I am going to work on the appearance write up today. I have a very specific idea of what Breach looks like and what his equipment looks like, too. I, too, love the look of dwarven round shields I have seen in many books and pictures. One of my favorite dwarves to date is the minature which came with the old Hero Quest game from Milton-Bradly. It was a Games Workshop Minature if I remember correctly and this dwarf has been paterned, in part, off of him.
I think I'll go with the glamoured leather thinking about it, that way I never have to buy clothes, I can just make them into alluring silk clothing (something similar to Barbara Eden from I Dream of Jeannie, since I created the character around the basis of heavy armour, am I allowed to swap out the feat Exotic Armour Proficiency?
How do you foresee/desire a potential reunion going? A deadly duel between both generations and the forces of good and evil: "Your not my Mother!", an imperiled family member in need of rescue, or perhaps Father kept a deadly secret all those years? Hmmmmm.
Very good question. I can tell you I do not foresee the encounter ending in combat, although it will likely start off extremely rocky, what with all the years of pent-up rage over parental issues. Imperiled family in need of rescue is pretty good, but Father keeping a deadly secret piques my interest very much.
I can't tell you what that would be off the top of my head (it's a secret, after all), but we have a campaign going during which we should be able to work something out.
Do we want to exchange email addresses or anything, so we can communicate with the GM privately on matters ranging from stealthy actions to secret background information we don't want shared with the party? Or things of that nature?
I am going to work on the appearance write up today. I have a very specific idea of what Breach looks like and what his equipment looks like, too. I, too, love the look of dwarven round shields I have seen in many books and pictures. One of my favorite dwarves to date is the minature which came with the old Hero Quest game from Milton-Bradly. It was a Games Workshop Minature if I remember correctly and this dwarf has been paterned, in part, off of him.
Very cool. If you should ever find a pic of the mini on the net, post us all a link!
I think I'll go with the glamoured leather thinking about it, that way I never have to buy clothes, I can just make them into alluring silk clothing (something similar to Barbara Eden from I Dream of Jeannie, since I created the character around the basis of heavy armour, am I allowed to swap out the feat Exotic Armour Proficiency?
You can definitely do a feat exchange! A few people are still fine-tuning their builds as we get ready to get this turkey rolling.
Do we want to exchange email addresses or anything, so we can communicate with the GM privately on matters ranging from stealthy actions to secret background information we don't want shared with the party? Or things of that nature?
I will create a new account that folks can email me at this weekend and post the address. You may already know this, but you'll want to avoid posting your address on the boards as it can get picked up by spam bots who will send you mail. Maybe just shoot me an email and then I'll have yours.
Not in relation to Flamethrower's post, but in general I'd prefer people post stuff on the boards to whipping private emails back and forth. Sometimes it's the perfect tool and it can add to the drama, but my thinking is the more creative content on the boards the better. It gives players and lurkers a like more reason to check back with Pact Stone which can only enhance our game.
Feat is now changed, and now this character requires no more fine tuning.
PATHFINDER AWAYYYY!!!!!
*swooshes off in superhero fashion*
Spent a couple extra bucks and upgraded shortsword to Mithril Masterwork. Done with tuning.
Hey Beetle did you get an answer on the Subdomain?
I did. The Paizo gods responded, but it's not good news I'm afraid.
Angradd subdomains: archon, ash, smoke, tactics.
No agathion. : (
Now that I think on it, this makes sense actually as the archon subdomain better matches Angradd's alignment, whereas agathion is close but not quite right. Perhaps there's something in the four subdomains above that floats your boat.
Alright, my wonderful companions. Because I’m obsessive when starting a new game, and I have way, way too much time on my hands, I’ve completed my analysis of your character sheets. In each of your cases, I may or may not have uncovered something of interest. My rules law is by no means perfect, of course, so feel free to correct me if my math is wrong or I forgot a feat you took or something. I drew the line at itemizing your equipment, though. Most of these are cosmetic changes for clarity. I will also include a little bit of commentary on your characters as I see fit, or very minor tweak suggestions where it seems appropriate. This will be a long post, but, I hope, constructive. Thank god for spoiler tags.
Is your shield a heavy shield? I assume so, but it’s good to be clear. Birthmark can be your holy symbol. That’s kinda awesome. You have a lot of hit points. Congratulations on your promotion to auxiliary tank, if Breach, Hurgah, or I should fall. Kinda makes you want to keep us standing, doesn’t it? Finally, for your spell selection, has poison killed a lot of your characters? They are certainly very good spells, but I never think to prepare Neutralize or Delay Poison.
Oh, yeah. You didn't list any traits. Surely a couple of them might pique your interest?
