Welcome all to Pathfinder Second Edition's 8th Quest: Shadow's of the Black Sovereign.
Hereunder is what I will need from all of you.
Player Name:
A.K.A.:
Class & Level:
Organized Play & Character Numbers:
Faction:
Slow Track:
Buying / Selling:
Conditions & Others:
Downtime:
Have fun, and roll high!
I put the link to the Shadows of the Black Sovereign slides up on the top left of these pages (along with the link to the PFS Guide).
You can putt your mini & info' (name & default init'/exploration mode ; perception ; stealth...) on slide 2.
And introduce yourself in the discussion.
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I joined a different quest with my level 5 but have no issues playing pregen/iconics and applying it to a level 1.
Player Name: Edward McGee
Class & Level: Whatever the table needs.
Organized Play & Character Numbers: # 145373-2003
Faction: Vigilant Seal
Slow Track: No.
Buying / Selling: no.
Conditions & Others: Hopefully no.
Downtime: Can iconics earn income?
Here are the options with level 3 and 5 versions. I didn't see any classes with a level 3 but not level 5 version.
Amiri the Barbarian
Ezran the Wizard
Fumbus the Alchemist
Kyra the Cleric
Merisiel the Rogue
Valaros the Fighter
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Player Name: Zachary Seldon
A.K.A.: Anri Darkspur
Class & Level: Wizard (Transmuter) / Fighter 3
Organized Play & Character Numbers: #2366390-2004
Faction: Vigilant Seal
Slow Track: Nope
Buying / Selling: Nope
Conditions & Others: Nope
Downtime: Academia Lore > > 2 silver x 2 days = 0.40 gold
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School Network > Scrolls of Burning Hands and Dispel Magic
Faction Boon > Vigilant Seal Champion (free)
Generic Boons > Resist Corruption (#VS-T1), Sand Slide (#1-Q1), Valais's Assurance (#1-12)
Advanced Boon > Devil's Keep (#1-11)
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Player Name: Sasha
A.K.A.: Leo
Class & Level: Wizard (Universalist) [Champion] 6
Organized Play & Character Numbers: #78886-2002
Faction: Grand Archive
Slow Track: Nope
Buying / Selling: Nope
Conditions & Others: Nope
Downtime: Craft > Assurance = 24 > 1g x 2 days = 2 gold
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School Network > Scrolls of Fireball and lvl 2 Heal
Faction Boon > Improved Archive Champion
Mentor Boon > Magical Mentor
Service Boon > Meticulous Appraisal
Heroic Boon > Heroic Recall
*Crosses Ezren off the list of pregen options.*
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Player Name: Mike O'Donnell
A.K.A.: Tanithil Faevrye
Class & Level: Rogue(thief) Level 3
Organized Play & Character Numbers: 99317-2003
Faction: What faction are you slotting?Grand Archive
Slow Track: no
Buying / Selling: no
Conditions & Others: no
Downtime: Experienced Smuggler
School Network > potency crystal on rapier and minor healing potion
Faction Boon > Grand Archive Champion
Promotional Boon > Vestments
Team Player
Fane's Friend
Traveler of the Spirit Road
Maybe Ezren could copy some spells into his book!
levels 3/or/5 + 3 + 6 + 3
cps 2/or/4 + 2 + 6 + 2 = 12 or 14
One more has signed up and has been messaged, so we should be five for this quest.
I will go for the Curious Claim just after since three of the ones here have put that on the list.
And will offer the Dragon after that and see if enough new players are interested for it.
Though, Silbeg & Grimsnik, in case you wished to play that with a different character, GM Deneve is recruiting for it now.
No problem at all for you waiting with me, just saying this in the off case you had not spotted that. But I am quite sure we will find at least a 3rd, and I will be running it.
Bigguyinblack can choose which iconic and what level once our fifth player most probably signs up.
Right now:
levels 3/or/5 + 3 + 6 + 3
cps 2/or/4 + 2 + 6 + 2 = 12 or 14
And:
Two Wizards gone martial, and a thief...
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Player Name: Jack Brown
A.K.A.: Thulgrun Ironfist
Class & Level: Monk 3
Organized Play & Character Numbers: 788-2001
Faction: Grand Archive
Slow Track: no
Buying / Selling: Not much to buy!
Conditions & Others: n/a
Downtime: Earn Income:
For his training items, he will take: lesser healing potion, lesser antidote
May consider getting a boon or two...
Hello and welcome SIlbeg.
