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Hm, so for mind, being a humanoid with the goblin subtype would mean it can only be used on goblins? Or any creature that is either a humanoid or a goblin?
I could look into destruction more, of course. It would be a bit of a pity not to be able to use the mind move that deals 1d8 points of ability damage to a mental attribute of choice, as in the master exploder video though. It's the closest thing I could find to blowing minds!
My reading is that Mind affects creatures of your type. It makes no distinction regarding the subtype - which makes sense, as it would otherwise be almost useless outside of a monsterless single-race setting. I'm also basing this off of Favored Enemy - which explicitly mentions subtypes. Mind has no such text, so I think it's more open. There might be something somewhere that I haven't seen though, so feel free to correct me if I'm way off-base. Mind isn't a sphere that interests me, so I've only given it the most cursory of glances-over. XD
Hmm, I had been thinking it was only goblins, but you're right that it says "You may only use charms on targets that possess your own creature type (humanoid for humanoids, etc.)" -- not as bad as I had thought!
There's a pretty cool feat called Mind Wrack that says when you use the Admixture talent, you can attach a Mind charm to it, which would let you do both at once. That's a lot more efficient than doing a Cerebral Strike first turn and Destructive Blast second.
The Black Magic curse permanently confuses a target at 17th level, which is pretty mind-blowing, though it takes a loooong time to get there. :)
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Mind wreck looks very interesting!
Hm. So eventually, with mass charm, mind wreck, and an admixture talent, you could blow people's minds while encasing them in an crystal tomb while putting them on fire... at the same time? :)
Anyway, I'm going to start statting Swaggy's profile. I'm not sure what I have now is optimal, but I think it's good enough and it has the spells I'd like to make the raps for. I'll see how it performs and adjust from there.
Sounds good to me!
K, got the base stats down. I'm not sure how to best put all his sphere powers in the profile, i'll guess I'll make a seperate spoiler for each sphere. I'll do it tomorrow though because I need to sleep first :) Gn all!
Snookums is also statted up in a spoiler on Batry's page. She has the Martial Beast archetype and as I got her into the Brute Sphere.
I grabbed a feat for her that's not on the homebrew page but I figured that is because it's an animal companion feat and as such it's probably not a very high priority to homebrew.
It's the Hefty Brute feat, meaning she is treated as one size larger for CMB, CMD, carrying capacity and any special attacks with varied effect based on size that are either used by her or against her. If this is an issue I'll swap it out for something else (probably by Powerful Maneuvers, which I now have set for the next feat)
I do have a question though: How would animal companions work with Automatic Bonus Progression? Normally an AC (or any other companion for that matter) would get some stat boosting items but those are gone, as are enhancement versions of the Amulet of Might Fists.
While we're waiting for Swaggy, I thought I'd ask: how do you feel about Oaths? I could see 'Wamba making several vows to whatever spiritual entity it is that she touches when she achieves oneness through drunkenness. For example, an Oath against Mercy, or an Oath of Ignorance. (I'm probably going to play them anyway, as that seems like very goblin behavior to me.) XD
@Cuan: Yeah, animal companions in general are the main thing I still need to put up on the website. Feel free to take any of the normal options in that regard. My eventual goal is to rebalance and simplify the companions a bit, but that's a project for another day. XD Regarding Automatic Bonus Progression, there's no official ruling. After looking up a few options, I'm going to go with this: animal companions use their HD-2 to calculate their bonus progression. However, you can elect to swap portions of said progression with your own if I desire. For example, Level 3 gives you +1 to all saves. When you hit Level 5, your companion would also get +1 to all saves. If you wanted, you could give your companion the saving throw bonus at Level 3 and delay your own bonus until Level 5.
@eriktd: Not for this game. There's so much going on already, that I don't want to introduce any more mechanics than I need to.
@eriktd: Not for this game. There's so much going on already, that I don't want to introduce any more mechanics than I need to.
Understandable. :)
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Swaggy now has most of his powers and statistics on his profile. Only have to complete the skills and background i think and then hes good to go. If anything looks off about the powers, please inform me. I expect there to be mistakes somewhere.
One question i had about casting trafitions, if you use the somatic drawback x 2 then wearing armor or shields incurs an arcane failure chance. How does this interact with the bard bonus of being able to cast in light armor and shields without arcane spellfailire?
Secondly, how does the rally power of the war sphere work? It allows use of aid another as a reaction before the target 'action is completed'. So... if i use it on an attack roll, how does that work? Do i see the base roll first or does swaggy have to blindly select an attack before the d20 roll is made?
