TCG - one other option to consider is that I'm open to a trade out of your Nature Bond for some 'monk flavored stuff'. So you wouldn't get a domain or animal companion, but you could load up on some monk flavored stuff instead and stay straight druid?
That would be cool. What did you have in mind?
TCG - what do you think would be a reasonable trade?
I'm slammed with work at the moment, so would be easier for me to review something already done than come up with it myself :P
TCG - what do you think would be a reasonable trade?
I'm slammed with work at the moment, so would be easier for me to review something already done than come up with it myself :P
My most favorite things about monks are the unarmed strike progression(including the "now it counts as magic/adamantite/etc") , speed, and Wisdom to AC bonus. Those things would stack really well with Druid.
I'd also be nice if when wild shaped i could choose to use my unarmed dice damage if it's higher than the natural attack of my form. It makes sense since the unarmed strike damage is a function of training.
Thats just off the top of my head. I would be willing to swap several features like that. I'm getting ready for work now. I'll post something more concrete later.
Holy crap. You'd officially be awesome if you took the Catch Off Guard feat just to accomplish this!
How about:
'Needs a Better Name' Domain:
'Ability the First': gain Unarmed Strike progression as per monk
'Ability the Second': gain 10ft enhancement bonuses to speed at 4th, 7th, 10th, 13th, 16th, 19th (basically as per monk but 1 level slower)
'Ability the Third': @4th level, unarmed strikes or natural attacks (when wildshaped) count as magic. @16th count as adamantine.
'Ability the Fourth': @6th level, can add Wis to AC - but only when not wearing armor
'Ability the Fifth': @12th level, can use unarmed damage instead of natural weapon damage
Note: No domain spells are supplied and this domain does not provide any additional spell slots.
Just a brain dead splat to start the discussion.
I have a thought....
When I saw what all Voice was willing to push into a Domain, I was floored. I mean, that's a VERY profitable exchange for TCG. Which got me to thinking about what it seems he's really after.
It seems to me that you're actually more looking for a monk platform with the ability to wild shape.
Might we instead go on a little bit of an archetype-buiding excursion to see if we can come up with something that works better?
It seems to me that if you took the monk, swapped out ki for some spells (or went the Quiggong route and switched out current ki use for spell-like abilities that were fueled by ki) then swapped out flurry and a few of the monk iconic abilities (slow fall, the spell resistance one and the dimension door one come to mind immediately) for some progression of Wildshape, we're looking at a winner.
You keep the things he likes about the monk and supplements them with the specific abilities of the druid. As long as we find a build that we agree is balanced, i suggest we'd find a winner.
Thoughts?
Well it has to be a fair bit to add up to the loss of either an animal companion, or the extra spell slot per level that would usually come from the domain.
It's alot, but by the same token, not so much. The only real concrete stuff in there is Wis to AC and the damage swap. The other stuff is nice to have as a built in benefit - but would be easily doable with spells as an alternative (Magic Fang, Longstrider, etc).
Shrugs - too tired to really think straight now anyhow, so with have a second opinion with an un-jaundiced eye come daybreak.
Lol. no problem. It's obviously up to you guys. Just trying to give some possible unthought-of options.
How about:
'Needs a Better Name' Domain:
'Ability the First': gain Unarmed Strike progression as per monk
'Ability the Second': gain 10ft enhancement bonuses to speed at 4th, 7th, 10th, 13th, 16th, 19th (basically as per monk but 1 level slower)
'Ability the Third': @4th level, unarmed strikes or natural attacks (when wildshaped) count as magic. @16th count as adamantine.
'Ability the Fourth': @6th level, can add Wis to AC - but only when not wearing armor
'Ability the Fifth': @12th level, can use unarmed damage instead of natural weapon damage
Note: No domain spells are supplied and this domain does not provide any additional spell slots.
Just a brain dead splat to start the discussion.
Basically I like it as is, but with one small change. Can we make the Wis to AC the Domain power instead of gaining it at 6th level. Seems odd to get something like that mid stream. I'm happy to also give up druid armor proficiencies for this. perhaps another +1 ac/5 levels (identical to monk) would be appropriate since I'm giving up a 6th level power and all armor proficiencies.
If you agree to that I might (and I stress Might) debate the merits of moving the 12th level ability to the 6th slot (maybe 9th or 10th), but I don't think it will make much difference either way.