So:
levels 3/or/5 + 3 + 6 + 3 +3
cps 2/or/4 + 2 + 6 + 2 = 15 or 17
And:
Two Wizards gone martial, a thief and a monk.
Whatever level of pregen you choose, Bigguyinblack, we will be in low tier.
Since parties with challenge points of 15 or less always play in the lower subtier, and parties with 16-18 play w. 5 or more PCs play in the low tier.
Then, the difference between 15 & 17 is simply:
14–15 5-player adjustment AND 1 level bump
16-18 6-player adjustment AND 1 level bump
So, whatever level you choose there will be a level bump to the story.
And if things are determined by the CP it will be 15 or 17.
And if things are determined by player adjustment, it will be 5 or 6.
So not that big a difference it would seem.
No level bumps for the players, since you are in lower tier in all cases.
So you can choose your class and level for the pregen.
What does the table want? I'm thinking either Cleric or Fighter. And does the table want a 3 or 5?
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I will never say no to having Kyra at a table... we're looking pretty good at martial, and with a 6th level wizard I assume pretty strong there too.
Thulgrun can play medic, and can fix a shield, but that's no replacement for a good healer.
Funny thing is that while he can get the AC from the shield, without having shield block he doesn't have to worry about repairing HIS shield.
Kyra 5 it is. I'll probably alter the spell loadout.
I'm good with the 6 player adjustment with level bump- especially for Anri with Leo's Magical Mentor boon.
Sorry, but, as I said that is a level bump to the story-- to the opposition, the enemy, the obstacles.
And:
No level bumps for the players, since you are in lower tier in all cases.
Of course, choosing to name 2 different things with the same name was rather-- silly.
Could've gone w. player boost vs. level bump etc.Players get a bump only if you play higher tier (and the PC is lowest level possible for the game).
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levels 5 + 3 + 6 + 3 +3
cps 4 + 2 + 6 + 2 = 17
And:
Two Wizards gone martial, a thief, a monk and Kyra!
Parties with 16-18 play w. 5 or more PCs play in the low tier.
16-18 (so: 17) 6-player adjustment AND 1 level bump
(the 6 player adjustment is only if it mentions that, otherwise things are determined by the CP)
So, you all start w. 1 Hero Point.
If any of you have Glyphs, you can offer the extra Points.
Since you will have been in the Lodge for one week, Kyra can of course change all she wishes with the spells.
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I have 1 glyph, and I'd like to have my extra hero point go to Tanithil. If he does what a rogue should, he'll need it.
I am also going to slot my campaign coin, so receive another hero point (that I can allow someone else to use).
If this is, indeed, part of Outpost III, then I will be slotting my advanced boon from 1-13:
If played as part of an adventure, I begin the adventure with +1 hero point
All told, I will have 3 Hero Points to start. :D
Yes, I asked the powers that be (Tyranius is quite a power!) re. another scenario I started later than the start date (after the players had fun in a Quest I offered to run the follow-up scenario) and got official confirmation that so long as we finish before May whatever it is (16 or 18 I think) it will be reported as part of Outpost (even if not announced before etc.).
I imagine I will run at least the next Quest as part of Outpost, and see about the 3rd and when it finishes.
Also, re. the week-- if you have a Downtime activity that you can work on with your own stuff (like Crafting alchemy if you purchased your own lab) tell me, to see if part of the week can help you.
As Ironfist walks around, Hero Points fall out of his pockets...
So, Tanithil, you start w. 2 Hero Points.
And I imagine we are good to go...
...good to go in just a little bit, since we will happily be welcoming our 6th player at the now full table.
I will amend the CPs etc. in a bit and we will see how it changes the game!
Qwerty, I will still slowly start the game, but no real rush in joining, take your time to read up and see what you want to play or whatever.
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Player Name: Qwerty1971
A.K.A.: Wyndalarian
Class & Level: Wizard (Evoker) 1
Organized Play & Character Numbers: 114768-2003
Faction: Grand Archive
Slow Track: No?
Buying / Selling: No
Conditions & Others: No clue
Downtime: I dont think he does, just en elf scholar unless Lore is a dayjob skill.
This is a 2 day Downtime adventure (3 for Field Commissioned agents) and go ahead and tell me how much you earn if you have the sheets handy.
Have fun, and roll high!
Thank you for having me. Am learning as we go.
Hello and welcome!
We are exchanging PMs, Qwerty1971 and I, re. the fact he did not see that Quests can be level 3-6... in PF2.
