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GM Rednal wrote:

If you play mythic games, the Mythic Hero's Handbook has a truly incredible number of mythic feats.

It's over 1,000!!!

Not enough. To be truly Mythic, it has to be over 9000! We need more mythic feats!

Woo! What's coming for Mythic Minis 100?

Yet another query: you monster. Specifically, you CR: 1d30 ⇒ 21 (or less) monster! Which are you?! ... and would this have been your first choice? If not, which would be?

If I'm allowed to pick Mythic Monsters then I would be a Mythic Arbiter (CR 3/ MR 1). My first choice would have been a beholder of some sort.

But the wheels of fate-time have spun again, and your everything has been transposed into that of someone else! You've just become a prepublished NPC from an official source! Which prepublished NPC is it?

I'd be the unnamed Aundairian changeling rogue 3 from Races of Eberron, page 53.

What campaign setting do you run around in? Why?

Assuming I'm not bound to the same setting as my previous answer, Questhaven, 'cause it's awesome.

And now I have to go get groceries, so I'll finish answering later.

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If you could have 1d4 ⇒ 1 different super-powers, what would they be and why?

The ability not to lose my focus when I don't want to.

If you could have 1d4 ⇒ 1 different super-powers, what would they be and why?

If, instead, you could be a gestalt of 1d2 + 1 ⇒ (1) + 1 = 2 super heroes, who would you gestalt to be yourself? Why? Which comic universe would you run around in? Would you prefer to be in that one, or this one?

Sonar/Brad (Strongfemaleprotagonist universe) // Mera (Prime Earth/New 52/DC Rebirth universe)

On the other hand: BAM! You just gained 3d6 + 2 ⇒ (2, 4, 1) + 2 = 9 levels in a Pathfinder class (or classes)! Which class(es) do you pick, and why? Incidentally, if you could spontaneously switch races, would you? And if so, to which?

Either Maestro or Herbalist, because I enjoy playing Maestros and Herbalists I want life to be fun! Although maybe sorcerer if I got to pick my spells.

Similarly, you won the super-lottery, and gained mythic tiers! 3d3 + 1 ⇒ (1, 3, 2) + 1 = 7 of 'em! (And you gain class levels to match; please feel free to change your previous answer if this does so for some reason.) What path do you take? (Alternate option: substitute a single tier for a simple mythic template.)

My class would still be either Herbalist or Maestro probably, and since I don't have a Caster Level, [url]http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwwn?Fighter-going-mythic-Choose-archmage-Here s-why#1]I choose Archmage![/url] I might or might not also grab the Mythic Color Blighted Template (Mythic Monster Manual, page 56). Oh, wait, no, you said simple template, and that's not simple. Never mind then, I'm just going straight archmage.

What's the CR range of this product?
How easy are these monsters to use outside of RotRL?

I'd say the order of precedent for which mythic books to get is
1. Mythic Solutions
For the cheapscapes/those on a budget, this small PDF gives you what you really need to make mythic work.
2. Mythic Hero's Handbook
Contains Mythic Solutions and lots more tools that expand the system to where it should have been in the first place.
3. Mythic Monster Manual
Gives you a lot of tools for running a game. You might also want to consider picking up the individual Mythic Monsters supplements, since they contain a lot that wasn't compiled into the hardcover.
4. Mythic Spell Compendium...is the most straightforwards of the lot. Just like the Mythic Spells in Mythic Adventures, it gives you mythic versions of lots and lots of previously-published nonmythic spells.

At bare minimum, get the PDF that provides a number of fixes for the system (it's also in the Hero's Handbook, by the way). The basic Mythic Adventures is basically a beta for the system, and mythic games are unquestionably better with this support.

The PDF Rednal is referring to is Mythic Solutions, which is identical to chapter six of the Mythic Hero's Handbook.

The link doesn't work. Someone needs to take Mythic Making Links Work.
I put Path of the Reluctant Hero in my cart, though:)
The link issue appears to be that you prepended this thread's URL with the one you wanted.
This should work....

IIRC Mythic Advanced Class Guide class features, feats, and spells were originally going to be a stretch goal of Mythic Mania. That stretch goal was swapped out for something else within a few hours of it being posted, with the stated reason being that Jason/Neil didn't want to commit to working with a then-unreleased rulebook that no one had seen. Now, I'd be completely on-board with new supplements for mythic class features for all the new classes, including the unchained classes and the vigilante when it comes out. Most of the ACG class features are already mythic-ized (since they are duplicates of features of older classes), but there are still a few there that could use some mythic-ization, along with the occult adventures classes.

And if everything in the ACG, PFU, OA, UIntrigue and Horror Adventures ultimately gets a mythic treatment, then we could have enough for a second round of Mythic Mania Kickstarter hardcovers!

