The Godsrain Prophecies Part Three

Wednesday, February 21, 2024

While it would require someone with far more expertise to confirm this absolutely, I am now convinced that this set of so-called prophecies are all authored by the same hand. Some of this is due to the handwriting on the documents that have been found in more pristine condition (it is perhaps fitting that a prophecy dedicated to the death of the Lucky Drunk was found on a scrap of parchment that looked like it had been dragged through the floor of more than one tavern), but the rest I attribute both to the places in which they were discovered and, I believe, the rhythm of the writing (though I would be a bit more sure of that if I had read The Peculiarities of Prophetic Speech more closely despite what I believe to be a truly excessive number of footnotes). I am sure that Lorminos knows someone who can confirm my beliefs if needed. That is if, of course, my Lady wants a set of writings so inflammatory to be so widely seen. I am far from convinced of the truth of any of them, and a single author could point as much to a singular troublemaker wishing to create strife as someone with a sudden gift of foresight.

—Yivali, Apprentice Researcher for the Lady of Graves




The Death of Cayden Cailean

Cayden Cailean had never thought himself a liar. A storyteller, sure, in the tradition of the tavern, where convincing someone of your worth might mean a refilled tankard. Who among his fellow patrons hadn’t added enemies to boost their tale of combat or invented some new twice-trapped room deep within the dungeon of a newly fallen foe? To claim that he’d become a god was more than normal boasting, but he couldn’t quite remember what had happened with the Starstone. Maybe he had passed its test and that was what kept him alive. Maybe he’d become a god and godhood felt no different than mortal existence. Maybe he would take another round of good ale on the house (a thank you from the barkeep for the honor of his presence). Maybe as he told his tale he could almost believe it. At least until the nightly dreams began.

They started off as flashes, tiny moments in the dark of night—a clanging sword that echoed down a long and shadowed hallway, the smell of new-cut marble turned impossibly acrid, the taste of blood and honey in the space behind his tongue. And still, no matter what they were, each vision woke him shuddering—skin drenched in sweat, heart racing wildly, cold breeze crawling up his spine, a voice he’d never heard before that whispered in his eardrums—liar, drunkard, cheater, thief. One day you will pay for this with everything you owe.

Cayden Cailean would never call himself a cheater. How could he know belief alone could make a deity? But every time the story spread that he had passed the Test of Starstone, something shifted in him, brought him that much closer to true divinity. By the time he heard his story chanted like a rowdy prayer, he was every inch the god that he had claimed to be. He did his best to share the gift, empower those who followed him, pass blessings out like cups of drink to those who strived for freedom. But no good deed had earned him pity from the voice that stalked his dreams, a whisper he now recognized as that of the Starstone itself, murmuring about the flask that he kept tight against his waist—forbidden, stolen, holy power. There will be a reckoning.

The flask was Cayden’s property from long before the Starstone, but now it held a draft he’d brought back from the Cathedral—a distillation of the power held within its core. And while he still could not remember what he’d done to make or bring it back, he knew that every sip gave him a taste of the divine. His followers’ convictions may have been the thing that made him a god, but all beliefs grow worn and frayed and faded over time. No matter who believed in him, he knew one thing down to his core: the liquid in his flask was what kept his lie alive.

But every tiny sip of nectar took his dreams on twisted paths, until he dreamt of death in the Cathedral every night. And after he had died each way the Test of Starstone could devise—some with the sound of steel on bone, some with the fall of flesh to floor, some with a bargain on his tongue that faded in a gasping breath—it left him with a final and unalterable verdict: time for you to pay your debt, return to mortal life.

Cayden Cailean had never minded being mortal, but as his story shifted, he mourned his legacy. Word spread, as words are wont to do, of his deceitful rise to grace, and those who’d raised his name in praise could barely muster pity. The innkeepers and brewers he’d counted as his worshipers now barred him from their premises, afraid they would be thought of as complicit in his lie, and soon the one-time god had faded out of public life, so far removed that no one knows quite how and where he died. Some say it happened in an alley, slumped over in the pouring rain, while others claim he died in battle fighting for a righteous cause, or braved the Starstone once again in one last fatal try.

Iomedae and Norgorber, as fellow gods Ascended, both moved to quell the rumors that they had also cheated to obtain divinity—Iomedae appearing on the front lines with her champions in tireless demonstrations of her prowess on the battlefield and Norgorber eliminating each one of his followers who dared to voice dissent or wonder who he used to be. But neither sees the true change that still lurks along the margins, as one after another shop begins to claim that, for a cost, you too can be transformed from mortal life to deity. If all it takes is stories and a liquor no one understands (as noted in a few reports of Cayden’s sad demise), then nothing stops a hundred shops from selling sugar water and a complement of town criers to those who feel that being god is next on their agenda—a warlord here, a despot there, the righteous and the vengeful—and what new revolution might they bring if they do rise?