No rush for us to see if you prefer to wait to level your own character up (it does not impact our game) ; or to have you with us if you want to play a pregen and do the Quests now.
So, first of all, Qwerty 1971 is going to go with Valerios level 5.
(I will recalculate below).
Also, Qwerty said that any tips on playing, building 2e throughout the game would be appreciated. this will be my first 2e game, and my first PFS game in 3 years.
If you can help me help Qwerty it would be cool.
Number crunching.
levels 5 + 3 + 6 + 3 + 3 + 5
cps 4 + 2 + 6 + 2 +2 + 4 = 20
So, now Parties with 19 or more always play in the high sub tier.
Thus we are playing in tier 5-6.
Thus our three level 3 PCs gain a temporary boost.
Also, our level 6 can slot his Mentor Boon (Magical Mentor I gather).
And, does anyone know about what Boons Pre-Gens can slot (I have an idea, but do not have the time to check on that right now - will do later)?
So, the three level 3 PCs will benefit from what is with the spoiler you can click on.
When a PC of the lowest legal level for an adventure plays in the high subtier, they also gain a level bump for the duration of the adventure, but instead applied to their character’s stats.
Increase every DC the PC has by 1.
Increase the attack modifiers, attack damage, spell damage, saving throw modifiers, skill modifiers, Perception modifiers, and AC of the PC by 1.
Increase the Hit Point totals of the PC by 10 or by 10%, whichever is higher.
These adjustments are less beneficial than gaining a level, yet they provide the PC more survivability and opportunity to contribute to the adventure experience, reducing the degree to which higher-level PCs might overshadow these less experienced Pathfinders.
The relevant info is on slide 5.
I will add the info from the Mentor Boon(s) after.
The Slides can be accessed via the link on the top left of these pages.
And w. 20 CPs the adjustment (if there is no specific adjustment called for in the scenario) will be as if you were 5 players (the scenarios being made for 4 PCs).
Is all this clear?
Though, for Valerios you do not need to follow any of this, it is just inner stuff to get the scenario to be tailored for your party's strength, and thus be challenging but not wipe you out.
Sorry for the delay...
Magic Weapon is one of if not the best level 1 spell. You cast on someone's weapon which increases their chance to hit and possibly critical hit but you also add a die to damage.
Look at it like this. Say a fight goes on for 4 rounds and the weapon you targeted has a weapon die of 1d8. If that weapon hits twice your spell did 2d8 damage with no save.
And odds are very good that you will get even better results. It becomes much less useful at level 4 when players who use weapons can buy the Striking rune but until then I suggest always having one memorized.
Color Spray is maybe not as good as you hope due to having the Incapacitation trait.
3 of the best damage dealing cantrips in the game are
Electric Arc: Scales well and can hit 2 targets at once.
Telekinetic Projectile: With potentially 3 different damage types it can hit a vulnerability fairly often. Note a dagger covers 2 of those damage types and rocks can be found nearly anywhere. Damage scales really well.
Ray of Frost: The damage scales the same as Electric Arc but the main advantage is the massive range.
And since you are level 1 you could change your character however you want.
Welcome, Valerios.
Init' is now mainly Perception.
But you can use other skills.
It depends on Exploration Modes which is what you choose to do by default when moving around between Initiative moments.
In general people mostly use Perception, with Stealth chosen now and then (in which case you roll Stealth for Init').
In conversation moments you can use social skills for Init' etc..
Have you checked the CRB out a bit, or Archives of Nethys?
I will post links when I have time.
Quick note re. Magic Weapon: it often is useless earlier in my experience, since you cannot cast it on Magic weapons, thus somewhere at level 2 most martials have the +1 already...
@Valerios: are you okay and sure that you got all from your iconic sheet copied etc.? (no need to review your info'?)
CRB is Core Rule Book. I thought the Magic Weapon spell just added the extra die to a +1 weapon which is still worthwhile but you are right, It can't target a magic weapon. I think we have been doing exactly that locally.
It is still really good at level 1.
I have no objections to playing level 3 Kyra. Though last I checked the info for the level 3 version is wrong.
The level 3 info for Kyra was showing the level 1 info.
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I also have noticed that the quest my bard 5 signed up to play has exactly 1 other player who is also a bard.
We would lose much of the healing but I could switch him to here and play a pregen there.
@Qwerty With 2 people bringing level 5 pregenerated characters we have increased the difficulty of the encounters to the point that it would challenge characters of level 5 - 6. But half the table are playing level 3 characters.