Generally speaking, the "can cast in armor without spellfailure" abilities get removed in the Spheres archetypes. That's because of how casting traditions work. So, if you take somatic x2 with any spherecasting class, you can't use armor. This also means, by the way, that a Sphere Wizard without that drawback can cast spells in full plate if they so desire. XD
For PbPs, all of the reaction-based abilities typically get listed as contingent actions at the end of relevant posts. For example:
Swaggy starts another of his awesome raps "blah blah blah"
*relevant roll*
Swaggy now has most of his powers and statistics on his profile. Only have to complete the skills and background i think and then hes good to go. If anything looks off about the powers, please inform me. I expect there to be mistakes somewhere.
Awesome! I'll take a look.
One question i had about casting trafitions, if you use the somatic drawback x 2 then wearing armor or shields incurs an arcane failure chance. How does this interact with the bard bonus of being able to cast in light armor and shields without arcane spellfailire?
If you take the Somatic Casting drawback only once, you can cast in light armor without risking spell failure. That's basically the bard style of spellcasting. But if you take it twice, you can't wear any armor at all or you have to roll for it.
Looks like you have Unarmored Training, though, so it's not an issue. You will eventually have better AC than if you were wearing a chain shirt.
Secondly, how does the rally power of the war sphere work? It allows use of aid another as a reaction before the target 'action is completed'. So... if i use it on an attack roll, how does that work? Do i see the base roll first or does swaggy have to blindly select an attack before the d20 roll is made?
Rally is an immediate action, so you can interrupt other actions. I think it's working as intended if you see that someone is going to fail their attack or going to get hit and you aid them in response. Happy to go along with whatever My Benevolent Dictator rules, of course. :)
All your spheres stuff looks good to me, Trevor!
I guess you still need to specify which two auras you're taking from the Hedgewitch Astrology path (I feel like you said somewhere you were taking Moon and Sun?), also, your uses of the Curse power from Black Magic, also bardic performance rounds. Maybe you were planning to put all those in your statline?
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Ah, right. I'll copy in the aura's and the curses too. Have them in the document but forgot to put them in somehow.
Cool, seems the rally power could be pretty useful then, being able to specifically target low d20 rolls by allies? That was the part I was unsure of, If I had to declare using it before or after I would know how high the d20 roll was I'd intend to use it on.
Righto. Well, that's fine. I intended giving him a 'microphone', a buckler and wearing no armor. A 5% magic failure chance might be acceptable until a mythril buckler is found somewhere. Alternatively, I could take arcane armor training instead of shield focus from the equipment spheres to get the arcane failure chance back down to 0. I'll probably just go with arcane armor training, now that I think about it. The choice would represent his training, and he wouldn't know what a mythril buckler does or even where to get one. (I have to pick something with the second equipment sphere, none of them seem particularly useful for a caster other than the unarmored defense training one and one of the aforementioned two which allow use of a buckler or make him better a using a shield).
How about the Gauntlet Shield talent? That would let you wear a sequinned spiky glove and treat it as a buckler, but since it isn't a buckler you wouldn't suffer the spell failure risk. :)
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Good idea, but in my interpretation, that would still count as a weapon. So if I ever wanted to enchant it, i'd have to pay double and be locked to weapon enchants, which are useless to me as a blackened-curse caster/rapper. I guess that's slight metagaming, but personally I'd just use a shield over a gauntlet for defensive purposes.
And I don't think it's that weird that he'd want a shield to protect himself from other goblins who may or may not constatly tell him to shut up :)
Yes, gauntlets count as weapons - even if you can make them count as an AC item. The reason the blackened curse gives a hefty attack penalty is because your hands are severely burned. Encasing them in close-fitting metal would almost-certainly cause excruciating pain. XD
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K, added the skills and class features to Swaggy. That technically makes his profile complete, I think, except for the background. I'll think of the exact thrilling tale of how he became a rapper sometime tomorrow and finish so we can start :)
Last build choices: with the war sphere providing a good use for aid another (essentially once per round, giving a low attack roll a chance to succeed), I was wondering if it would be worth investing a trait into helpful or an equivalent to get that from +2 to +3. It's a combat trait, so it would take the place of reactionary (which flavorwise somewhat makes sense in this case since he's A: far too pretty for most goblins and B: far too loud, and he'd have gotten picked on before finding his voice). Do you think that would be worth it?
