Ugh. I've been there.
Hope the family drama resolves smoothly for you.
Single File:
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8Two by Two:
1-3-5-7
2-4-6-81- Deshe 2- Dargys 3- Alistair 4- Rasmus 5- (Belfer) 6- (Erik) 7- (Klaus) 8- (Sethiel)
The one in the brackets are just place holders. I just plugged them in so far. Thoughts?
It's got my approval.
It works.
Works for me as well.
No problems with the order here.
So sorry for being absent. Some family drama. I’ll get caught up by tomorrow night, promise.
I apologize for just seeing this. I'm sorry to hear about the family stuff. Thanks for letting us know, and no rush. Get the family stuff squared away and we will still be here.
Works for me. I'll protect our flank!
@Belfer Bramblewood: What connections does Belfer have to the resident magic community based on our illustrious GM's description?
WIZARD
Many wizards of note and accomplishment belong to the Sagacious Masters of the Eldritch Nexus. Neophyte spellcasters are barred from full membership of the guild but may still study with its masters. Other wizards—typically those born into wealth—may study under an independent teacher.
Figured maybe it's a possibility, albeit only a remote one, that Klaus and Belfer may have crossed paths or be aware of each other.
@DM-Shane Joseph: Exactly how vast is the Sagacious Masters of the Eldritch Nexus? Are we talking like a grand network and hierarchy similar to a guild or like a few super-wizards and their disciples and henchmen, but relatively low in number?
Also, do you want to kind of assign the Master Wizard (are they called wizards/mages/magisters/other random fantasy world title?) under whom Klaus trained, or would you prefer me to make that up myself? I don't think I know enough about the world yet to understand how Klaus fits in to the magical order yet aside from—money talks, and there's usually always a wizard who needs it for some crazy research.
@DM-Shane Joseph: And another thing...I hope I don't presume too much regarding Klaus' ability to pay the group's food & drink tabs and other generally simple expenses. If you want the spending of each copper accounted for, I will refrain from such generalities, but I figured our boy whose family is literally spilling money from every pocket currently would be very generous in most social settings for his friends.
I definitely am not expecting you'd approve Klaus to suddenly be an endless source of wealth allowing the party to kit out with epic gear or anything! Just kind of handwaving cheap stuff as being covered by Klaus (assuming he's present) that comes up as he doesn't really have any sense of the value of a mere 1 or 2 gold these days.
@Dargys: How would Dargys feel about Klaus giving him money? Like straight up charity basically.
Ooo good question. He'd probably wince and try to decline, but if his family hurts enough, he'd give in.
Now, if Klaus offered to HIRE Dargys for something, that saves Dargys pride I think. Heck , he could get Dargys to go adventuring just by saying "Okay equal shares for us PLUS, even if we find nothing, here's five gold" or whatever ;) That would be enough to 'assure' his family ate for awhile AND save his pride.
@Belfer Bramblewood: What connections does Belfer have to the resident magic community based on our illustrious GM's description?
Figured maybe it's a possibility, albeit only a remote one, that Klaus and Belfer may have crossed paths or be aware of each other.
There wasn't a lot of information regarding gnomes in the Gloamhold setting that I could find. Thus, I figured Belfer came from a distant town/city, probably gnomish, where children are raised by the community. Wizard training took more of a home school approach from one or more residents. This lack of formal education allowed his idiosyncratic "specialty" to grow, where a guild/school would probably quash unconventional schools of magic.
Of course, that doesn't help for a hook...
Maybe the guild/school learned of his unique ideas and requested him to put together a presentation?
Otherwise Belfer has been in town for several weeks now, studying/experimenting at the tavern, so word might have gotten around of the eccentric wizard that would have prompted arcane discussions at the tavern before?
@Klaus (and Belfer) the Sagacious Masters of the Eldritch Nexus is the only known guild for mages in Ashlar. You would know they reside in the Black Tower to the northeast. They do not have guild houses throughout, that is their one location.
For anyone wanting to join them, they would take a pilgrimage to the Black Tower to join. They do have “eyes and ears” throughout Ashlar that brings word to them if they come across someone most worthy to join.
Who might have trained Klaus, the most known would be Saini Alanen. To give you an idea she is a level 4 wizard… but that’s just ooc info. The first floor of her house does serve as a public library, so it would be the local place to do research on anything. Saini herself is a scholar herself. This could be a place where Belfer bumped into the other arcane casters.
There aren’t any school, it is apprentice based which also is why their aren’t experienced wizards in Ashlar outside of the Black Tower.
Anyone else that might happen to be in the town and a wizard would be a level 1 or 2. I am good with you coming up with someone on your own, but I just wanted to put that out there.
As far as Klaus’ offer to pay for everyone… well let’s just say the good owner of this fine establishment took note of his boast…
@All If I’ve missed anything (like Belfer’s question) please let me know. My intent is not to ignore your questions/request.