There are boons that players can get from their faction to help lower level characters but since we are playing pregenerated characters we can't slot those boons to help them in that way.
Me switching to Kyra level 3 is probably the best solution.
Just play what you want to play. Kyra level 5 is fine.
Going to pop in and say that those "playing up" with pre-gens do so without a corresponding kick-down of Mentor Boons to lower-level PCs who actually have "skin in the game".
You are saying that pre-gens of level 5 cannot slot a Mentor Boon to help the level 3's, right?
As I said, I do not yet have time to go double check what Boons a pre-gen can slot which is why I asked re. that.Does everyone get the mentoring bonuses?
As I wrote, the level 3 PCs get the level boost (the info' is on slide 5 also):
Increase every DC the PC has by 1.
Increase the attack modifiers, attack damage, spell damage, saving throw modifiers, skill modifiers, Perception modifiers, and AC of the PC by 1.
Increase the Hit Point totals of the PC by 10 or by 10%, whichever is higher.
That is not a Mentoring bonus.
I imagine there will only be 1 Mentor Boon in play, and it adds to the level boost mentioned above
Anyone with the level bump (all level 3 characters) can take such Mentor boosts.
One PC can only benefit from 2 such Boons.
But if there are, say, 4 such Boons, different people can choose any 2 of those Boons (each chooses the 2 they want).
That is in theory, I imagine it will be Magical Mentor only in this game.
I will wait for that Boon to be slotted (and others? Unless I am mistaken, one character can slot several Mentor Boons if you pump Rep' w. 2 Factions etc.) and have it explained what it does if it shows up.
So, right now, all three level 3 PCs get that Level Bump (the +1 to most all and +10 HP - since I imagine no one is at 110 HP, and would thus get +11?).
Tanithil has a powerful mind!
+89 Will Save... not the best one can have, but pretty strong xD
So, all okay going in Higher Tier w. the level bump?
Keeping Valerios and Kyra @level 5?
More danger, more glory!
FOR THE HORDE SOCIETY!
If I'm understanding correctly, Me playing level 3 would reduce the encounters to the 3 - 4 range. We would lose the level boost but +1 to a bunch of things won't compensate enough for the much tougher encounters.
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1) Envoy's Alliance
2) Grand Archive
3) Horizon Hunters
4) Radiant Oath
5) Verdant Wheel
6) Vigilant Seal
1) Skillful Mentor (granting +2 bonus to skills)
2) Magical Mentor (granting +2 bonus to spells DCs and bonus spell slot)
3) Rugged Mentor (granting +2 bonus to saving throws)
4) Radiant Oath (granting +3/tier bonus to hit points)
5) Wordly Mentor (granting +2 bonus to initiative and perception)
6) Combat Mentor (granting +2 bonus to skills)
*A player can benefit from up to two Mentor Boons at a time*
**These bonuses replace the free "Level Bump" bonuses (of +1) with greater numbers**
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The level 3 info for Kyra was showing the level 1 info.
linkI also have noticed that the quest my bard 5 signed up to play has exactly 1 other player who is also a bard.
We would lose much of the healing but I could switch him to here and play a pregen there.
Ah, you mean a link that someone in the community has put up.
You know, you could just download the pregens and do it yourself :P
or...
I'm just waiting on permission to switch.
You do not need permission.
As I said, play what you want.
Don't change your Bard between games just because you think it might be better.
Do so if you want to play the Bard here, that's all.
And if you want to play Kyra, play her at whatever level you want.
I do not believe that what Anri Darkspur said is totally accurate anyhow.
I do not see adventures as played in two modes of difficulty.
PF2 adventures are adapted through a whole bunch of factors (the tier, the level bump to the adventure, the modification re. the CPs / how many players etc.).
Sometimes you can try to meta game via all these calculations what you believe will be easier or harder.
But is a lower tier Boss w. a level bump + a CP bump easier vs. a lower level group, than the basic higher tier boss w. no bumps vs. a higher level group that benefit from their own level bump?
And, as they said, that only reflects what they think.
I have nothing at all against that opinion, and it is a valid one, but it is nothing more than their opinion.
People are, of course, not even obliged to ever purchase a Mentor Boon, let alone slot it if they have it.
Everyone manages their Boons as they wish.
You can even choose to never purchase any Boons at all to keep your Fame for a rez' etc.. There are plenty ways of playing.
Just play what character you want to play, at whatever level, and the adventure will be adapted re. whatever people play.
Kyra level 3 it is. I used Thulgrun Ironfist's info for her. Thanks!