An array of 20 portraits depicting the gods of the Pathfinder setting. Asmodeus, Cayden Cailean, and Pharasma’s portraits have been marked “safe.”





A god created from belief alone? That is both deeply intriguing and somewhat baffling, as this is the first report I’ve read of such an occurrence. Surely if this were truly possible, I’d have encountered it before in my studies. This will require more research, though with what time I will pursue it I know not. It does make me wonder how many believers one might have to acquire to cross the boundary from mortal to god, and whether belief was nearly as important in this case as the Starstone nectar mentioned above. I have no doubt that if someone were able to distill a liquor from a source of pure divine power, it would be Cayden Cailean, but for those of us not blessed with that specific set of skills, I am struck by the idea that you could solve for number of believers and gain divinity simply by exceeding that threshold. Equations are not my strong suit, but I may see if I can find a collaborator and determine what that number might be. Though it might be difficult to do without revealing where the idea has come from. Perhaps it would be better to wait until I have all the prophecies properly analyzed and know what my Lady wishes to do with them before I begin making them a basis for a new research field, but it is hard not to get excited!


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I knew something was up when one certain character couldn't be the High Priest...


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
Sibelius Eos Owm wrote:

I don't have PC1 on hand to reference, but I understood that Lamashtu's anathema has changed (specifically to swap the mention of mental illness and deformity for a less loaded expression of the same concept).

Nevertheless, Lamashtu is still a demon goddess and my point was not to say that she is not evil. Rather, that she is one of the evil gods who most permits the story of a self-righteous follower who believes that Lamashtu is a savior of the downtrodden on their own perhaps deluded worldview.

It's not that she's not evil, it's that her teachings seem to be the right shade of moral dark grey to make the most interesting story. It's always been a little difficult with alignment telling the story if somebody who believes they're justified when they're slipping in to evil, and Lamashtu not requiring unholy sanctification helps that... even if the fact that she doesn't offer holy is an inconvenient truth to overlook for this follower.

In my Kingmaker CRPG, the Lamashtu priestess/cult leader was a better religious/faith leader than the foolish 'holier-than-thou' Heaven knock-off.

Just sayin.

Hah! Nice. Although to be fair, I kind of hated some of OwlCat's writing choices with regard to depicting some of the deities. In particular, the portrayal of pretty much every aspect of Shelyn's faith struck me very strongly as a case of, "she would not **** allow that," to twist the meme format to my own ends. Took me straight out of caring about that plot line.

For that matter I could complain for another day and night about being prevented from solving a dispute between two factions because I believed in freedom, not just goodness or just individualism, but that's even further than this already slightly off-topic aside.


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Ravien999 wrote:
AceofMoxen wrote:
Arachnofiend wrote:
Shelyn definitely goes into the "more interesting alive than dead" category. Zon Kuthon is just an edgelord without her.
Unless Shelyn's death sets Zon-Kuthton back on the path of light. That creates lots of interesting stories.

There's an old segement from Paizo where they talk about how ZK never really was Dou-Bral, Shelyn's brother, but rather that Dou-Bral was a vessel for ZK's evil self to inhabit like a incubation chamber from himself in another multiverse altogether.

That is to say, if we go by the dev team's old intent, there never was a "Light" option for ZK.

I think we can still go with this in terms of the war, involve Nidal and create a free for all.

So, let's say Shelyn does get the axe, because some evil god or god like being kills her, or she sacrifices herself to save Desna or Saranrae (or even Cayden).

Zk activates, not in the sense of becoming Dou-Bral again, but something is left of Dou-Bral that inspires ZK to act.

And oh boy, he acts. He acts all over the place. He unleashes his own power and the power of Nidal against whatever killed Shelyn. He goes after the gods who could not protect her. He sees EVERYONE as an enemy.

Adding a little more war to war of the immortals.

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Sibelius Eos Owm wrote:

I don't have PC1 on hand to reference, but I understood that Lamashtu's anathema has changed (specifically to swap the mention of mental illness and deformity for a less loaded expression of the same concept).

Nevertheless, Lamashtu is still a demon goddess and my point was not to say that she is not evil. Rather, that she is one of the evil gods who most permits the story of a self-righteous follower who believes that Lamashtu is a savior of the downtrodden on their own perhaps deluded worldview.