@Klaus (and Belfer)
Who might have trained Klaus, the most known would be Saini Alanen. To give you an idea she is a level 4 wizard… but that’s just ooc info. The first floor of her house does serve as a public library, so it would be the local place to do research on anything. Saini herself is a scholar herself. This could be a place where Belfer bumped into the other arcane casters.
This works. Belfer would have found the library soon after his arrival. So far, he's introduced himself to Saini and has made several visits to read anything arcane or alchemy related he can find. In fact, the book on the table is borrowed from there.
@Klaus - Belfer could have crossed paths at the library and/or been introduced to each other through Saini.
Is this the sort of situation where you'd want to have people check in and say they're ready to move onto another scene, or should we organically extricate ourselves from the tavern?
I agree with Deshe. Let's have everyone check in, some have posted less frequently than others and I think checking in here would give us a good idea that all are still around. I am going to make a post now for today.
Well, I'm ready to adventure, as soon as Rasmus has purchased the equipment from the stores and the rain lets up.
Ready to go
Yeah, I also wanted to make some adventure prep shopping purchases. Checking for wands of CLW/Shield of faith that hopefully have around 10-15 charges left.
Will purchase a backpack, 50 ft rope, a grappling hook, and chalk.
Belfer is good to go, although story-wise, he's yet to work himself into the party. I'm ok with hand waving this just to speed things up.
@Shane - any discounts at the start for alchemical items if Belfer has Craft - Alchemy?
Ready to go.
So, I just stated I wanted to buy some items, but I wanted to get clearance from you if that was available, because magical items often aren't just assumed to be available, stating it again so it's more clear.
Are there any available wands of cure light wounds or shield of faith with 10-15 charges left?
Oh man my apologies, I even rolled that based on the skill of those in the temple. They would not have those at the ready, they could get them. They do have potions of CLW or SoF available for purchase.
Deshe'd put in the request but not take any potions at the moment. Going from 15 gp per cast to 50 gp per cast is rough.
Also, in light of that, I'll swap out one of my spells for Shield of Faith going into the next morning.
Belfer is good to go, although story-wise, he's yet to work himself into the party. I'm ok with hand waving this just to speed things up.
@Shane - any discounts at the start for alchemical items if Belfer has Craft - Alchemy?
>>>Ping...
Belfer is good to go, although story-wise, he's yet to work himself into the party. I'm ok with hand waving this just to speed things up.
Maybe Belfer saw Klaus' inebriated state, and whipped him up a potion to help deal with the headsplitting hangover in the morning? I don't know, it's just a suggestion.
He could have joined the guys as they discussed how to get into the vault and the gear they would need. I meant to invite everyone to the table, I just missed Belfer.
@Belfer I am sorry I missed your question. I am okay with people crafting before we started. So anything that you could take 10 on (19 for you) would be an auto success. Anything above that you'd need to roll and just keep in mind that if you fail by 5 or more you lose the cost of materials.
@Deshe I'm mulling over the buying of a wand that is less than max. When creating a wand, it is automatically 50 charges... that is just what it is. For putting in an order for one that is less than that, it would be a "call" snail mail style to see if anyone in their connection has one with less.
I will leave it up to the dice in the same way as I did for seeing if there was one in town, but getting that info would not be right away. You could also always buy scrolls which do cost more, but it would be something they would be able to do.
I think that if everyone snagged a supply bag or a bundle that would be perfect. Just take the whole lot and add it to your list, but also be mindful if you can carry it. I am not a stickler on every last pound but I also don't want our gnome wizard to be running around with a general store on his back.
Sorry for running a little quiet. I was all set to post again last night, but had an unexpected trip to the ER when a family member had a little food trouble. Not life threatening, just uncomfortable. All's well now.
My apologies for the delay.
Sorry to hear that. Hope things go well.
@Klaus - Belfer could have crossed paths at the library and/or been introduced to each other through Saini.
As an apprentice, Klaus would most likely have been in the library frequently. As Klaus is lazy, he almost always has Mage Hand and Unseen Servant prepared, and I could see him nonchalantly assisting Belfer obtain an out-of-reach book from a top shelf when Belfer finds the rolling ladder for that wall already in use. Such ease of convenience and Klaus' absolute willingness to use the spell prodigiously could have made for an easy library comradery between the two such that even on days when almost zero words are exchanged, they still seek out each other's table. I'd also imagine Klaus willingly engaging Belfer in discussions about his slime magic theory as theorizing and other armchair wizarding would be right up Klaus' alley.
@Klaus - Belfer could have crossed paths at the library and/or been introduced to each other through Saini.As an apprentice, Klaus would most likely have been in the library frequently. As Klaus is lazy, he almost always has Mage Hand and Unseen Servant prepared, and I could see him nonchalantly assisting Belfer obtain an out-of-reach book from a top shelf when Belfer finds the rolling ladder for that wall already in use. Such ease of convenience and Klaus' absolute willingness to use the spell prodigiously could have made for an easy library comradery between the two such that even on days when almost zero words are exchanged, they still seek out each other's table. I'd also imagine Klaus willingly engaging Belfer in discussions about his slime magic theory as theorizing and other armchair wizarding would be right up Klaus' alley.
