Apex of Power

Deriven Firelion wrote:

A bear hug for Strength modifier damage at the level you would obtain these items is a fricking joke of an ability. I did 6 or 7 damage to the enemy with 300 hit points. Oh boy. They really felt that bear hug.

I mean, there are already reasons to grapple people with one action. This is just free damage on top of that. Like it looks like this stacks with Crushing Grab, since that's a "when you successfully grapple" clause.

Of course, maybe Crushing Grab will be different now.

But I think it's good to design the ability portion of apex items with a mixture of "powerful effect, limited uses" and "useful but not dramatic effect, unlimited uses."

Mechs in Starfinder are dramatic and overpowered. Mechs get around the "useful but not dramatic effect, unlimited uses." by making the average Party Level 3 levels higher than normal. Overpowered magic items as powerful as mechs might be hard to do in PF2e with its tighter math.

Still no eye of robes? Sadness.

magnuskn wrote:

Baelor the Bard wrote:

Thanks. I wish I could do Paizo Con Online but sadly I think a lot of it is during work hours, but I'll watchstuff afterward.

Will the panels be put up for free somewhere after they have happened or do you also need to get an online ticket for their archival recordings? Are there archival recordings in the first place? Since I live in Germany, the time difference and just work hours are not compatible with life viewing for me.

Yes, stream VoDs are instantly available on twitch.tv/OfficialPaizo right at the same place that they're livestreamed, and then they'll also be uploaded to YouTube. And I know that for past years' conventions, audio-only recordings have been uploaded to a podcast feed afterward, so maybe those could happen this year, too!

Captain Morgan wrote:

I wish the cloak wasn't a cloak. Feels like it will compete with the stealth slot too much. Though I suppose I shouldn't assume the stealth items will remain cloaks.

Though from another design perspective, for example making it a pair of anklets or gloves would be bad for "coverage", since for 17th level the anklets of alacrity and pilferer's gloves already exist on AoN and remain legal; the cloak provides an option for people who are interested in other anklets or gloves!

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Are items from Treasure Vault, like the artifacts with the bear armor and the gellid crystal, going to be remastered?

Are items from Treasure Vault, like the artifacts with the bear armor and the gellid crystal, going to be remastered?

They might be errataed down the line if need be, just like any item. But Treasure Vault will not get a Remastered version.

Are items from Treasure Vault, like the artifacts with the bear armor and the gellid crystal, going to be remastered?

The apex items being remastered are ones named after classic D&D items like the Belt of Giant Strength. Treasure Vault didn't really have any D&D-named items, so it probably won't be remastered based on what we know at the moment.

If you're asking if any Treasure Vault items are going to be pulled into core, I dunno. Hobgoblin weapons might accompany the hobgoblin reprint, and energy mutagen was often considered an odd exclusion from core/common alchemy before Treasure Vault. Archetype artifacts would be a surprising choice for the core books, though, and if they did include some, they'd probably want new ones so there would be more than two total.

Still no eye of robes? Sadness.

No one is stopping a character from wrapping their robes around their eyes. I think we call those blindfolds. As an Apex item, it might need a better rename anyway to avoid OGL concerns.

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

Are items from Treasure Vault, like the artifacts with the bear armor and the gellid crystal, going to be remastered?

The apex items being remastered are ones named after classic D&D items like the Belt of Giant Strength. Treasure Vault didn't really have any D&D-named items, so it probably won't be remastered based on what we know at the moment.

If you're asking if any Treasure Vault items are going to be pulled into core, I dunno. Hobgoblin weapons might accompany the hobgoblin reprint, and energy mutagen was often considered an odd exclusion from core/common alchemy before Treasure Vault. Archetype artifacts would be a surprising choice for the core books, though, and if they did include some, they'd probably want new ones so there would be more than two total.

So items like the Staff of the Magi and the Staff of Power>

QuidEst wrote:

The apex items being remastered are ones named after classic D&D items like the Belt of Giant Strength. Treasure Vault didn't really have any D&D-named items, so it probably won't be remastered based on what we know at the moment.

If you're asking if any Treasure Vault items are going to be pulled into core, I dunno. Hobgoblin weapons might accompany the hobgoblin reprint, and energy mutagen was often considered an odd exclusion from core/common alchemy before Treasure Vault. Archetype artifacts would be a surprising choice for the core books, though, and if they did include some, they'd probably want new ones so there would be more than two total.

So items like the Staff of the Magi and the Staff of Power>

I would imagine so. On the plus side, the more things that need replacement, the more things we'll have multiple versions of. (Or at least, multiple versions for the niche.)

Staff of the Magi has a name that didn't age well in Pathfinder for reasons completely unrelated to OGL -- it sounds like an item for a Magus (which in 1st Edition, has an archetype specializing in Staves, and in 2nd Edition, has a Hybrid Study doing so).

Still no eye of robes? Sadness.

Sure there is, though the name is different.

For Cloak of Swiftness: If user has perma fly speed, just concealed for 1 hour?

For Cloak of Swiftness: If user has perma fly speed, just concealed for 1 hour?

Yep. There are several other dexterity apex items for that reason.

To each their own. Personally, over time I have come to very much like the classic player book | gm book | monster book division, and don't mind magic items largely being the purview of the GM.

I think the bigger issue is what has to get dropped from GMG for page count if its replacement absorbs the shopping pages from the CRB?

bugleyman wrote:

To each their own. Personally, over time I have come to very much like the classic player book | gm book | monster book division, and don't mind magic items largely being the purview of the GM.

I think the bigger issue is what has to get dropped from GMG for page count if its replacement absorbs the shopping pages from the CRB?

The no-alignment variant rules ?

bugleyman wrote:

To each their own. Personally, over time I have come to very much like the classic player book | gm book | monster book division, and don't mind magic items largely being the purview of the GM.

I think the bigger issue is what has to get dropped from GMG for page count if its replacement absorbs the shopping pages from the CRB?

Paring down variant rules now that they have had a few years to see what people use (I don't think "split dexterity into two stats" caught on like free archetype did), maybe NPCs end up in the bestiary and alchemical items in PC2, dropping item quirks and maybe even cursed items, perhaps general and homebrew setting advice gets condensed or uses Golarion as examples to combine it with setting information, maybe cut down on the artifacts section.

... But considering the GM Core is 80 pages bigger than the GMG, I think that does a lot of the heavy lifting.