I’ll be very interested to see a protean sorcerer in action, and it looks like you have a lot of tricks up your sleeve.
I admire you immensely for that Stealth score. An easy way to improve it: invest in a masterwork mithral breastplate. Mithral will eliminate the armor check penalty outright, and you even get a higher AC in the bargain. That may be more expensive than you want to manage right now (4400 gp), but it’s something to keep in mind.
It’s always good to have a wizard in the party. I’m quite partial to conjurers, myself. Daivrat seems neat. May you always call the right thing, and not have it be pissed off at you. Good luck!
Great flavor, and it looks like you’ve built an effective shield-fighter. I can’t wait for you to sneak attack somebody with a spiked shield.
You get Druidic and Elven for free, so you’re entitled to another language for a high Intelligence score. Osirion, perhaps? Don’t forget to remove the armor check penalty you no longer have to your physical skills. Your Sense Motive would appear to add up to 9, while your Intimidate looks like it should be 10.
I can’t wait to see how this character turns out – should be extremely useful for the social game. Stay far away from the front lines. Though she doesn’t need me to tell her that!
Always good to have a bard in the party, and it looks like you got some nice whip tricks going on. Do us a favor and make those knowledge checks!
Your character is particularly interesting to me, because I was ready to propose something similar for this game before I saw your audition. You did a lot better than I think I would have come up with, so I’m glad I changed my concept. Not too much, I suppose, because I’m still a barbarian, but I think we will work well together.
Let me know what I did wrong! :)
Thank you for pointing that out, didn't notice that one, definitely going with Dex for range touch attacks.
And about the front line, a well placed fireball solves all problems.
Hurgah the Reaver:
I see a couple of problems with your damage. I think your bite attack only does 1.5 x your STR modifier damage if it is your only natural attack, which is not the case. As is, dealing full STR damage on all three natural attacks is pretty good. Also, the Lesser Spirit Totem only does a d4+CHA. Don’t worry; you’re still outpacing me by a lot. :)
The bite is from Dragon Disciple, and the entry specifically states 1.5 x str dmg. So that should be correct.
Dragon Bite (Ex)
At 2nd level, whenever the dragon disciple uses his bloodline to grow claws, he also gains a bite attack. This is a primary natural attack that deals 1d6 points of damage (1d4 if the dragon disciple is Small), plus 1–1/2 times the dragon disciple’s Strength modifier. Upon reaching 6th level, this bite also deals 1d6 points of energy damage. The type of damage dealt is determined by the dragon disciple's bloodline.
The Spirit Attack should indeed be only 1d4+3, nice catch. I blame HeroLab.
And about the front line, a well placed fireball solves all problems.
Hurgah has fire resistance, so by all means, blast away. He'll be sure to munch on any survivors.
Thanks for the review, Karek/flamethrower49! More goodies for me!
Do us a favor and make those knowledge checks!
I will certainly try, dice roller willing (it hasn't been very nice to me of late; perhaps I need to try new sacrifices...).
Now that I have adjusted the numbers based on flamethrower's feedback, I'd like to share with you all what a full attack from a buffed and raging Hurgah the Reaver looks like:
Piss this guy off at your own risk. :-D
Alright, my wonderful companions. Because I’m obsessive when starting a new game, and I have way, way too much time on my hands, I’ve completed my analysis of your character sheets.
Thanks for looking with a critical eye. It is always helpful when dealing with such a complex system (I favor more rules-light Castles & Crusades).
I corrected the mistake re: Perception. I don't see how you are coming up with me having only spent 19 points on my stats. My breakdown:Str: 0
Dex: 3
Con: 1
Int: 10
Wis: 1
Cha: 5
I did indeed add spells to his book with the additional favored class points. I will replace the "ray of enfeeblement" with a non-necro spell, since the "cost" to cast it is not worth it. Thanks.
The bite is from Dragon Disciple, and the entry specifically states 1.5 x str dmg. So that should be correct.
Dragon Bite (Ex)
At 2nd level, whenever the dragon disciple uses his bloodline to grow claws, he also gains a bite attack. This is a primary natural attack that deals 1d6 points of damage (1d4 if the dragon disciple is Small), plus 1–1/2 times the dragon disciple’s Strength modifier. Upon reaching 6th level, this bite also deals 1d6 points of energy damage. The type of damage dealt is determined by the dragon disciple's bloodline.
So it does. That's a great ability for a melee sorceror - but rather uninspiring if you're not!
Those first couple of attacks look like they missed, by the way. Don't make a habit of it!