Speaking purely mechanically, Reactionary is probably better than Helpful, in my opinion. An extra +2 on all of your initiative rolls will boost you every single combat. An extra +1 each time you aid another is good, but it's pretty limited by comparison.
I think you've got the right idea by asking what fits the character more, though. If you imagine him being bullied in his youth, then you should definitely go with Reactionary. It rounds out the character a bit more, I think.
That said, if you really want to improve your Rally, keep in mind the Warleader: Masterful Coordination talent. It's excellent, it scales with your Influence ranks, and it doesn't stack with Helpful.
@Swaggy: Close, but not quite regarding skill ranks. Your Muse grants you a free rank in Perform:sing each level. As for the associated skills, they function like PF Bard's versatile performance ability. At 3rd level, you can use Perform:sing instead of Influence/Sense Motive. So, factoring in Warleader, you essentially have 8 skill ranks per level (plus Perception): six free, 1 Perform:sing, 1 Influence. At Level 3, you'll have the option of retraining your Influence/Sense Motive ranks if desired.
Everything else looks okay.
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Ah, right. Should have checked that again, was too focused on the spheres. Edited it.
Also added the background. Not the most serious backstory but then again it's not the most serious character concept :P
I think that If the spheres are done and the background acceptable, that Swaggy is complete and that we could begin?
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Very nice backstory. I approve. XD
EDIT: Gameplay is live!
Unfortunately I do have to go to sleep now since it's 01:30 locally, but I'll start posting in the gameplay thread in the morning. GN all!
I figured I'd play up the fact Batry is probably the brainiest goblin in the tribe. As such he finds most other goblins to be idiots, especially the chief.
He also has other, in his mind more enlightened, interpretations of the goblin superstitions.
As I mentioned before he pities dogs, considering them wolves that have become misshapen runts due to the corrupting influence of the longshanks.
As clear in my post he also is convinced that it's the act of writing that's foul, not the written word. After all it stands to reason that if writing captures your soul that means that that soul is stuck in the pages, so if you read it you can take some of the power of that soul and make it your own. That way you can make the written word work for you.
That said, he is also beginning to doubt the whole soul stealing thing as he knows longshanks write all the time and don't seem to suffer from it.
So he's now in the weird situation that he both considers himself to be above the tribe in many ways and still he needs them as he knows that on his own he won't last long.
That and he just loves his tribe.
Except the chief.
He's a plork.
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On my end, I figured Swaggy would be too self-absorbed to pay much attention to yet another 'important' announcement from the chief. There may or may not be a lot of confusion during the actual attack in group 2, I suppose :)
Oh, and please let me know if Swaggy's songs ever detract from the experience. I figured the best way to start was with a Goblin version of a more or less legendary song from the real world, but I understand it may not be for everyone.
By the way, did we talk about previous character relations between our characters yet? I know we have a passing knowledge of eachother, at least, but is there anything more? Are either of us friends?
I thought it might be funny if Swaggy had some secret crush on Chamba, to give one idea. I figured that for goblins, perhaps those with low charisma might be considered the prettiest whereas those with high charisma are ugly by goblin standards but pretty to the longshank outside world. It would kind of fit her description from her profile?
I'd like it if we all at least knew of each other, if we weren't specifically friends. It will make whatever Our Benevolent Dictator has in mind work better to bring us together, I imagine.
Fine with me if Swaggy has a crush. I'm happy to play along.
Sorry about the delay. My internet's been down all day, and phone posting doesn't work well for me. Hopefully Comcast gets their stuff together soon.
@YBD Ah, np. It happens. Personally I have to sleep now anyway :) I Was afraid the song had scared you off or something :P
@Chamba all right! I'll think of what to do tomorrow morning. Swaggy will probably ask Chamba to join group 2 or let him join group 4 prior to the attack, in that case. Can't let his crush go on a dangerous mission on her own...
...even if there should be like 49 other gobs nearby too.
@Cuan/Barty, any ideas for a previous relationship between Swaggy and Barty?
No worries; I don't scare easily. XD Keep those phat rhymes coming!
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And we're back. Let the chaos begin!
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When it comes to Swaggy and Batry I think they'd make a fun, if somewhat unlikely duo. To begin they could bond over their mutual lack of hate towards dogs.
I could also see Batry correcting Swaggy's lyrics on supposed spelling or grammatical errors or complimenting him when he made a particularly clever play on words.