I can definitely recommend the Gothic Campaign Compendium at this price for those who don't already have it.

The Mythic Minis bundle is a good deal for those without the Mythic Hero's Handbook (though you may be better off just buying the MHH directly from the Legendary store while it is on sale).

The Mythic Monster Bundle is also a good deal if you can afford it, though the price is rather high to spend all at once. Is this bundle a temporary sale, or is it going to be a permanent bundle a la the Interjection Games Class Bundle and Rite's 101/30/In the Company Of/Secrets Of bundles?

Well, my favorite mythology is Greek, but that's for the stories; there aren't as that many cool monsters compared to other mythologies. The Romans added some other creatures that would make good monster manual entries.
Given the relatively small size of the Mythic Monster installments, though, you could probably do one entirely with Greek creatures. Whether or not other people want that is another question entirely.

Outside of the Greco-Roman sphere, I'd be interested in a Mythic Japanese mythology installment.

If you are considering using mythic rules, the Mythic Hero's Handbook is highly recommended, and possibly required. Mythic Adventures is essentially a buggy feature-incomplete alpha version of the mythic rules, and the MHH is the real deal.

One of the things it adds is "Mythic Class Features". For each class feature, there is an upgraded version you can get by spending either a mythic feat or a mythic universal path ability. They have mythic class features for every Paizo class written prior to the Advanced Class Guide, and a handful of non-Paizo classes. So, those are some nice options for paladins. The book also has other mythic path abilities which play nicely with paladins.

You might also consider the Mythic Spell Compendium, which has mythic versions of all Paizo spells prior to the ACG which don't appear in Mythic Adventures, as well as many non-Paizo mythic spells. As a spellcaster, paladins can benefit from it.

Legendary Paladins also has some good options for paladins.

Rite Publishing also has a lot of great options for paladins. Their three Secrets of the Divine supplements are useful to all divine casters, and give a lot of insight into their upcoming campaign setting Questhaven. The Secrets of Adventuring also has a fair number of paladin-friendly options.
Note: you can get all of Rite Publishing's "Secrets of ___" PDFs for a heavily discounted bundle.

On the cheaper side, Rite Publishing also has 10 Paladin Magic Items. 101 Simple Archetypes contains 5 paladin archetypes, and 1001 Spells contains hundreds of paladin spells.

Hrmm, it seems a bit odd using this alias when less than half of the products I am recommending are Legendary Games. Maybe I need a Legendary and Rite alias?

EDIT: Ah, right, and Spheres of Power has archetypes converting each of the core spellcasters to use SoP.

Thanks for the interest in a separate forum and/or avatars, folks. It sounds like Chris has pretty conclusively answered the avatars question.

One thing that might be possible is to see if we could get a new subsection created in the "Third-Party Pathfinder RPG Products" group for 3PP Adventure Paths. Obviously ours is just beginning, but having a home for posts on other 3PP APs like Way of the Wicked, Throne of Night, Zeitgeist, etc. might be helpful as well, as an analogue to the Pathfinder AP section. For players, GMs, PBPers, and more, that might be a helpful way to set that aside from the general churn of the catch-all "Product Discussion" section.

I have no idea of the technical requirements involved and whether that would be a small or large request, but we have sections now for:

Product Discussion
Advice and Rules Questions
Conversions
Suggestions/House Rules/Homebrew

If that's something you'd like to see, let Chris, Vic, etc. know and maybe it can happen.

I have mixed feelings about this idea.

If you had only posted about Legendary Planet in a separate AP-specific subforum, I might not have seen it while the kickstarter was running, and that would have been unfortunate because I'm really enjoying it so far.

On the other hand, I'm sort of glad that it isn't tied too deeply to the Assimilation Strain. Traits are something you keep for the entire campaign, and the Assimilation Strain is
a)Just the first level, and
b)Supposed to be optional.

I like that assimilation strain is there, but if I want to run To Worlds Unknown without having run Assimilation Strain first, it's nice that the traits still make sense.

Planar/Multiverse Adventures

You mean Dark Roads and Golden Hells?

Ultimate Strongholds / Ultimate Kingdom

You mean Ultimate Rulership?

Primitive Adventures / Adventures Through Time

You mean Anachronistic Adventures?

In addition to what Anguish said, if you want to play with the mythic rules, regardless of whether you want to use mythic psionics, you should really get the Mythic Hero's Handbook for its "Mythic Class Features" and "Mythic Solutions", which fix a lot of the issues discovered in Mythic Adventures in more than a year of subsequent play. Frankly, after reading and using the MHH, I can't look at the original Mythic Adventures as anything but a woefully incomplete and unpolished first draft. The Mythic Hero's Handbook is the real deal.

