Once decisions have been made, post those actions in Gameplay and move your tokens accordingly.
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Unfortunately you can’t, I’ve tried the same thing in a previous game (with a different character) and was reminded of this rule:
You can’t move through a square occupied by an opponent unless the opponent is helpless. You can move through a square occupied by a helpless opponent without penalty.
I know your goal is to fail a check here, but Acrobatics won’t even help:
You cannot use Acrobatics to move past foes if your speed is reduced due to carrying a medium or heavy load or wearing medium or heavy armor. If an ability allows you to move at full speed under such conditions, you can use Acrobatics to move past foes.
What you’re wanting is a bull rush, which I think is what Theron was doing.
Iladora is partially correct.
Menudo can't use Acrobatics to try to move through the horse's space, as he's wearing heavy armor and is encumbered with a medium load; both reduce his speed.
Theron can attempt an Acrobatics check because his armor training allows him to wear medium armor without a reduction in speed.
If the goal is for Menudo to provoke, leaving Theron or Iladora free to try to go retrieve the child, there are a number of other actions Menudo could take that provoke an attack of opportunity. He could drink a potion. Cast a spell (a wand works). Attempt any combat maneuver for which he lacks the Improved feat. The list I provided above has other options.
This is not insurmountable; I just need to know the specific strategy so I can adjudicate it.
Or Iladora could attempt her last Handle Animal check; she's been doing well with the Reflex saves, at least.
Note: even if Menudo provokes an AoO, the person trying to move past the horse will still need to make an Acrobatics check that beats the horse's CMD+5. Failure won't provoke if the horse doesn't have Combat Reflexes, but movement would be prevented regardless.
What you’re wanting is a bull rush, which I think is what Theron was doing.
This is the worst possible strategy. A Bull Rush pushes the horse backwards; that would push the horse on top of the child; I'm pretty certain you don't want to do that.
I think Theron is trying to reposition the horse, which should be doable.
Yes, that was my understanding too; Menudo presented an alternate strategy. Since the two actions were in conflict, I brought the conversation here to figure out a cohesive strategy.
On a separate note, are we expecting to complete this scenario by the end of the con? We have...5-ish? weeks left, and I know this one runs long.
I'm not sure. That seems like a long time, but you may be right about the run time. I've played this scenario, but I've never GMed it before. I'd much rather run a good game that is well-understood by everyone than try to rush it to make the deadline, with people missing the plot because it moves by so fast.
In my experience, it's never a problem for single games like this to run over. I'll just report it on time (with boon rolls, etc.) and we'll finish when we finish. If that's an issue for anyone, and you're concerned about having your character available immediately after the Con, let me know and I'll see what I can do to push us through faster.
Reposition isn't a core maneuver, is it?
You are correct; I forget that all combat maneuvers are not CORE. Reposition is off the table.
Note: I am keeping track of the time that it takes to do what both parts of the party are doing. I don't feel it rises to the level of initiative yet. Time spent discussing things off-screen here in Discussion doesn't count; only what gets posted in Gameplay.
Everybody has been really creative with trying to find solutions to this particular challenge, but I'm going to railroad you a bit here. I've been thinking about this all morning--because I hate railroading!--but I think this is the best way to go. The scenario presents Handle Animal as the way to overcome this encounter. There's only one more attempt to make, and the child will not be harmed regardless of how it turns out.
You may overrule me if you like; its your game to play! If so, we can continue to explore options here. But the child is already squeezing with the horse in a way that's only possible because the scenario says that's how it is. I can't find a way to fit another body back there--whether you come in from the front or over a stall wall--so it's going to take some figuring.
In the interests of moving past this encounter, Iladora, please make one last Handle Animal check.
Yeah, finding the balance between player agency and the scenario structure is a struggle sometimes, and it's my fault that I let us get this bogged down. I apologize for that; I should have called this much sooner.
Tummy's feeling pretty grumbly today; I think I ate something bad last night. I'll be on and off the site all day, and this table will be my next post, but gotta go lay down right now. Sorry! Bear with me.
