by accident, as I can't really come up with a reason why Survival shouldn't be one of the skills in this activity.

Also, more generally, I strongly feel like Lore skills should have slightly easier DCs if you're trained in them to reward someone who took Jungle Lore rather than pick up the more broadly useful Nature or Survival.

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Mike Kimmel wrote:

I'm looking into it. It's not necessarily a question about this specific scenario, or even PFS in general, as "whether PCs are aware of which checks they can make in a subsystem" should be covered by the CRB/GMG. I know what I would do as a GM, but that's hardly an official "how the rules work" response.

I'll see what I can learn, and post here once I've learned it.

Did we ever get an answer on this?

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For those who have run this, it seems like it should be relatively easy to get all the tale fragments? Has that been people's experience? (5 rounds w/ 4 players to get 10 successes?)

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