I could also see a potential point of conflict in Swaggy and his cronies trying to 'borrow' Wartface to lick the toad's back for the mildly hallucinogenic toxins.
As for his relation with Wamba, I could see Batry appreciate her for being among the smarter part of the tribe and even see her as a potential mate. It's a more an academic approach than a crush though and he is watching her and a handful of other female goblins to see who proves herself worthy of him (Yes he's arrogant and he has an inflated ego). He would have tried to have conversations with her to gauge her intellect.
I could also see Wamba be fond of Snookums, the giant lumbering beast that does whatever she wants with minimal regard for the wishes of others (except maybe Batry).
But that's all just the possibilities I see.
As much as I would love to start an epic rap battle, it's not really in character for Father Zantus. XD
That's fine. I liked the narration :) I'm somewhat saddened to see my better disses go without effect compared to the second batch but that's just the whims of the celestial crowd watching from the heavens, I suppose!
Statline added.
I wonder if Swaggy will ever learn that Snookums is a herbivore.
A pity that Knowledge (nature) isn't a Charisma-based stat. ;)
Wait, he is? Then why does he keep eating my meat stews? ;)
I'm not even sure if Snookums is a he or she. Swaggy might nog be brave or adventurous enough to check.
Do people like the lyrics btw?
I think the lyrics are fun. A great deal of the charm of goblins is their rhyming songs, which makes their crazed brutality seem somehow cute. :)
Wait, he is? Then why does he keep eating my meat stews? ;)
I'm not even sure if Snookums is a he or she. Swaggy might nog be brave or adventurous enough to check.
Do people like the lyrics btw?
She is a she indeed and she's a brontotherium, which is an extinct relative of the horse (an artistic reconstruction).
And the lyrics are fun.
As for the crazed brutality, as far as I know Goblins are all over the place when it comes to how aggressive they are. Supposedly the city/sewer dwelling tribes are fairly calm, at least by Goblin standards.
I also think we're doing a pretty decent job teaching the adventurers we aren't your ordinary Goblins.
As for the crazed brutality, as far as I know Goblins are all over the place when it comes to how aggressive they are. Supposedly the city/sewer dwelling tribes are fairly calm, at least by Goblin standards.
I also think we're doing a pretty decent job teaching the adventurers we aren't your ordinary Goblins.
Huh, that looks like a quite interesting animal!
Yeah, I think these guys might have murdered their last hobo. Depends on their level I guess, but Chamba's attack reads like a Fatality straight from Mortal Kombat. Part of me is a bit saddened in that I might never know who all these Sandpoint NPC's actually were and what their role in the story would have been, but eh. This seems more fun. And we have the mighty Chief Gutwad to replace them, right? :)
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Best description I've seen for Paizo Goblins is "Minions on bath salts."
Love it! Banana! Po-ta-to! Burn! Burn! Burn!
@Swaggy: Sandpoint's arguably THE iconic Golarion town. Most of the NPCs don't really play much of a role in the overall plot of RotRL. I'm sure you'll run into all the important ones at some point, though. They tend to have class levels, so they probably won't go down as easily. XD As for everyone else, it makes for a good incentive to play a more traditional RotRL campaign in the future. XD
Man, I keep thinking how much it would suck to be the iconics in this fight. Could you imagine, you've built this cool backstory together, come together for your first session here in Sandpoint, done all the introductory roleplaying, and then suddenly goblins attack and kill the fighter before he even gets to act?
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Man, I keep thinking how much it would suck to be the iconics in this fight. Could you imagine, you've built this cool backstory together, come together for your first session here in Sandpoint, done all the introductory roleplaying, and then suddenly goblins attack and kill the fighter before he even gets to act?
Adventuring is a dangerous business! Possible side effects contain nausea, bleeding, puncture wounds, blunt force trauma and being scorched alive. 'venturing is not for everyone, consult your doctor before use!
This actually reminds me of a really old level 1-5 PFS adventure that was revoked because it contained a 14 str Gnome Barbarian. The guy had a 1d12x3 weapon and would routinely one shot freshly made adventurers.
Please tell me the barbarian's name was Ann. "Gnome Ann can kill me!" "I move for Gnome Ann!" "To boldly go where Gnome Ann has gone before!"
Please tell me the barbarian's name was Ann. "Gnome Ann can kill me!" "I move for Gnome Ann!" "To boldly go where Gnome Ann has gone before!"Is that a reference to Gnomeregan from world of warcraft?
Just say "Gnome Ann" out loud. It sounds like something else.