The rules state explicitly that the paladin "needs one free hand to use this ability." I would have to follow that instruction and require that Menudo free up either his sword arm or shield arm to use the ability. If you're trying to use the swift version on yourself, I would hear an argument that--since the shield-arm hand is already facing your own body--you could do that without dropping the shield, but the rules don't specifically call out that exception, so I'm still leaning towards following the rules as written.
Any creature that enters or begins its turn in a burning square must succeed at a DC 19 Reflex save or take 1d6+4 points of fire damage each round.
If fires occupy more than half of the squares in any of these rooms, each creature in that room must attempt a DC 16 Reflex save at the start of its turn each round, taking 2d4 points of bludgeoning damage on a failure, as the room’s structural integrity becomes so compromised that flaming debris falls from the ceiling.
A PC can fight a fire in an adjacent square by beating the fire with a curtain, tapestry, or rug (such as those found throughout the manor) and succeeding at a DC 16 combat maneuver check as a standard action. Using magic to fight the fire (such as by casting create water or enlisting the aid of an unseen servant) grants a +4 bonus on this check. On a success, the PC extinguishes the fire in that square, but the square can still catch on fire in a later round if the fire keeps spreading.
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So much so that a scenario from later in Season 10 gives a boon that grants rerolls to do so! Alas, I don't have that Chronicle on this character.
(PF2 likes it, too, in certain arcs, but at least there they give you more options to fight it. Zim's player once successfully intimidated a section of planar-infused forest fire into cooling down.)
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...cursing her human body....
Iladora’s backstory is that she used to be a demoness who was cast out of the lower planes, and agreed to be turned human in exchange for Sarenrae’s protection from her former boss, Urgathoa. Sort of a witness-protection thing. It’s really fun for me to drop hints now and then that Iladora is more than she seems* even though none of it ever matters to the game.
*Thematically, anyway. Mechanically she’s just a regular human front-line ranger.
@GM What do the exterior walls look like? What are they made of? Does it look like we might be able to batter/rip one down to create a new avenue f escape?
These rules are flat out punishing. I hate how Paizo changes the rules every time you fight fire, and it's often just mathematically tipped way against the players.
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I've checked the rules, and it's a full-round action to attempt to open a lock. I'm assuming Milo would need to spend a move action to pull out his thieves' tools first? Which means he'll need a couple rounds, at minimum, during which we'll need some fire control in this room, too. He'll probably also holler for Iladora and her adamantine greatsword as soon as it's his turn again and we get an update on the status of these people and the room.
I reviewed the scenario, and it does state clearly that interior walls are of stone. The rules on Breaking and Entering give two options for stone of some sort, masonry or hewn stone. As it's unlikely this estate was carved out of an existing stone hill, masonry seems more reasonable; we'll use those stats: hardness 8, 90 hp, Break DC 35.
Oh hey; I forgot about boons!
Everyone can roll a d20; if you roll 19-20, roll a d3 to determine what boon you win, and PM me your email address so that Paizo can deliver the boon to you!
Player Boon #1: Season Explorer 4-5
Player Boon #2: Aeon Investigator
Player Boon #3: Season Explorer 8-9
I totally get that. If the scenario didn't specifically call out the way that spells interact with the flames, I might rule differently, but not only does it call out spells in general, it uses create water as the specific example in the rule.
FYI, the end of Gameday is approaching; I've reported this game. Note: editing the report is just an email away though, so don't get complacent!
We still have a good ways to go, but we're allowed to run over; that's no problem. Let's get through this burning house and on to better things!
That definitely sounds reasonable to me. I'd say a full round action to pull all the corners around the stuff and create a hobo knapsack around everything. It's a good quality comforter, so it'll be thick and bulky, but I wouldn't think it would be too heavy for anyone. It would be a two-handed carry for sure, though; no weapons, shields, etc, or spellcasting with S or M components while carrying it.