I corrected the mistake re: Perception. I don't see how you are coming up with me having only spent 19 points on my stats. My breakdown:
Str: 0
Dex: 3
Con: 1
Int: 10
Wis: 1
Cha: 5
The way I looked at stats for everyone was assuming that you put any variable racial bonuses and level bumps into your highest stat. So for you, this works out to the following:
Str: 10 (0 points)
Dex: 14 (5 points) (later enhanced by belt)
Con: 11 (1 point)
Int: 15 (7 points) (+2 Human racial bonus, +1 level bump)
Wis: 11 (1 point)
Cha: 14 (5 points)
These add up to nineteen. If you prefer the flavor of starting with a 16 Int and increasing your Dexterity with your level bump (which it looks like you did), that's fine, of course. I'm just here to let you know there could be another stat point in it for you.
Alright, my wonderful companions. Because I’m obsessive when starting a new game, and I have way, way too much time on my hands, I’ve completed my analysis of your character sheets. In each of your cases, I may or may not have uncovered something of interest. My rules law is by no means perfect, of course, so feel free to correct me if my math is wrong or I forgot a feat you took or something. I drew the line at itemizing your equipment, though. Most of these are cosmetic changes for clarity. I will also include a little bit of commentary on your characters as I see fit, or very minor tweak suggestions where it seems appropriate. This will be a long post, but, I hope, constructive. Thank god for spoiler tags.
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** spoiler omitted **...
Thanks flamethrower49! That's what you get for copy/paste. :)
I think my CMD should be 15 with the Ring of Prot. +1 though.
I think the Ring of Protection only adds to AC, not anything else.
Thanks for your input Flamethrower. Have updated my character sheet to reflect your changes. I'm coming into this system almost completely unfamiliar with it, having essentially not played any D&D since second edition.
I didn't catch the bit about using Birthmark as a holy symbol. I guess I should decide what and where it is then.
I tried to get my hitpoints high to counteract my clumsiness. Ready and willing to stand in and take blows for the team. Unless I run away in terror first.
As for my neutralize poison spell, I wouldn't say that "poison has killed a lot of my characters", I would rather say "When I have had neutralize poison memorized, poison has killed none of my characters."
I have also gamed with this particular GM in the past, and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if half of our characters are slowly dying from a poison already! In seriousness, desert adventure with a pyramid to explore, poison seemed likely when I picked the spells. If Donkor accepts the mission, he will probably select something different for travelling and espionage.
I didn't catch the bit about using Birthmark as a holy symbol. I guess I should decide what and where it is then.
The trait description implies that it looks like Pharasma's holy symbol, whatever that is. Essentially, this lets you cast your spells without having your holy symbol handy. Unless we get into a really odd situation, you should have your holy symbol available to you. But if you don't, you'll be fine.
As for my neutralize poison spell, I wouldn't say that "poison has killed a lot of my characters", I would rather say "When I have had neutralize poison memorized, poison has killed none of my characters."
I have also gamed with this particular GM in the past, and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if half of our characters are slowly dying from a poison already! In seriousness, desert adventure with a pyramid to explore, poison seemed likely when I picked the spells. If Donkor accepts the mission, he will probably select something different for travelling and espionage.
I'm definitely not casting any aspersions on the spell. It's amazing when poison comes up, which isn't uncommon. (Desert espionage sure makes it sound useful!) Looking at your spell list and seeing a bunch of anti-poison spells just makes me wonder if you've been poisoned to death in the past. :)
The way I looked at stats for everyone was assuming that you put any variable racial bonuses and level bumps into your highest stat. So for you, this works out to the following:
Str: 10 (0 points)
Dex: 14 (5 points) (later enhanced by belt)
Con: 11 (1 point)
Int: 15 (7 points) (+2 Human racial bonus, +1 level bump)
Wis: 11 (1 point)
Cha: 14 (5 points)These add up to nineteen. If you prefer the flavor of starting with a 16 Int and increasing your Dexterity with your level bump (which it looks like you did), that's fine, of course. I'm just here to let you know there could be another stat point in it for you.
Ohhh, I see now what you are getting at. Starting a character at 7th level allows for some "retrospective planning". I'll take your build advice and go with an extra point in Wisdom. I'm used to rolling for my stats (yes, I'm an old fart who cut his teeth on ye ol' White Box D&D back in the day before all this modern hoo-haw)
Would it be fun/cool/useful to name my Pathfinder contact? I was thinking of writing a story about the guy I was supposed to have saved to flesh Karek out a bit more. This would be the guy who pointed me to Osirion and recommended me for this job.
Does Hoffenburrow strike anyone as the kind of guy who travels around alone and finds himself in a lot of trouble? Because I think using him again would be kinda fun.