@ Wasp, I'd prefer to be a Druid with monk powers than a monk with Druid powers. it's a flavor thing, plus I detest the idea of having Lawful behavior be a requirement. Espically for a druidic variant. Also this druid is not a monk. His powers are monk-like, but I prefer to think of them as animal instinct instead of monastic training.
TCG - I'll look at it again tomorrow with a clearer head.
TCG - I'll look at it again tomorrow with a clearer head.
No worries. I'm in no rush.
Had a rough day at the office and my son didn't want to go to sleep until two and a half hours past his bedtime ... so will try and get a geezer at the Druidic Monk domain at some point across the weekend.
Hey all, I've just finished moving in with my GF today and we won't have internet for at least a week. Any posts I make will be made from my phone and probably won't be very long. Just letting everyone know in advance.
Just letting you know I'm still here. :-)
Thought has been on my mind - but haven't had sufficient time to go over it.
To give you a start point for the build - how about at 4th Level you have Wis to AC, Unarmed combat progression, 10ft enhancement to speed and fists count as magic. We can resolve the rest later?
Thought has been on my mind - but haven't had sufficient time to go over it.
To give you a start point for the build - how about at 4th Level you have Wis to AC, Unarmed combat progression, 10ft enhancement to speed and fists count as magic. We can resolve the rest later?
Works for me. I'll have to wait until our compliance guy leaves to pullout my iPad and get started. I'll post any questions I have as I see them.
Sorry about that. Worked late Sat, then studied late Sun. Anyone having trouble with notices showing up on the thread in the wishlists?
Cassadar speaks Orc, by the way.
If I don't post by the time you check, feel free to take an action for me.
There's something really unsatisfying about confirming a crit and only adding 2 more damage.
Oh well... such is the life of a dex fighter.
Hey Voice, I just stumbled across your dwarven mine game recruitment thread... very nice concept. If I weren't already spread thin on the boards, I'd throw up a concept.
Just wanted to send along a word of encouragement on that game. I'll probably lurk on it a bit.
Javi - thanks for the kind words.
Apologies for the pace fellows, but I know that Nisk is still in the throes of moving house and getting set back up.
I've officially assumed Bandogrim isn't coming back.
Cassadar - everything ok on your side?
TCG, you still working something up?
TCG, you still working something up?
I am, but this week got suddenly busy. I've got some notes scratched on a sheet of paper, but that's about it. I'll have to wait to finish something early next week. I'm open to any suggestions about builds. Perhaps earlier if I can get my s*+$ together in time. ;-)
Yeah.. such is the life of a Japanese major... Long nights. All's well.
Me'mori - good to know you're still here and alright.
The old dude will wait a bit longer to see if you continue to try and engage with him, or I'll move on and unleash the ???
With Bandogrim gone and running into another interested player in another of my games - we might be getting another guest coming through to here to patch together a character.
Just for clarity - we have Cassadar, Nisk, Torgus and Javi already.
We will be adding TCG's wildshaper and maybe one more to bring it up to potentially six.
Morning (afternoon? evening?) all - Frakdar Stonfist at your service.
And here is the 6th I mentioned earlier :)
Frakdar - responding to your query on introduction, I'd figure that it would be a reasonable time to drop both yourself and TCG into the mix after the guys deal with the big ol' brute that's bearing down on them at the moment.
I'm happy to RP out your friendly reception with Mtumbo if you like - or we can skip it and drop you straight into the action. Really up to your preference.
You can read on through the rest of the game thread as well - there isn't any great truths or spoilers unleashed as of yet.
For simplicity, just drop me in, will try to read the rest of the thread later today.
No problems - I'll drop you and TCG in after they deal with the biggun.
Groovy. I'll have a sheet posted next week.
Hey, welcome, Frakdar!
This is Tiny Coffee Golem.
Here is my character sheet. I've got a few things left to do like pick skills, feats, etc but i wanted to go ahead and post what I have. I'll be working on the rest today and should be done no later than this evening.
This is Tiny Coffee Golem.
Here is my character sheet. I've got a few things left to do like pick skills, feats, etc but i wanted to go ahead and post what I have. I'll be working on the rest today and should be done no later than this evening.
Thoughts? Feedback? Corrections?