Unless I am mistaken--
is this not the first Mythic Monsters supplement in which none of the monsters are in the Mythic Monster Manual?
And for the record, I suggested Mythic Daemons back in 2013:D

Woo! More mythic support for two hardcovers that I didn't actually like to begin with. But I didn't like Ultimate Magic either, and I still loved the MSpC and MHH, so my enjoyment of your mythic-izations doesn't seem to depend on my enjoyment of the original thing you mythic-ize. So heck yea, I'm getting both Mythic Magic: Advanced Spells III and Mythic Magic: Occult Spells.

However I feel the urge to point out that Amanda Hamon Kunz is credited as an author in the Mythic Spell Compendium, so this won't exactly be her LG debut.

I can do those I have (which unfortunately is not all of them due to money as well).
Are there more Mythic Monster supplements planned now, or are you on hiatus from Mythic?

Well... hearing more and more feedback from folks who DO enjoy mythic content certainly helps. There just didn't seem to be a lot of that love associated with Wrath, alas. Either because people are more prone to post when they're angry than they are when they're happy, because I take the negative comments to heart more quickly than the positive ones, or more likely due to a combination of the two.

There are other possibilities. For example, it is quite possible that a lot of people love Mythic but not Wrath of the Righteous.

I love the mythic rules. Aside from MA, I have three hardcover mythic rulebooks that I helped fund via kickstarter. I recently backed a KS for a mythic adventure path (which I assume you already knew about, seeing as "James Jacobs writes a section" was a stretch goal:) ). I have an abundance of smaller PDF mythic supplements. And I've been playing with

But I couldn't stand WotR. There are essentially three areas in which it falls short:

Firstly, the CR/ELs are way off. Mythic Adventures asserts that one mythic tier is worth approximately half a character level. That assertion is wrong. A mythic tier gives significantly more of a power boost than half a level. The first mythic tier is also worth more than subsequent tiers, but Mythic Adventures values all of them the same. The encounters in Wrath are built around this faulty assumption.
Chapter six of the Mythic Heroes Handbook contains a lot of optional rules which can make that assumption accurate, by giving mythic monsters more durability and toning down aspects of mythic characters that were overestimated originally. I think you can also purchase that chapter separately, for those who don't want the entire MHH (EDIT: Yep, found it.) If you want encounters to challenge Mythic PCs, you either need to implement some of the optional rules in the MHH, or you need to use higher CR monsters than Mythic Adventures would have you believe are appropriate. WotR did neither of these things.

Secondly, you overestimated non-mythic monsters. In Mythic there are a lot of abilities of the form

This ability does X. However, if your enemy is non-mythic, this ability does Y, and Y is insanely powerful and can't be blocked by anything except by being Mythic.

When abilities like that one come in to play, the status of being mythic is more important than the actual abilities granted by a Mythic tier or rank! A party of Mythic PCs can steamroll encounters of all non-mythic creatures, even those way above their challenge rating, by using abilities which are extremely potent against non-mythic foes.

Lastly, I personally found the story in WotR abysmally dull. It is entirely a matter of preference and has absolutely nothing to do with the Mythic rules.
Amusingly, in the first sentence of the preceding paragraph, I typed "abyssally dull" several times before getting it right. Looks like the Worldwound's influence is spreading to my keyboard:)

The latest (and, for now, the very last) of our Mythic Minis

That's sad news in my opinion. I understand that the recent Mythic Minis were basically just taken from the Mythic Mania books, and so people might just be more inclined to buy those instead.

Chemlak wrote:

Callous Jack wrote:

So...when do we see Ultimate Rulership Part Deux?

Also, you'll note that there are three mass combat books in the Ultimate Plug-ins line (UBat, UWar, and UArm) and only one Kingdom rules expansion, which might mean that there's limited scope for more rules about it (but if you can think of something, throw it out!), and Jason needs to take care since there is quite a lot of enthusiasm for an Ultimate Kingdom compilation, and every product added increases the size of such a compilation, and makes it more of an effort to produce (which drives costs up, which drives prices up, which makes it less appealing to gamers which means fewer sales, which means less chance of getting compilations...)

On the other hand, more Kingdom rules tickles my fancy, so please don't take this as a negative response to the idea. I think it's a great suggestion.

Some thoughts (with inspiration from Sid Meier's Civilization games)

• Culture-specific kingdom buildings (based on real-world lands; IP-protected ones are out of bounds)
  
• Culture-specific military units (based on real-world lands; IP-protected ones are out of bounds)
  
• Expanded trade options - Invest some BP and risk losing it, breaking even, or making a bundle. (possibly expanding the Caravan rules for more trade-focused caravans)
  
• Politicking between organizations and the kingdom, such as a Church/State detente or alliance, Mage School/Church/State tensions, etc. (possibly incorporating the Faction rules).
  