Fair enough. I just wanted to get your agreement before using anything in the game play area.
Sorry to hear that. Hope things go well.
Same. Trips to the ER are always a pain. Hopefully it wasn't food allergy related...
@Belfer I am sorry I missed your question. I am okay with people crafting before we started. So anything that you could take 10 on (19 for you) would be an auto success. Anything above that you'd need to roll and just keep in mind that if you fail by 5 or more you lose the cost of materials.
No worries.
Belfer will go ahead and attempt to make 2 tanglefoot bags:
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Ok, so the first attempt is a fail by more than 5, so Belfer has to pay half the material cost (8.3) in addition to the 33.3 GP for the other two.
What to do with rolls...
Okay, I have two train of thoughts. I can roll them "behind the screen" and give you info... OR you can roll them and then I give you info.
I personally prefer myself rolling things "behind the screen" because then you don't have the thought of crud, I rolled an 8 in your mind with what intel you are given...
That being said I am okay with you all rolling yourselves, but if Belfer (as an example) rolls a perception check and we all see he rolled low I don't want everyone to jump on and roll a perception check too... because with that your character would be investigating what someone in the group already investigated and essentially is saying I don't trust your work, let me double check it...
I know that isn't a straight answer Alistair but it is my thoughts. If I had the point of a blade at me telling me to make a decision I'd go with me rolling behind the screen, but you guys telling me what you'd like rolled. Then we move forward with what info is given.
What to do with rolls...
Okay, I have two train of thoughts. I can roll them "behind the screen" and give you info... OR you can roll them and then I give you info.
I personally prefer myself rolling things "behind the screen" because then you don't have the thought of crud, I rolled an 8 in your mind with what intel you are given...
That being said I am okay with you all rolling yourselves, but if Belfer (as an example) rolls a perception check and we all see he rolled low I don't want everyone to jump on and roll a perception check too... because with that your character would be investigating what someone in the group already investigated and essentially is saying I don't trust your work, let me double check it...
I know that isn't a straight answer Alistair but it is my thoughts. If I had the point of a blade at me telling me to make a decision I'd go with me rolling behind the screen, but you guys telling me what you'd like rolled. Then we move forward with what info is given.
Sounds good to me. Certainly saves us from those "oh, darn..." moments.
I'm fine either way
When I’m running live at the table, I prefer the players “rolling their own fate”. But obviously I can respond in real time, and there are no delays.
With PbP, if the GM is up for it, “secret rolls”(spoilered if you want to prove you’re not fudging) work better to keep up the flow.
I’ll admit once in awhile if I need to slow the pace down due to RL keeping me from the boards, I might ask my players to roll knowing the full set will likely be 24 hours or more out, giving me time to get my shit together and post again. That’s more of a hybrid: a lot of auto-batch roll (Perception/Initiative block rolls) or secret rolls (Knowledge, etc) while occasionally having the players do it themselves as either a pacing tool or just to make them feel more involved with creating their own destiny.
If you’re able to keep up the post flow without overwhelming yourself, secret rolls are fine for me to a point. One of my biggest annoyances with PF2 rules is how often it feels like the GM is really the only mechanical player, and I’m just voicing one of their characters for flavor.
I was thinking it would be better for you to roll for those very reasons. That's also why I wanted multiple people to look the door over, two pairs of eyes is better than one and someone may see something that someone else doesn't.
If there are things to be noticed in general I like having a Perception spoiler but trap checks and such I think are best to leave hidden.
Hey guys I need to be a little late with a post today. I have a student who had to take their mom to the hospital with abdominal pains. She has a ruptured bowel and is going into emergency surgery. I’ll be with him this am. She is a single mom, dad died 6 years ago. I have to be with him. Thanks for understanding.
No problem, take as much time as you need.
No worries.
No explanation required. Real life takes priority; I'm sure the kid is extra stressed out given the loss of one parent already and can benefit from someone being there.
Regarding secret rolls, I'm fine with requesting one and having you do it for me. Are there any other rolls besides Perception that you'd like to remain hidden like that?
What a crazy day. Parents, hug and kiss your kids. Kids, hug and kiss your parents.
All is well, student's mom is going to pull through. I'll have a post up shortly.
No worries. I'm glad to hear things went okay.
Check and see if you are able to move the tokens on the map. If you are not able feel free to PM me your email address and I'll add you as an editor and then you'll be able to edit it.
Okay, I think that I will have you guys do your rolls moving forward. I do apologize on flip-flopping on this. What I will do is that whomever makes the first roll will be the baseline, and everyone else after that will be Aiding Another.
Unless you are trying to hit a DC higher than you can get, and since the random roll is the largest puece of the search, could we just take individual rolls with no aids unless specified?