DM VoV is usually pretty good at responding - right now they are about to start fighting either an ogre or a giant. We should be inserted in after this. Or I suppose we could post as though we ran into the Mwangi at the front gate and just start that way.
You want feedback from Voice or from those of us in the peanut gallery? :)
You want feedback from Voice or from those of us in the peanut gallery? :)
Any and all is fine
Gorak - have had an insane week, but am hopefully over the hump now. Will get a chance to cast an eye later on today, but will be out of internet range for some time soon after I post this.
Gorak - have had an insane week, but am hopefully over the hump now. Will get a chance to cast an eye later on today, but will be out of internet range for some time soon after I post this.
No worries.
Ok - Frakdar and Gorak, you are due to be 'delivered' to our humble band of brothers shortly.
Frakdar - sheet looks roughly in order.
Gorak - obviously some clean-up to do on the sheet, but nothing that should stop you from getting started at least.
If you can clarify:
1. What is the name of the second trait?
2. Can you confirm the name of your 3rd level feat?
Sounds good - keeping an eye on things as they go. Will look at the character sheet to make sure I like what I have later tonight. (Have learned a lot more about monk skills/feats since I put Frakdar together).
Ok - Frakdar and Gorak, you are due to be 'delivered' to our humble band of brothers shortly.
Frakdar - sheet looks roughly in order.
Gorak - obviously some clean-up to do on the sheet, but nothing that should stop you from getting started at least.
If you can clarify:
1. What is the name of the second trait?
2. Can you confirm the name of your 3rd level feat?
1. Trait is called Beast of the Society.
2. That's supposed to say natural spell. It's a typo.I'll fix them both when i get a chance today.
I can jump in whenever you're ready. I can even have been watching in animal form if you like. Eagle probably. Just give me a quick synopsis and I'll play along.
No rush, just letting you know i'm available.
Gorak and Frakdar - I'll be spinning up an intro post once they have had a chance to react to putting the fire out.
Gorak and Frakdar - I'll be spinning up an intro post once they have had a chance to react to putting the fire out.
Groovy.
Mmmm - I like fire.
Righto Frakdar and Gorak - that's you introduced so you can wake up and say hello when you are able to post.
Essentially you got the same greeting as the others when you arrived to the monastery. Mtumbo (the tattooed Mwangi) beat you to submission after refusing to allow you to pass.
Can you give me a quick synopsis of what's happening? I gather I went to the monestary for training and just passed my initiation (being beaten into submission). Is "student" my purpose here or is there something more I should know?
Synopsis:
Your character is interested in furthering your mastery of unarmed combat.
You heard that Master Gond was opening the doors of his monastery to take on students for the first time in many years.
Trekking to the monastery, you were met by a belligerent Mwangi who
implored you turn away and stopped you physically when you were insistent to press on.
Said Mwangi (Mtumbo) has dragged you to your fellow Applicants.
Essentially you are not yet admitted to the monastery and are staying just outside it's walls in an outbuilding while being visited by teachers who are testing you further to see if you are worthy of becoming an initiate.
So far the intrepid Applicants have been queried by an old man, sparred against an Ulfen teacher, run through an obstacle course and had a conversation with a Harrower.
Some of you are wondering if the current 'attack' is another test, or not?
Synopsis:
Your character is interested in furthering your mastery of unarmed combat.
You heard that Master Gond was opening the doors of his monastery to take on students for the first time in many years.
Trekking to the monastery, you were met by a belligerent Mwangi who
implored you turn away and stopped you physically when you were insistent to press on.
Said Mwangi (Mtumbo) has dragged you to your fellow Applicants.Essentially you are not yet admitted to the monastery and are staying just outside it's walls in an outbuilding while being visited by teachers who are testing you further to see if you are worthy of becoming an initiate.
So far the intrepid Applicants have been queried by an old man, sparred against an Ulfen teacher, run through an obstacle course and had a conversation with a Harrower.
Some of you are wondering if the current 'attack' is another test, or not?
Perfect. Thank you.
This is the first time I've played a druid in pathfinder. ( played in 3.5, but its a different animal now. (Pun intended)
So I'll have some a few questions as we go. Starting with this little gem.
The book has dire bats as large creatures, which is presently beyond my ability. However they have a medium version as an animal companion statted up. Can I turn into the mediium animal companion version?