
Dunesparrow |

Hey there.
Evening at the Canny Jackal states 'To win the scenario, each characters hand, deck and discard pile must total at least 21 cards.'
In regards to this, can you please advise where a characters buried cards are considered to be ?
I'm playing as CD Amiri and would like to know if I have made a sup-optimal choice.
Thanks

Frencois |

Evening at the Canny Jackal states 'To win the scenario, each characters hand, deck and discard pile must total at least 21 cards.'
In regards to this, can you please advise where a characters buried cards are considered to be ?
I'm playing as CD Amiri and would like to know if I have made a sup-optimal choice.
Since it's not on the list, buried cards don't count in the total. Simple. Cards do what they say and don't do what they don't say.
In this scenario, Amiri will have to do without burying too much. This is where the fun starts when you don't have to always play the same character the same way.

Dunesparrow |

Hey there.
Thanks for the response Frencois.
Is anyone aware of any other Scenarios that have turned a specific characters power from beneficial to detrimental? and if so what are those scenarios?
Here is a list of characters who use the bury mechanic:
Amiri (CD)
Amiri (RotRL)
Brielle
Ostog
Maznar
Reta
Ramexes
Raz
Alase
Balazar (CD)
Crowe
It seems harsh to make a characters power into a negative effect for the party.

Frencois |
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Hey there.
Thanks for the response Frencois.
Is anyone aware of any other Scenarios that have turned a specific characters power from beneficial to detrimental?....
Oh yes! I can think of many cases where specific scenarios force a character to change her game because it impacts the relative value of this character's powers:
- Scenarios where the hench/villain is unaffected by attack spells (and therefore also powers that count as playing an attack spell) or immune to specific attacks?- Triggers that hurt scouting powers
- Scenarios where moving is costly or random that makes it hard for support characters to be with other ones and therefore to use powers affecting characters at your location
- Scenarios where you hand size is reduced, which has a very different effect on some characters' powers
- Locations where you cannot play certain cards (spells, allies...) or must play it with a price
- Hench/villains that make you bury/banish the weapon you use against them
- and so on
I don't see it at all as "negative". This is not a videogame where you try to beat the high score by minmaxing characters. I see each scenario as a different puzzle/challenge where the relative role of party members may have to be thought again each time.

Dunesparrow |

Hey there.
I am sorry for not being clearer in my question. I should have asked:
Is anyone aware of any other Scenario Cards that have turned a specific characters power from beneficial to detrimental for the party?
I think that the examples are not the same as the 'Evening at the Canny Jackal'Scenario, as they effect everyone in the party, you are still able to succeed, you can choose which character in the party to tackle the challenge or they only occur if a specific character encounters a specific card.
Whereas with these characters your choice is :
1.use my power and decrease the parties chances of successfully completing the Scenario
or
2. not use my power at all
Ahhhhhh I forgot about Gronk
I have often wondered why some characters like Ak exists at all.

Longshot11 |

And why does the _human_ sorcerer have pointy ears?
Now, why would you go ahead and just assume things about how someone self-identifies?
Also, I just love how Ozirion apparently doesn't have slavers, but 'relocation and employment assistants'. Makes me wanna play a Cleric of Milani...

Frencois |

I think that the examples are not the same as the ...
OK I may have got it wrong, but if I understand well, the bury power from Amiri is a "you may" power. Nothing forces her to use it.
So take a scenario like the regatta. You lose if you close a location. Then take a character like Ramexes that has a power that says "you may... to add ... to your check to close a location". Nothing forces him to use it. But if he does the scenario is lost. Aren't we in the same case (i. e. in certain scenarios some of your powers may have a reverse effect)?
Actually it's worse with Ramexes: if he uses his power once the game is immediately lost. Not the case for Amiri that can bury multiple cards and still win the scenario (by aquiring cards or reveiving cards from others).

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Another fairly common example: Villain has text that makes it undefeated/evade unless it is the last card in the location deck. It starts on the bottom, or has been placed there through careful play. Merisiel has a power to evade whatever she likes, but if she uses it there, she shuffles the deck moving the villain off the bottom, which makes winning much tougher.

Dave Riley |

Panic deck? Aaaaaaah!
I initially thought this would be No Big Thing until Simoun kept running into henchman that could only be defeated by Charisma/Diplomacy. :<
Don't think we went over 7 cards in the panic deck, but random distribution of Cha/Diplomacy-requiring henchman in the decks Simoun could reasonably close and Combat henchmen in the decks she couldn't, really, lead to a lot of "well, I set this deck up for you, Estra, I-l'll just start scouting the next location..."

Mike Selinker Lone Shark Games |

Why does the Canny Jackal location specify that you must "draw" the ally you acquire? What else would you do with it, except put it in your hand?
Because there's some sponginess in the game around "summon and encounter" when it applies to a boon. Summoned cards always go back to the box, so we have to explicitly say when they don't.
We also did this for the card Aspis Analysis in Season of Plundered Tombs 3-1B: This One Time at Aspis Camp.

Frencois |

Why does the Canny Jackal location specify that you must "draw" the ally you acquire? What else would you do with it, except put it in your hand?
I guess it's
1) to overrule the base "summoned cards always go back in the box" rule.2) to trigger potentially powers that trigger on drawing cards (else they could have just say "put it in your hand")
IMHO, because I too made myself the same remark when reading the card
Wooow, ninjaed my Not-this-Mike himself!

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Do I have it right that if there is a bunch of characters in your location when you encounter the silver chain smuggler, chances are all the boons on top of your location will be banished, up to the first bane that was there?
Yes, that would happen whenever the number of boons above the first bane is less than or equal to the number of characters at your location who don't have the Attack trait on their check to defeat their smuggler. Since this scenario makes your group bunch up, you might want to help make sure your friends are equipped with Attacks.

Berselius |

The young man managing the auction offered Estra a well-muscled arm and led her to a soft cushion to rest. "May I?" he asked, unfurling the small carpet she kept tucked under her arm. His voice was rich and warm as he comforted, "Ask for Ptemenib if you desire for anything else, Honored Grandmother."
I hereby nominate Ptemenib as business manager of the year! All in favor say I! :D

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Ron Lundeen wrote:Why does the Canny Jackal location specify that you must "draw" the ally you acquire? What else would you do with it, except put it in your hand?Because there's some sponginess in the game around "summon and encounter" when it applies to a boon. Summoned cards always go back to the box, so we have to explicitly say when they don't.
We also did this for the card Aspis Analysis in Season of Plundered Tombs 3-1B: This One Time at Aspis Camp.
This FAQ entry allows us to stop doing that.