OK I now have an email account set up for the game.
pactstone
(then the @ symbol followed by)
gmail.com
Feel free to email me guys. It's possible I won't be in the habit of checking this new account, especially if people don't use it often, so don't be shy about pinging me on the board to check it.
Would it be fun/cool/useful to name my Pathfinder contact? I was thinking of writing a story about the guy I was supposed to have saved to flesh Karek out a bit more. This would be the guy who pointed me to Osirion and recommended me for this job.
Does Hoffenburrow strike anyone as the kind of guy who travels around alone and finds himself in a lot of trouble? Because I think using him again would be kinda fun.
Up to you Flamethrower! I'd be happy to design a new Pathfinder who recommended you to Krenshar. (Or you can do so and I'll roll with it.) We already used Hoffenburrow for Hurgah, but it is possible he has worked with both of you.
Hoffenburrow is fast becoming a male damsel in distress, poor guy.
If you want to give me a name, I'll write the story. Or, if you want, I'll write the story, and put a name in it. Whatever you like!
Love to read the tale Flamethrower.
Some Pathfinder NPCs I have on tap:
Any of these could have worked with Professor Hoffenburrow once or twice.
@MoFiddy: Just wanted to let you know that it looks like deflection does count toward your CMD. At least, I think that's how it reads.
Let me know if I'm reading it wrong, Flamethrower.(Heck, or anyone else for that matter.) I tend to read things wrong A LOT! :)
Miscellaneous Modifiers
A creature can also add any circumstance, deflection, dodge, insight, luck, morale, profane, and sacred bonuses to AC to its CMD. Any penalties to a creature's AC also apply to its CMD. A flat-footed creature does not add its Dexterity bonus to its CMD.
*Source: d20psfrd
@MoFiddy: Just wanted to let you know that it looks like deflection does count toward your CMD. At least, I think that's how it reads.
Let me know if I'm reading it wrong, Flamethrower.(Heck, or anyone else for that matter.) I tend to read things wrong A LOT! :)
Miscellaneous Modifiers
A creature can also add any circumstance, deflection, dodge, insight, luck, morale, profane, and sacred bonuses to AC to its CMD. Any penalties to a creature's AC also apply to its CMD. A flat-footed creature does not add its Dexterity bonus to its CMD.
*Source: d20psfrd
Good to know! Thank you very much! I'll have to make similar adjustments to my own character. (See, everybody learns something new!)
No problem!
I try to help when I can. I'm real wary of it though, as I tend to be wrong far more than right. It amazes me how you can miss one word, (ONE WORD!), and the whole sentence, paragraph, whatever, takes on a whole new meaning. :)
Seeing as the party has been together for almost an hour in-game. . .
Now accepting nominations for the party name!
I dig it when groups of PCs are known as something other than the “the party”
It may be premature, but I figure by the time you guys agree on something your band will have been together a while.
So for now, feel free to toss up ideas in this thread. Maybe we’ll get something to stick. Maybe an event will occur and something will cement.
And the next obvious: 'The Fellowship of the Stone'.
"Hurgah's walking lunch"?
Just kidding...I very rarely eat fellow party members..especially dwarfs.
We may look pretty but we are not very tasty.....
And the next obvious: 'The Fellowship of the Stone'.
When will you guys believe me? This adventure has nothing to do with a Pact Stone. I assure you, it's just a title!
"Raiders of the Lost Stone?"
"Hurgah's walking lunch"?
Just kidding...I very rarely eat fellow party members..especially dwarfs.
By "rarely" he means there is very little cooking involved.
"Burp..."
Hmmmmm. Maybe we should let the topic of the party name marinate for a bit. . .
Agreed. If we think about it, we'll find something that's gouda.
Just as long as we don't meet any NPCs names Sir. Loin, I'm going to be fine...
On another note, I added the +3 bonus for the Circlet of Persuasion to my Wild Empathy check, not sure if I can, but the ability description says it functions like a diplomacy check, just with animals, so if I am wrong, just subtract 3 from the total score.
Can I nominate "Thalia and Others" as a party name?
Jokes aside real nomination for Sand Walkers for now.
Hows bout "The Potentate's Pals".
Kind of Scooby Dooish, eh.
On another note, I added the +3 bonus for the Circlet of Persuasion to my Wild Empathy check, not sure if I can, but the ability description says it functions like a diplomacy check, just with animals, so if I am wrong, just subtract 3 from the total score.
You are not wrong - that's how it works. That circlet is one handy device.
(Interestingly, in 3.5 interpreted RAW it adds to your cleric's turning rolls)
Pharasma's Phantastic and Phatalistic but Soon to be Phatalaties Phearsome Phoursome plus Phive. Or the Octa-Pee's for short.
Alternately, The Sand Pact.