• Something about facilities or satellite settlements within the same hex as a settlement
  
• Adaptation of manorial holdings (inspired by A Magical Medieval Society: Western Europe, from Expeditious Retreat Press) into the kingdom-building rules; such as, perhaps Manors form an alternative to concentrated settlements
  
• Additional edicts and edict types based on the above
  
• If the "politicking" suggestion takes off, some thoughts on scaling the organizations based on the

...

Hey, with all of these subsystems, there might be enough for a complete Rulership hardcover compilation, that didn't need to share space with the other Ultimate lines.

On a completely unrelated note, what's in the pipeline for Legendary Classes?

To be clear, is this the same inherent advancement subsystem that starts on page 318 of the MHH? Or is it something else?

Well, Victoria Jaczko wrote my favorite of the 2014 RPGSS items, and I like what you've done with magic items in the past, so this supplement is of interest to me.

Congratulations to those who got in:)

Looks like you're officially onboard for Legendary Planet! Very excited to see what you bring to it!

And the project is fully funded for levels 1-20, with just two hours to go!

So Erik Mona is writing the introduction to Legendary Planet. Are you and he coordinating your contributions or are you working on separate pieces?

And we've passed 52000. THE ENTIRE AP IS FUNDED!

And we've passed it! Let's keep pushing all the way to 52,000!

New page, so New link to the Legendary Planet Adventure Path Kickstarter!

And we made it to 40,000!

I must say I'm not a fan of James Jacobs. I never have been, really: I'm not wild about the contents of the 3e-era Dungeon and Dragon magazines, barring a few exceptions. I dislike what I have seen of Golarion, and I don't buy Paizo adventure paths.

But I'm still glad to see him joining the Legendary team. At the very least, I hope his name-recognition will get more people to back.

Plus, next time someone tries to convince me that Paizo doesn't pay attention to (or even acknowledge) non-Paizo game companies, I can just laugh manically and point at the credits page of this AP.

Anyhow, we are nearly at the 40,000 mark, almost two-thirds of the way to the completed series!

How do you feel about joining the Legendary Games team for their Legendary Planet AP? Excited? Worried about us not hitting the 50,000 mark? Glad for the chance to use a campaign setting seperate from your own? Unhappy about needing to avoid using your campaign writings?
Presumably not too unhappy, seeing as they convinced you to do it....

New page, so new link to the Legendary Planet Adventure Path Kickstarter!

282 backers!

Mikko's interview with Neil Spicer about the Legendary Planet Adventure Path kickstarter from Legendary Games is now available on A Sword for Hire.

Yay! I don't know how many people read ASfH who don't also come to these forums, but if there are any at all, putting an interview there is worth it.

Guys, it's a new page! There needs to be a new link to the Legendary Planet Kickstarter!

We're at 29,808 with more than a month left. Onwards to completing Confederates of the Shattered Zone.

tbug wrote:

Are the iconics members of existing races? Are these new PC-friendly races being created for the AP?

New playable PC races!

Woo! Are these also going to be available in the campaign setting book (when we eventually get it)?

150 backers and the third adventure is funded!

So they're making a new mythic adventure path...

It really is hard to wait, but I don't want to open a recruitment thread until the Kickstarter page is up. XD Still, I'm definitely excited to see the full release!

I know I'm planning on submitting a character in your game. It will give me a chance to play it in spite of being stuck as the GM in my face-to-face group (and not particularly wanting to use an AP when I run):D

To those in the know: is there going to be a free player's guide the way Paizo does with their adventure paths?

So I'm quite hopeful that we can hit the third stretch goal. Why? Because of your first update:

This is very important because 90% of all kickstarters that reach 30% in the first five days hit their goal, so I am extremely excited to be so far along.

That indicates that 90% of kickstarters reach a level of funding 10/3 times what they had after five days. After five days, this project was 137% funded ($8220), which is 30% of 27,400 dollars. If the trend holds up, we have a 90% chance of hitting 27,400, well past the Legendary Mythic 17,000 stretch goal. And, hopefully, if we do get that far, there will be an equally awesome fourth stretch goal.

Anyone who does not by all three will be eaten by a

Midgard serpent CR 30/MR 10

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Eater of Magic (Su)
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God-Eater (Ex)

It's pretty good at eating stuff, as you can see (and no, I'm not gonna spoiler what those abilities actually do, you have to get the book to see!)

If you somehow escape from the wrath of the Midgard Serpent, you'll still be eaten by a Mythic Tarrasque!