It's not that she's not evil, it's that her teachings seem to be the right shade of moral dark grey to make the most interesting story. It's always been a little difficult with alignment telling the story if somebody who believes they're justified when they're slipping in to evil, and Lamashtu not requiring unholy sanctification helps that... even if the fact that she doesn't offer holy is an inconvenient truth to overlook for this follower.

I understand it better now. And yes, not being able to so easily discern the alignment tags on anybody of note anymore makes this kind of character story much easier / more believable.

For your last point, it is actually pretty easy. Just depict Lamashtu as the ultimate forgiving goddess. She will do whatever it takes to keep a hand extended to those whose suffering takes them to evil, and even Unholy, ways. So she will not offer Holy as that would prevent her from reaching out to those who are Unholy.

Maybe there are actually 3 goddesses who encompass the whole dealing with Unholy spectrum. Sarenrae is the center, offering redemption to those who can be saved and a violent end to those who cannot. Iomedae is the latter taken to the extreme of Holy war vs Unholy while Lamashtu stands likewise for the redemption part taken to the extreme that there is none fallen so low that they cannot be brought back.

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Mark Moreland wrote:
Icoret wrote:
So how much of this is canonical then? Does Cayden really believe that he is only a God because he faked passing the test and everybody believed him? Is the drink in his flask real?

What is canon:

1) The nosoi psychopomp, Yivali, uncovered a series of prophecies she (or the original author) refers to as "The Godsrain Prophecies" and has been researching them and annotating them in the process.

2) The prophecies contain the text included in the "The Death of [GODWHODIES]" sections of this webfiction series.

Beyond that, it's all up for debate.

I mean, I can predict that Oppenheimer will win the Best Picture Oscar next month, but until that happens (or doesn't) it's not canon for our real world. Same is true for the contents of these prophecies.

I freely admit that I cannot help but read it as the Godstain Prophecies.


The Raven Black wrote:
Mark Moreland wrote:
Icoret wrote:
So how much of this is canonical then? Does Cayden really believe that he is only a God because he faked passing the test and everybody believed him? Is the drink in his flask real?

What is canon:

1) The nosoi psychopomp, Yivali, uncovered a series of prophecies she (or the original author) refers to as "The Godsrain Prophecies" and has been researching them and annotating them in the process.

2) The prophecies contain the text included in the "The Death of [GODWHODIES]" sections of this webfiction series.

Beyond that, it's all up for debate.

I mean, I can predict that Oppenheimer will win the Best Picture Oscar next month, but until that happens (or doesn't) it's not canon for our real world. Same is true for the contents of these prophecies.

I freely admit that I cannot help but read it as the Godstain Prophecies.

Depending on how bloody the gods die, I would imagine some would actually nickname it to this instead.


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Cole Deschain wrote:

{. . .}

In general, most evil deities are quite capable of becoming pizza cutters depending on how they're handled.
{. . .}

Now I've got this vision in which Urgathoa is the one that dies, and it takes her all the way to Starfinder time to come back, but as an intermediate stage in coming back, she secretly gets a job in a pizza parlor . . . .


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I'd hate to be the Health Department inspector for that restaurant...

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Dragonchess Player wrote:
I'd hate to be the Health Department inspector for that restaurant...

The food service is probably 5-star and top-notch.

The food waste disposal service, on the other hand...


Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
Depending on how bloody the gods die, I would imagine some would actually nickname it to this instead.

I could swear that I read in some official source about how a god was literally torn apart, and gobbets of godstuff rained down on the world and that's how we god exemplars.


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Pa'aan Inubrix wrote:
Dragonchess Player wrote:
I'd hate to be the Health Department inspector for that restaurant...

The food service is probably 5-star and top-notch.

The food waste disposal service, on the other hand...

This is somewhere that Urgathoa's roles as "the goddess of disease" and "the goddess of hedonism" obviously run at cross purposes, so an individual follower would have to choose which aspects of the portfolio to emphasize. I think that's a reasonable way to do it, a follower of Pharasma could choose to emphasize whether to focus more on birth or death, after all.


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PossibleCabbage wrote:
Pa'aan Inubrix wrote:
Dragonchess Player wrote:
I'd hate to be the Health Department inspector for that restaurant...

The food service is probably 5-star and top-notch.

The food waste disposal service, on the other hand...

This is somewhere that Urgathoa's roles as "the goddess of disease" and "the goddess of hedonism" obviously run at cross purposes, so an individual follower would have to choose which aspects of the portfolio to emphasize.

I was also thinking about the "specialty toppings" that Urgathoa might offer to "select customers"...


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PossibleCabbage wrote:
Pa'aan Inubrix wrote:
Dragonchess Player wrote:
I'd hate to be the Health Department inspector for that restaurant...

The food service is probably 5-star and top-notch.

The food waste disposal service, on the other hand...

This is somewhere that Urgathoa's roles as "the goddess of disease" and "the goddess of hedonism" obviously run at cross purposes, so an individual follower would have to choose which aspects of the portfolio to emphasize. I think that's a reasonable way to do it, a follower of Pharasma could choose to emphasize whether to focus more on birth or death, after all.

The wines and cheeses, though....


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Godsrain Contingencies week 3 available now!
When Yivali held death in her talons, she feared delivering such terrible warning without also hope. Included in her annotations was research into what the world might become if each gods death were to occur, and thus what contingencies could be made.

Cayden Cailean updates are now included. Learn about the Ill Luck Inebriates and how even the gods have reacted to Cayden's fall. Check out new feats, items, a whole new archetype, the Agnosticator Archetype where you use your power of disbelief to shut down the followers of the god you're trying to remove from divinity.
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Week 3 is five full pages dedicated to new material for Cayden Cailean.

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  • 1 new item
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Calliope5431 wrote:
Ravien999 wrote:
AceofMoxen wrote:
Arachnofiend wrote:
Shelyn definitely goes into the "more interesting alive than dead" category. Zon Kuthon is just an edgelord without her.
Unless Shelyn's death sets Zon-Kuthton back on the path of light. That creates lots of interesting stories.

There's an old segement from Paizo where they talk about how ZK never really was Dou-Bral, Shelyn's brother, but rather that Dou-Bral was a vessel for ZK's evil self to inhabit like a incubation chamber from himself in another multiverse altogether.

That is to say, if we go by the dev team's old intent, there never was a "Light" option for ZK.

Do you have a link? That sounds fascinating!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85dKiL51pGE&t=876s&ab_channel=Paizo timestamped to the relevant period - It was meant to be part of an AP but according to James Jacobs here, this is the intent/canon.


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I think I said something like this before, but wouldn't it be interesting if Shelyn found a way to take on Dou-Bral's corruption? Being the stronger-willed of the two, it wouldn't take her completely, but it would change her while freeing Dou-Bral to be something like himself again--or, if we keep the above original intent, allowing someone new like Dou-Bral to emerge. I feel like Shelyn's ownership of the glaive has always felt like a very cool ticking time bomb, the idea that over time, she might begin to show cracks at the seams, to become more "imperfect". Not evil--she's too strong for that--and maybe not even neutral, but perhaps more morally gray, more conflicted. More an embodiment of the duality of love and the things that cause love to come undone.

Now that would be a change for the Prismatic Ray.


If Shelyn takes on the parasite using Dou-Bral as its host, since Zon-Kuthon is a god of Darkness, does that mean that Shelyn would only be able to tolerate so much sunlight?


What I want to know is, do we still call it the Prismatic Ray after Arazni joins? She doesn't really have a light or color or art motif. On the other hand, her symbol looks like she was made to pine after Desna. Doesn't it look kind of moth-y to anyone else? Maybe the new name will have a floral theme. Something to do with wildflowers.


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Kobold Catgirl wrote:

I think I said something like this before, but wouldn't it be interesting if Shelyn found a way to take on Dou-Bral's corruption? Being the stronger-willed of the two, it wouldn't take her completely, but it would change her while freeing Dou-Bral to be something like himself again--or, if we keep the above original intent, allowing someone new like Dou-Bral to emerge. I feel like Shelyn's ownership of the glaive has always felt like a very cool ticking time bomb, the idea that over time, she might begin to show cracks at the seams, to become more "imperfect". Not evil--she's too strong for that--and maybe not even neutral, but perhaps more morally gray, more conflicted. More an embodiment of the duality of love and the things that cause love to come undone.

Now that would be a change for the Prismatic Ray.

I'd be here for a goth'd up Shelyn.


Like it feels like the Shelyn/ZK story can only really continue if ZK dies and Shelyn does not, since the parasite in Dou-Bral doesn't really care about Dou-Bral's sister except in the sense of "causing pain is fun" so if ZK kills Shelyn the story kind of ends.

But if Shelyn tries to cut the parasite out of her brother, and something goes awry then we have a whole bunch of different directions we can take the story.

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Isn't Zon-Shelyn a thing in Starfinder ?

I don't expect to see the same story in both settings. Not even a similar one.


The Raven Black wrote:

Isn't Zon-Shelyn a thing in Starfinder ?

I don't expect to see the same story in both settings. Not even a similar one.

Which is why I'm expecting the opposite, Shelyn dies and possesses ZK.

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